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(DIR) Post #APgUDM5jtJjtT5Mmrg by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2022-11-17T05:01:12.889924Z
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@marcan "no politics" is always a red flag.Like either it's "You don't speak about community problems, ever, specially slightly controversial ones" or it's this kind of "Any behavior is welcome, including destructive ones".It's missing that destruction is easier to do than creation and care/maintenance.
(DIR) Post #APgoYvFmLxwVgYckFs by sima@chaos.social
2022-11-17T08:10:44Z
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@marcan I think it's simpler if you look at politics as the art of getting people with possibly big differences to work together in a project or a society or country or the world. more people means more politics, but it's never zero when your past the tribal cohesion limit"no politics" is just "my politics" since that's the only way to avoid talking about the implied politics. which means "people like me, and not people unlike me" which simply is fascismthere is no quiet part here
(DIR) Post #APgplDTWWzk3d0Tl9U by fristi@akkos.fritu.re
2022-11-17T09:03:08.448018Z
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@marcan ugh :akko_eeew: I get what this guy is trying to say, but he's saying it about as wrong as you could possibly say it. Yes, programming projects should focus on the project at hand. Contributors should be selected based on experience and skill that they bring to the project. Everyone who meets that criteria should be welcome, regardless of things like race, ideology, religion, physical and mental state, etc. However, that does not mean racial issues, ideology, religion, politics and whatnot should be brought into the project. As a contributor, you leave your "opinionated baggage" at the doorstep. You do not take it inside with you. You will respect your fellow contributors, or you will be kicked out for breaking the house rules and compromising the project. Be excellent to each other, and party on.That is more or less what this guy is trying to say too, but god does he put it like he just wants his shit to be overrun with toxic shit contributors that don't respect people. Yes you should care about bigots, discriminators, racists and the likes. These people often have trouble leaving their baggage out of the project. These people will often not play together well with the others. They will be a hindrance to the project, and should be ejected on the first sign of trouble. Some would say that is "anti-freespeech" or "anti-rightwing" or whatnot, but it's not. It's just being "anti-dickhead". Behave yourself of fuck off. Free speech doesn't mean "freedom to act like a knobhead".
(DIR) Post #APgqETzqBVRJGXYBN2 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2022-11-17T09:08:01.580250Z
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@ariadne @marcan Problem that Pleroma got into almost a year ago now is more a mess that got there because of people basically acting rogue and a massive lack of taking responsibilities.It's not much politics, it's the even more basic thing that makes you go like "What the fuck are you doing? What is wrong with you?"
(DIR) Post #APgrDr66uSJqZqkPuS by fristi@akkos.fritu.re
2022-11-17T09:19:31.139255Z
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@marcan in that case, fuck him, he's a knob. If the project is really that infested with nazi-influence, it's in danger and someone should fork it.
(DIR) Post #APgrL7CjQIzuYhJ3ho by lamp@mastodong.lol
2022-11-17T09:20:42Z
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@marcan i remember years ago in school there was some class related to politics and first day right off the bat the teacher was already arguing with a student how they "not having a political opinion" is itself a political opinion, lol
(DIR) Post #APgsD1qJZcPzZFWrOC by fristi@akkos.fritu.re
2022-11-17T09:30:33.794164Z
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@desea @marcan it's not so much specifically nazi, it's really any kind of strong political influence. When you have some project that's completely overrun with some extreme left bias, it's just as bad. And personally, I don't think such biases have any place in a software project. Software, especially something as down-to-the-core as a programming language that will be used by many, needs to be neutral, and for everyone.
(DIR) Post #APgtAVzN8P0a9K8AWu by gim@lou.lt
2022-11-17T09:36:42Z
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@ariadne @lanodan @marcan @larsiviAll of this is saddening to hear.I was part D community around 2007-2010, and tbh, I don't remember such dumb takes from back than.That community organically grew around D 1.0.I quit and so did many other ppl. I believe many did, because they weren't heard.To build successful community, you can't just focus on tech and ignore/forget about ppl.I don't think D will ever be successful.D was started ~2001, Rust ~2010. Rust is in much better place.
(DIR) Post #APh38JjUjLsH6HILi4 by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2022-11-17T11:32:57.341958Z
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@marcan I don’t think they understand “politics” is a broader field than “screaming controversial slogans” and “voting for a party”, which is a problem because in reality politics include the broad field of social philosophy, which encompasses ALL SOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS, because We Live In A Society™®©. Which means that, as soon as you have groups, you have the politics of how such a group should be governed like – and because “ no politics” is a wrong premise understood as “no speech promoting controversial slogans”, all it will do is make it more likely to favor speech and behavior that isn’t detected by oneself as controversial.Until you find out the ugly reality that the consequences are controversial… to say the least.
(DIR) Post #APh3ExRK0w8nzDxeaG by brainwane@social.coop
2022-11-17T11:14:39Z
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@marcan Thank you for the context; I absolutely read the first post in this thread as saying that the screenshot was a quote from the person you named.
(DIR) Post #APh3N1WEjPACxG6df6 by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2022-11-17T11:35:37.214669Z
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@marcan (also by “they” I mean Walter & co with as much as I know and not whoever are actual nazis here ofc)
(DIR) Post #APhFCIw2pw7vEcphEe by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2022-11-17T13:48:08.328054Z
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The reason those terms are in "quotes" it to emphasize that the people often classified as those term are not actually the labels ascribed onto them. The fact that you have this attitude shows you don't "get it"
(DIR) Post #APhFI4jgXgxQvxnsfo by Bunny@comfyboy.club
2022-11-17T13:49:12.770569Z
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@marcan Yes.
(DIR) Post #APhIFbCpf8sgdEwolc by lonelyowl@mastodon.ml
2022-11-17T14:22:20Z
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@marcan Accepting people with different views is ok, but it's necessary to remove especially nut ones, otherwise community will fall into infinity holywar about jews, genders, nazis and whatever else but not programming. Idk what is that DLang, but seems like it just a thing that will happen with it soon.
(DIR) Post #APhP2WJZEjeJNNoBw8 by victor@crucible.world
2022-11-17T15:38:25.787379Z
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@marcan > a bunch of nazis and bigots taking over your communityI am not a Nazi, though you would probably call me a bigot.There is a reason the behavior you call "hate" is on the rise.A very large part of it has to do with men claiming to be women (often involving deeply mutilating surgery and ingestion of toxic amounts of hormones in a vain attempt to switch).This phenomenon has increased in programming communities to the point where sane people are no longer keeping silent and playing along with the delusions of the mentally ill.Until you realize this, you will continue to be confused about why there are so many "Nazis and bigots" everywhere.Every action has an equal, opposite reaction. The action was transvestite degeneracy encroaching on and eroding polite society, and you are now seeing the reaction.You will dismiss everything I have said here as "bigoted," because your media-addled brain has been rotted to the point where you can no longer process any hint of opposition to the ill-formed views that have been programmed into you.
(DIR) Post #APhR5Xv5vNr38EvrFo by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2022-11-17T16:01:23.674794Z
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Can you entertain an idea you don’t agree with so we can have a “conversation” instead of acting so smug? Your response shows a terrible attitude; an unwillingness to listen to anyone outside your sphere.The quotes are literally the embodiment of labeling theory, with is a concept straight from left-leaning psychology academics. If you label someone as “a racist” and they know they’re not “a racist” .. well if they’re going to call you a “racist” anyway, why even bother trying to fight it?Let me ask you a question: Is someone a Nazi if they voted for Donald J Trump? Think very carefully before you answer.
(DIR) Post #APhRmoZDuFYFDMKm9o by amanda@tut.amanda.systems
2022-11-17T07:49:11.267479Z
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@marcan @yuvipanda when you can’t compete on merits I guess you have to find your niche in some other way and they found the Nazi niche 🤷🏼♀️
(DIR) Post #APhRmp4Q2GVMm6vgmW by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2022-11-17T16:09:11.241950Z
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@amanda This must be why DEI beneficiaries really want those programs@yuvipanda
(DIR) Post #APhSO1sTNgjDD85DxA by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2022-11-17T16:15:54.369772Z
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> the paradox of toleranceA philosophy that literally advocates for intolerance as a form of tolerance; Orwellian DoubleThink. It is the justification of the pro-authoritarian for authoritarianism so long as it a view point one agrees with.> "First they came for the trade unionists..."If you embrace such insane ideology, you will eventually be enslaved by it.
(DIR) Post #APhThVHyM3LDstrPSC by maxmustermann@shitposter.club
2022-11-17T16:30:41.264257Z
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@marcan > Implying neonazis automatically make a Git repository about their extremely gay politics.
(DIR) Post #APhTnYCcR0sSetEvfk by maxmustermann@shitposter.club
2022-11-17T16:31:45.040691Z
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@marcan UNDER THIS ROCK; A NAZI!
(DIR) Post #APhVX0RsMZWdFPcBN2 by larsivi@snabelen.no
2022-11-17T09:52:06Z
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@gim @ariadne @lanodan @marcan Sad and weird. I started with D back in 2003, and honestly I loved it. By 2005/6 there were issues, mostly about technical stuff not being heard so we started Tango, and I co-wrote Learn to Tango with D. I tried to lead the Tango community with love (and also mod D IRC channel). Not obvious issues of this type back then, but it was also not such an obvious topic in the world around us (and I was probably quite blind to some of it).
(DIR) Post #APhVX2MHGMEfAd0jvE by larsivi@snabelen.no
2022-11-17T09:56:07Z
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@gim @ariadne @lanodan @marcan I remember people having opinions (american right wing/christian stuff) that I had trouble with, but it rarely leaked out in the public channels. And I won't say there wasn't misogyny, because there were really few women in the community. So I guess I'm not really surprised either, but I've seen plenty other community leader take a clear stand, and I guess this is one in the other direction.
(DIR) Post #APhVbxtTI10sltt3VQ by gim@lou.lt
2022-11-17T10:18:38Z
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@larsivi @ariadne @lanodan @marcan ftr, I was referring to Walter, who simply focused on D2.0 and simply left D1.0 community behind.IMO building a language just for the sake of it is pretty futile task and quickly puts you on a shelf with esoteric languages.
(DIR) Post #APhVdL9iHtVjCt8j7g by maxmustermann@shitposter.club
2022-11-17T16:52:17.489392Z
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@marcan c) I was attacked by people who hate normal people and seem to want to fucking kill me. Every a new group upsets them they are posting that goony shit on the internet and whenever I find it, I realize they mean well adjusted people by that. I want a) to be crammed down your very throat thanks to c) and b). Leave your gay politics and troll behavior outside of repository.
(DIR) Post #APhW55E76Z1ZucQWmG by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2022-11-17T16:57:18.825215Z
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I have no idea if they’re a Nazi, but they are most definitely part of the problem, whether they realize it or not. A lot of them are too brainwashedHave you ever watched documentaries such as The Case Against the President, 2000 Mules or Hoaxed? You do realize you are also susceptible to propaganda? You are not an all knowing god that has the absolutely truth. If you literally don’t listen to the other side; if you don’t read and listen to their arguments, how can you be so sure in your stance?There are 75 million people who legitimately voted for Donald Trump, over 38% of the adult population of the country? Really, they’re all part of the problem? They’re all brainwashed? How do you know you are not the one that is brainwashed. You sound brainwashed to all of them.I you can’t understand that side of the argument, or even entertain it, aren’t you are part of the problem by your own argument?transphobiaI never understood this term. Few people are afraid of trans people. You do realize there are trans people on fedi who are libertarians and for freeze peach? There’s an entire instance called freethinkers.lgbt run by a Canadian trans-woman. There are transwomen like Blaire White who is against giving hormones and pushing trans on children?elective procedures accepted by the medical community as best practice “mutilation”?You do realize that the medical community is driven by money, right? Did you see the video from Vanderbilt where administrators talked about how much money they would make from trans drugs and surgeries? Have you seen Matt Walsh’s documentary What Is a Woman?, specifically the interview of the FtM who has had countless complications from all of her/his surgeries? How there is literally no support at all now that she no longer agrees with the transition? Have you seen or read any of the countless stories of young men or women who go through the transition process, only to regret it and no longer get any affirmation, support? Some treatments were covered fully by the State or non-profits, but when the transitioners had complications or regrets and wanted to go back, all these organizations and doctors stopped answering their calls.Or how about the fact that all the people who de-transition get banned from Reddit, have their videos removed from YouTube and their accounts suspended or banned on Twitter?claiming trans people aren’t realI have no problem with a person believing they are a woman or a man, any more than I have issues with believing in Jesus or Mohamed or Chevera or that Former Vice President Biden is mentally fit for office. People believe a whole lot of different myths.But people who don’t agree with someone on religious values are not evil or hateful. They literally have a different religious belief. How is transgenderism not a religious belief?At least in America, I may not agree with what you say or believe, but I absolutely defend your right to say and/or believe it.
(DIR) Post #APhWItBueJssdfyrBo by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2022-11-17T05:33:26Z
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@lanodan @marcan There's IMHO a wide gap between "no politics" and "Nazis welcome". It's just that some people hide one behind the other.
(DIR) Post #APhWItn8PvesV7OaCu by gothnbass@linuxrocks.online
2022-11-17T11:08:16Z
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@jens @lanodan @marcan The only practical difference between "Nazis welcome" and "no politics" is "yay, all my Nazi buddies are here!" vs "whoops, how did this turn into a cesspit of Nazism?"How does the latter happen? Karl Popper summed it up in his Paradox of Tolerance.
(DIR) Post #APhWIuf1BalBCEbcC8 by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2022-11-17T11:39:13Z
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@gothnbass @lanodan @marcan Oh, sure.But we (?) here also want content warnings on politics, because you need off spaces, too.Just saying "no politics please" can just be that thing.
(DIR) Post #APhWIv85RW0oeOCpVI by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2022-11-17T16:59:20.827394Z
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@jens @gothnbass @marcan That's one side of the fediverse (mostly mastodon) and I take it as mostly "CW your stuff about official politics" and I can quite understand that, because of the hateful bile from politicians and newspapers.
(DIR) Post #APhWU0Y3dTzQdsdlrc by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2022-11-17T17:01:50.446247Z
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you might want to study these concepts and especially the historical context of that poem some more before weighing in on thisI have done a lot of research on the topic of ostracism and witch burning. I have written an entire article on the subject with full sources, and that particular article was censored from LinkedIn.Your response assumes some type of ignorance on my part, which is not an argument. You literally didn’t address what I said; you went immediately to attacking me for not being learned enough in this topic.Have you considered that maybe there is a rod in your eye and you’re trying to remove the spec from my eye?
(DIR) Post #APhWZxt4RV3G7uJGLY by fristi@akkos.fritu.re
2022-11-17T17:02:55.427706Z
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@djsumdog @desea @marcan I'm muting this thread
(DIR) Post #APhYMRjKtFPmXMRDBw by book@sleepy.cafe
2022-11-17T17:21:06.629470Z
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UOOOOOOOOH! CHILD EROTIC! 😭😭😭😭
(DIR) Post #APhYVsHvWA5RVl75Bg by book@sleepy.cafe
2022-11-17T17:20:25.784817Z
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UOOOOOOOOH! CHILD EROTIC! 😭😭😭😭
(DIR) Post #APhYYxi5obVRCDpAzQ by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2022-11-17T17:25:03.076691Z
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I'm fine with honest debate. But since you don't know how to do that, only insult me, claim I'm a bad actor and then leave with your tail between your legs, then that's on you. Let it be known, you'd rather run away as a coward because you literally have zero argument.
(DIR) Post #APhokxp8ohogI3rlAG by book@sleepy.cafe
2022-11-17T17:06:48.160658Z
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UOOOOOOOOH! CHILD EROTIC! 😭😭😭😭
(DIR) Post #APhokyPIeGjw6CmdWa by gothnbass@linuxrocks.online
2022-11-17T17:09:01Z
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@book @lanodan @jens @marcan That's one way of paraphrasing it.I'm also very fond of "tolerance is a peace treaty, not a moral precept."That phrasing is a good way of shutting down people prone to yelling "so much for the tolerant left!"
(DIR) Post #APhuu2p4CTVU7oXonY by mathew@mastodon.social
2022-11-17T21:31:10Z
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@marcan I'm reminded of a joke:It's 1941, and two elderly Jewish men are standing in line at the railway station, waiting to be loaded onto the train. One turns to the other and says:"Do you know which death camp they're sending us to? Auschwitz-Birkenau or Treblinka?"The other turns to him and says "I'm sorry, I'm afraid I'm not interested in politics."
(DIR) Post #APmN0ztD4wGyP6QSXY by Bobo_PK@chaos.social
2022-11-17T10:08:29Z
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@jens @lanodan @marcan There is no apolitical way of life! If you let Nazis into your spaces everyone else will be threatened. Everything you do is political. How you speak, write or what you consume is political. There was nice sticker saying "If you are apolitical you are political without noticing it". :antifa:
(DIR) Post #APmN12at1WOkn8sMtc by Spatz@mastodonapp.uk
2022-11-17T12:45:16Z
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@Bobo_PK @jens @lanodan @marcan 100% true. Politics is in everything we do. Even where we shop is political. Are we OK with #childlabour? Do we want to see #sustainablefashion or are we OK with a #disposablesociety? At bare minimum, are we OK with this business supporting that political party/cause? #LifeIsPolitical all we can do is ignore it or accept it.
(DIR) Post #APmN13Eadu9omHS4mW by for4four@hachyderm.io
2022-11-20T00:58:07Z
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@Spatz @Bobo_PK @jens @lanodan @marcan There is a logical error in your "either/or" dichotomy. We also can BLOCK people who think everything is political. They are obviously mentally distressed neurotics. Should I eat this bread? Use this piece of code? Ride in this Uber? Take this Metro? Visit this website? Oh God, there are Nazis under my bed.!Solving a computer problem is hard enough without assuming your computer language somehow has political opinions. That's crazy.
(DIR) Post #APmN13vq36kgwPgcC0 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2022-11-20T01:08:45.938829Z
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@for4four @Spatz @Bobo_PK @jens @marcan A programming language isn't a screwdriver though, it's a part of an ecosystem that's maintained by a community. For example a programming language without community libraries is borderline useless.And programming languages implementations still need to be maintained, even just for things like keeping up with new hardware and new standards.> Ride in this Uber?Several people avoid or full on boycott Uber for a lot of political reasons, one of those being the disregard of employment laws, another being anti-competitive.
(DIR) Post #APnvoCYCNuv5SdBxFQ by Spatz@mastodonapp.uk
2022-11-20T04:44:03Z
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@lanodan @Bobo_PK @for4four @jens @marcan Thank you for saying that. I tried to reply to @for4four but he does seem to have blocked me. I am actually quite glad of the fact after that aggressive post as well.
(DIR) Post #APo7Sd0uVvJwc76KPY by coyote@pl.lain.sh
2022-11-20T21:24:18.041408Z
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@marcan you couldn't project harder if you were an actual projector
(DIR) Post #APo7vj9Slw4E32ydCS by coyote@pl.lain.sh
2022-11-20T21:29:31.980901Z
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@marcan @djsumdog You're mad the maintainer won't bow to your in group's whims with regards to what I see as an vain demand for a hypocritical purity of thought that you don't actually hold yourselves.
(DIR) Post #APo82VsgVhnSuvMfzs by coyote@pl.lain.sh
2022-11-20T21:30:48.852898Z
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@marcan @djsumdog the funny thing is you're leaving because of djsumdog, but they're a kind and respectful debater, and has a lot of tolerance, more than most I think. They're not even disrespecful here and you just can't handle it man.
(DIR) Post #APo8FhuP6RDHz8SbFA by moth@husk.site
2022-11-20T21:33:19.743501Z
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@coyote @djsumdog @marcan Sumdog one of the most chill guys on fedi, the man is genuinely wonderful.
(DIR) Post #APoAdYLGWUydAlWTfk by coyote@pl.lain.sh
2022-11-20T21:59:53.545641Z
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@moth @djsumdog @marcan That's why I don't wanna shit up threads like I did, so people like sumdog can do the honest debating that I literally cannot stand anymore... like, this guy had zero argument, then just left at the slightest pushback?
(DIR) Post #APsxDMAen1llCoMszo by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2022-11-17T13:09:13Z
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@marcan @gothnbass @lanodan @Bobo_PKActually, no, there isn't.A community is what we communicate and how. If people want to opt out of politics discussions, they'll ignore politics CWs. If CWs existed elsewhere, that'd be an option for them. Since that option does not exist, it's down to policy: do we allow politics discussion or not.I'm not at all in favour of "no politics". But I do understand that it can be a safe space measure (like CWs) as much as it can be an invitation to nazis.
(DIR) Post #APsxDMdN4Gjodrnoki by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2022-11-17T13:11:37Z
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@marcan @gothnbass @lanodan @Bobo_PK For example... for a long time, I was moderating a "vegan and animal rights" forum. It was billed as a safe space, which 99% of the time meant a safe space from people who oppose veganism and/or animal rights, and just want to dump on people who think that those are maybe good ideas.It was easy to exclude those people. They usually announced themselves loudly, and were kicked out. No problem.The far more insidious situation was when folks adjacent to...
(DIR) Post #APsxDN65LVhs4vEkVc by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2022-11-17T13:13:31Z
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@marcan @gothnbass @lanodan @Bobo_PK ... the animal liberation front came into the place, and started ranting at everyone how nobody in that place was doing enough for "the cause" (which they always identified as their own definition thereof, of course).I usually ended up kicking them out as well. Far more kindly, with a couple of chances given (TL;DR).The point is, the place was a *safe space*, and nobody feels safe if they're being shouted at. Doesn't matter if the person shouting is...
(DIR) Post #APsxDNhf5nlRxSol4y by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2022-11-17T13:16:07Z
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@marcan @gothnbass @lanodan @Bobo_PK ... ostensibly on the same side.So I have very direct and long-term experience with some form of this. Nobody in the group was of the "no politics" persuasion, but the group consensus was that the safe space mattered above politics (safe spaces *are* political, too).The end result is, though, that we enforced a "no extreme politics" policy, if you'd like, for the sake of the safe space.That's Popper in action, too, FWIW. Intolerance can come from...
(DIR) Post #APsxDOGP0dYNhD4VEG by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2022-11-17T13:18:23Z
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@marcan @gothnbass @lanodan @Bobo_PK ... all sides.Which is why I think it's very important to distinguish between the CW/safe space kind of no politics - which exists in a lot of places - and the "actumally we're just OK with nazis" kind of no politics.The experience has also taught me that while I think "no politics" policies don't really work, the "no extreme politics" type of policy is essential for community health. Because there's always someone who is holier than thou.
(DIR) Post #APsxDOfvTjyCyN0t0q by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-23T05:23:05Z
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As others have noted in their replies, the word "politics" is really failing us here. We need to distinguish between three related but different things that all get called "politics";1) Inalienable human rights. Respect for these must be compulsory in any community2) Governance issues, or "internal politics", these are unavoidable in any project with more than one participant(1/2)@jens@marcan @gothnbass @lanodan @Bobo_PK
(DIR) Post #APsxGRWvJy4MhBFrii by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-23T05:23:43Z
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As others have noted in their replies, the word "politics" is really failing us here. We need to distinguish between three related but different things that all get called "politics";1) Inalienable human rights. Respect for these must be compulsory in any community2) Governance issues, or "internal politics", these are unavoidable in any project with more than one participant(1/2)@jens@marcan @gothnbass @lanodan @Bobo_PK
(DIR) Post #APsyG4d4Z8MLckWEIC by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-23T05:34:51Z
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3) Government, public policy, and advocacy, or "activist politics", it's best to keep these out of communities that aren't about these things. Let's say I want everyone to stop flying to tech conferences because of the carbon emissions planes add to driving climate change. This is neither untrue nor unimportant. But it's corrosive to tech communities to let me push these things in their comms channels. They're not for that.@jens@marcan @gothnbass @lanodan @Bobo_PK
(DIR) Post #APtHponGojwE462wme by Bobo_PK@chaos.social
2022-11-23T09:14:08Z
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@strypey @jens @marcan @gothnbass @lanodan I think it is fine to remind people that driving a car and flying a plane is part of the bigger problem. I would love to get extra holidays for just using trains and bikes but instead I just get higher costs and am most of the time slower. Ignorance will not safe any community in the long term.
(DIR) Post #APtj7pbRFGBmY8KHJ2 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-23T14:20:00Z
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@Bobo_PKThen let me give you another example. I'm vegan and one of the big reasons is the much bigger carbon emissions involved in animal agriculture. Let's say I regularly hassle everyone in the tech community channels about giving up meat, and nobody does anything about it. Still don't see the problem?@jens @marcan @gothnbass @lanodan