Post APk7WN50v793ioxv8a by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
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(DIR) Post #APi06MNjnxn025SAfw by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-17T22:28:41Z
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Can Big Social just swoop in and take over the Fediverse on a whim?Realistically, that can't happen.1. Pivoting a big business is like captaining an aircraft carrier: it is slow and takes deliberation2. Most businesses don't like to kill their cash cow, and the network effect that they own is their cash cow3. Big Social itself is in disarray and doesn't have the wherewithal to make good strategic decisionsAnd there's other reasons too! š§µ
(DIR) Post #APi06OALAkGFZ7CV4S by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-17T22:32:03Z
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Big Social are no longer the innovators they were.In actuality, for the past 10 years, most innovations in social media have been created by small, nimble playersāwhich Big Social then attempts to either acquire or copy. In essence, they've replaced R&D with M&A.Thus, they probably have nothing new to add to the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #APi0GRiaoqprTl19SC by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-17T22:33:55Z
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The Fediverse is one thing that Big Social cannot acquire or copy. No one owns the Fediverse, so that's not an option. And to copy or integrate the Fediverse is to kill their own cash cows. In essence, the Fediverse targets the chunk in their armour.
(DIR) Post #APi0aC2QpJz4djiHJI by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-17T22:36:39Z
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Big Social is obsessed with metrics, and proving value through metrics. What metrics prove the Fediverse's value?No one knows. Every metric regarding the Fediverse is at best conjecture. Nobody even knows its true size.Hard to convince a CEO to buy into an idea when nothing is probable through metrics.
(DIR) Post #APi1FkPXvz5V7OL6ye by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-17T22:40:35Z
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Nobody has validated the Fediverse as a place to make money. Sure, tiny web-hosts might charge for services, but the average Big Social executive isn't looking to make tiny increases in a new venture. They want to 100x or 1,000 their ROI.Somebody might eventually try this, but Big Social isn't going to be first.
(DIR) Post #APi1FkmaYJWGGr7VtQ by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-17T22:45:50Z
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Yes, Big Social has more than enough money and tech to upset the Fediverse.What they don't have is the capacity to onboard knowledge about the Fediverse quickly and easily. This is because the actual inner workings of the Fediverse are held by only a small handful of people.
(DIR) Post #APi1zWm0yFLm8ug80m by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-17T22:48:25Z
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Believe it or not, most people who work at Big Social are *not* social media nerds, and have zero interest in how the technology works. When they look at Mastodon, their response is pretty much the same as everyone else's: they throw up their hands and say, "This is too complicated!"And then they close their browser tab.
(DIR) Post #APi1zhUh6z21ONex2e by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-17T22:51:26Z
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The only way Big Social challenges the Fediverse is through small competing skunkworks projects. Which has actually happened with Jack Dorsey's Blue Sky project. And to be honest, I'm skeptical about Blue Sky for many reasonsāwhich I may talk about in a separate thread. But more to the point, Blue Sky has been around for 4 yearsāand why aren't we using Blue Sky?
(DIR) Post #APi1zhypIx8Otpl10a by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-17T22:54:20Z
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Before the Fediverse took off this month, Big Social was already intent on pivoting their big aircraft carriers into other "Next Big Thing" initiatives. Too much money and manpower has been stakes into making stuff like the Metaverse happen. They're not going sudden stop their current pivot to pivot again into the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #APi5c00P2D65ffRd6O by arin_basu@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-17T22:54:20Z
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@atomicpoet Chris, I have often been baffled by this: several good people I happen to know in the twitterverse, when they first experience something like #Mastodon, keep saying , 'it's too complicated'. I must be missing something that they have experienced, what it could be? If you want to post, follow, like, share, how much difference exists between twitter and this? Is it the tweetdeck like appearance of Mastodon client? Perhaps a phone client will make for easy onboarding (tusky/mtext)?
(DIR) Post #APi5c0YmyMbROJX5hQ by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-17T23:13:31Z
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@arin_basu I've mentioned this yesterday. Explaining the Fediverse to people is often like explaining a circle to someone who's only ever seen polygons.
(DIR) Post #APi5c105KsRAkyItFI by john@liberdon.com
2022-11-17T23:35:27Z
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@atomicpoet @arin_basu That's the thing, though. We've all been living with decentralized systems forever. Most of the people complaining have lived with decentralized social networks their entire adult lives. They *have* seen circles.How many people complain about how "confusing" email is?It's much simpler than explaining how phone calls work with those arcane numbers.
(DIR) Post #APi5nJa6anB5ZOXXZg by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-17T23:37:28Z
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@john @arin_basu But they only understand *social media* through one paradigm.
(DIR) Post #APi7WN3gbxQfL6QNd2 by darnell@one.darnell.one
2022-11-17T23:28:21Z
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@atomicpoet That is very true. Mastodon is gaining popularity throughout Asia & Africa inside many āclosedā nations & it might be far larger than what we expected.I would not be surprised if there are 50 million accounts due to people using Mastodon in China šØš³, Iran š®š·, Afghanistan š¦š«, Myanmar š²š², Sudan šøšø, Mali š²š±, Burkina Faso š§š«, etcetera, anonymously (also potentially defederated) to avoid the watchful eyes of their restrictive governments.
(DIR) Post #APi8aZf9n3vXXlWFoO by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-17T23:31:19Z
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@mastodonmigration Google has a terrible track record with social, so I'm not worried about them.And if someone else, like Apple, wanted to create an instance that actually federates, that's good. But they better behave themselves or they'll be on the Fediblock. That said, I don't think they'll want to federate.
(DIR) Post #APi8aa5ODWuWr7nChU by tchambers@indieweb.social
2022-11-18T00:05:47Z
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@atomicpoet @mastodonmigration anyone remember their attemp at a social network only inside iTunes, Ping?
(DIR) Post #APi8aac0GGzyUH3FXE by adam@social.librem.one
2022-11-18T00:08:48Z
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@tchambers @atomicpoet @mastodonmigration What if Spotify federated with ActivityPub? :)
(DIR) Post #APi9FJX0fgJbNz8PoG by tchambers@indieweb.social
2022-11-18T00:16:10Z
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@adam @atomicpoet @mastodonmigration Next most likely entity to move to Federate: #Tumblr. Who is bout 1/10th the size of Twitter.
(DIR) Post #APinl8yHSux84Ecfya by rasmusdotse@mastodon.nu
2022-11-17T23:36:36Z
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@atomicpoet @arin_basu Itās the server choice you must do to get in. When you try to enter this seems like an extremely important choice and there is almost no information available to help make the choice.There should be a huge button saying āPick a random serverā and under it a text āyou can easily change later if you donāt like itā.This is probably everything that needs to be done.
(DIR) Post #APinl9QdlTdbUBtKBE by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-18T07:50:03Z
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@rasmusdotse > There should be a huge button saying āPick a random serverā and under it a text āyou can easily change later if you donāt like itā.The amount creation page in the latest version of Mastodon specifies that you can follow accounts from different servers to the one you join. It has two options; join this server, or join another server, with a link to JoinMastodon.org. If they need to close registrations, the 'other server' option remains.@atomicpoet @arin_basu
(DIR) Post #APj1Ryv60j2ekXtFbs by rasmusdotse@mastodon.nu
2022-11-18T10:23:27Z
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@strypey @atomicpoet @arin_basu I know, I used it. And itās very confusing. Itās extremely bad from a usability perspective since it asks new user to make a choice based on knowledge they donāt have and cannot acquire until they have entered the feediverse.. So the choice needs to be postponed to later.
(DIR) Post #APj3hFntid39MlvvjE by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-18T10:48:25Z
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@rasmusdotseIt makes the point that choice of instance doesn't matter as much as people think it will. Because we make our own community here, regardless of which instance people are on (putting aside defederations etc). Having said that, it would be cool if that page also made it clear that it's possible to migrate between instances, carrying follows/followers along for the ride. So initial choice matters even less.@atomicpoet @arin_basu
(DIR) Post #APj3z8ta8tXr9Y7d3Y by rasmusdotse@mastodon.nu
2022-11-18T10:51:52Z
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@arin_basu @strypey @atomicpoet No that is not how a potential new user understands the information.
(DIR) Post #APj5ox5bNliBY80rPU by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-18T11:12:21Z
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@rasmusdotseFeel free to expand on that, keeping in mind that other new users may see things quite different from you.@arin_basu @atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #APjSbTP8jjT0fGh3Sa by rasmusdotse@mastodon.nu
2022-11-18T15:27:38Z
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@strypey @arin_basu @atomicpoet Well, I understand Iām not representative for all new users. Though my assesment is based on the experience of doing hundreds of usability studies on websites with observations of how users interact with them. I designed user interfaces for internet banking over 20 years ago. We did one for a bank where customers needed to choose what local bransch they belonged to at first log on. That one had similar problems.
(DIR) Post #APk6awAYIigvknAYsa by ole@mstdn.ca
2022-11-17T22:44:59Z
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@atomicpoet Would #Fediverse benefit from the nonprofit international body to oversee it's evolution? Maybe a DAO if blockchain get much more adoption
(DIR) Post #APk6awvhTQPC71EDMu by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-18T22:55:34Z
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@oleWould #Fediverse benefit from the nonprofit international body to oversee it's evolution?There was one, Feneas, which recently folded due to lack of interest. Various attempts were made to stoke interest in a new one on SocialHub. No dice. Whether or not there might be a benefit, there hasn't been much enthusiasm for the idea.@atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #APk6tkpefyO25vMqpM by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-18T22:59:15Z
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@oleThere are many not-for-profit orgs involved in fediverse dev in various ways. W3C as stewards of AP standard. Orgs like FramaSoft and CodeBerg who host dev efforts on various fedi software projects. There's also the orgs who host informal fedi community spaces (eg the org that stewards SocialHub), and the various entities who advocate and educate about self-hosting/community-hosting. I don't think lack of invisible structures is a problem ;)@atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #APk7PHRTTzfgD45e3k by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-18T23:04:52Z
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@strypey @ole No, I don't believe a centralizing body should oversee every effort to decentralize social media.
(DIR) Post #APk7WMVv1b4XxyXtR2 by dfeldman@hachyderm.io
2022-11-18T07:51:29Z
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@atomicpoet Itās very hard to compete with free.
(DIR) Post #APk7WN50v793ioxv8a by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-18T23:05:37Z
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@dfeldman> Itās very hard to compete with free.Free as in beer or free as in speech? I'm guessing you meant the former, but I think the latter had more to do with GNU/Linux dominance. MS made strong arguments about TCO (Total Cost of Ownership), which could have stemmed the flow of enterprise users away from Windows if the main issue was financial cost.@atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #APk8UV8o4tI869Pacq by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-17T22:57:01Z
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Money can do a lot of things but it cannot guarantee you a future. And we're seeing this shake out currently with what's going on with Twitter. If $44 billion isn't enough to guarantee Twitter's future success, why would that same amount guarantee success pivoting to the Fediverse?
(DIR) Post #APk8UVdeEDxfdnqDhI by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-17T23:01:50Z
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There's the matter of culture. When Big Social sees the Fediverse, all they see is a bunch of deviant upstarts.Joining the Fediverse, and thereafter hijacking it, means getting comfortable with a bunch of misfits that often aren't even currently welcome on Big Social.And if there's a culture clash, it's not happening.
(DIR) Post #APk8UWFDyW1FWLQEGe by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-17T23:09:04Z
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Finally, a previous parallel for what's happening right now with Big Social and the Fediverse:At one time, Microsoft owned 98% of the OS market. Then a tiny community of raggedy upstarts built their own free and open source OS called Linux. Microsoft did everything possible to keep Linux from growing. They weren't successful at all.Now Linux is the most dominant OS in the world, and it continues to be free and open source. If Microsoft can't win, why would Big Social?/END TREAD
(DIR) Post #APk8UWgAMLZOru1kGG by basexperience@mastodon.scot
2022-11-18T08:49:34Z
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@atomicpoet mmmmmmmmm. Linux never did conquer MSās core domain though, did they? Linux on the desktop still doesnāt move the meter. Now, if you include web servers and android - both of which rely on either no UI or a completely mobile-centric overlaid one - then yes, Linux does indeed rule. But itās never even challenged windows.
(DIR) Post #APk8UX8sdaXSIxSg1A by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-18T23:17:03Z
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@basexperience> Linux on the desktop still doesnāt move the meterYou could say that about the the 'verse relative to the used numbers still on the Datafarms. Let's look at direction, not current state. MS failed to leverage their desktop monopoly to dominate the mobile OS space; mobile Windows was about as successful as Ubuntu Touch. Windows as default OEM OS on consumer laptops has been a big barrier. Now there are more companies selling GNU/Linux laptops than ever before.@atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #APk8uYzSOC0lZ7SwPQ by DanaBlankenhorn@journa.host
2022-11-17T23:01:56Z
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@atomicpoet The Cloud Czars (except Meta) want nothing to do with social right now. Microsoft exited decades ago.
(DIR) Post #APk8uZX8MywxFZDptw by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-17T23:12:09Z
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@DanaBlankenhorn Microsoft owns LinkedIn. But LinkedIn definitely aren't joining the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #APk8uZzUfXdQfWUU6a by davidcampey@mastodon.online
2022-11-18T10:35:35Z
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@atomicpoet @DanaBlankenhorn You say LinkedIn aren't joining the fediverse with certainty, but it does strike me as something "new Microsoft" might recognise as a valid good move.@Microsoft@brands.town are here already, just via 3rd party, so toes are dipped. They have had LinkedIn.social for 8 years, so maybe they can finally use it... š¤(mostly joking, slightly hoping)
(DIR) Post #APk8uaSYvSt47g5hPk by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-18T23:21:40Z
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@davidcampey> @Microsoft are here already, just via 3rd party, so toes are dipped. Did you look at the posts? This is clearly a parody account, like every account I've seen on brands.town so far. There have been MS staff (current and former) here for a long time, but I don't think they're here as a company (yet).@atomicpoet @DanaBlankenhorn
(DIR) Post #APk9v6dZOGk9sF3DhA by Sanlear@mastodon.social
2022-11-17T23:03:04Z
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@atomicpoet Isnāt Blue Sky completely funded by Twitter? I would think thereās some big strings attached to anyone using it.
(DIR) Post #APk9v77LbYYxMaz06q by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-18T23:33:06Z
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@SanlearIt's supposedly producing an open protocol. I'd take a careful look at licensing around the reference implementations just to be sure (beware of submarine software patents). But I think JD is pretty genuine in realizing Titter ought to have been federated from day 1, as demonstrates by hiring Jay Graber (@arcalinea) for BS, who is definitely a genuine advocate of decentralization. See:https://medium.com/decentralized-web/decentralized-social-networks-e5a7a2603f53 @atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #APkAbdqWJKxh22OIUK by darnell@one.darnell.one
2022-11-17T23:31:16Z
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@atomicpoet They do not know how to extract money if they Federate too. That is what is holding up the Blue Sky development in my honest opinion.
(DIR) Post #APkAbeFgnl5wI6AOie by pre@boing.world
2022-11-18T00:01:42Z
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@darnell @atomicpoet They were stalled arguing about blockchain for almost all that time.Dorsey took over, and they have since basically all but abandoned any blockchaininess, released a couple of papers, and got some test code running.Their plans are ambitions and unproven, and seem to amount to still having algorithms written by advertisers deciding what you see. Just you get to pay to pick which advertisers wrote the algorithm.I think they wasted 3 years and are now doing work but I don't think their incentives and aims are for the communal good.
(DIR) Post #APkAbebfU2fxOGRwye by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-18T00:07:10Z
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@pre @darnell There's another plain matter: I don't think Dorsey's investing a lot of money on Blue Sky. The people who work there either don't have the time to work on basic things like DNS management *or* they're just asleep at the wheel.Which doesn't bode well for the future of the project.
(DIR) Post #APkAbf41mbMQoDibBI by darnell@one.darnell.one
2022-11-18T02:19:15Z
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@atomicpoet @pre I am surprised that Blue Sky is this far behind after several years in development. I know ActivityPub was not built in a day, but at least there was progress being made over itās development.I know there are other protocols around aspiring to do what ActivityPub has done, but most lack widespread adoption (basically having a million active users).
(DIR) Post #APkAbfQiQFVbwaKiXo by JoshuaACasey@qoto.org
2022-11-18T10:10:18Z
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@darnell @atomicpoet @pre I'm just disappointed that BlueSky decided to make their own protocol instead of just using a pre-existing protocol *cough*ActivityPub*cough*
(DIR) Post #APkAbfyOP2Rnd25c2K by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-18T23:40:45Z
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@JoshuaACaseyTBF they have some legitimate criticisms of the limitations of AP. Eg full account and data portability is hard to do in the 'verse because AP ties both to the domain name of the hosting instance. What I'm hoping it's that that they can work constructively with AP implementers - in a way the Zot folks couldn't - to come up with a successor protocol (or a new version of AP) that can overcome these limitations.@darnell @atomicpoet @pre
(DIR) Post #APkAzz2PAk5dhsYb0y by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-18T23:45:07Z
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@mastodonmigrationAs @rabble has pointed out, relative to FB and some of the other really Big Fish, Titter saw themselves as one of the plucky upstarts, which is why they did BlueSky.@atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #APkBouDYqvqdWh3aCm by atomicpoet@mastodon.social
2022-11-18T23:54:19Z
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@strypey @JoshuaACasey @darnell @pre Have you looked into the nomad protocol? It aims to combine Zot6 with ActivityPub.
(DIR) Post #APkBrJ21ZA9X43nyPQ by hasmis@qoto.org
2022-11-18T13:47:05Z
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@atomicpoet Ok, I'm not getting a clear answer on this. Could a groupthink institution like NASA or The Guardian set up a paid subscription instance, and block everything in and out? That would be a great way for people to make money, and you wouldn't have to worry about Google taking over everything. :)
(DIR) Post #APkBrJiuzgSpD5sEGe by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-18T23:54:49Z
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@hasmisPaid subscription instances already exist, eg cloudisland.nz. Completely defederated instances already exists, eg counter.social, and a couple of sites associated with the alt-right that I refuse to name (all publicity is good publicity). How is any of this a threat? Subscriptions are a more ethical business model for social media than DataFarming. Stand-alone instances are as threatening to the 'verse as Discourse forums or any other self-hosted silo.@atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #APkBwTGcwDyKG169b6 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-18T23:55:46Z
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@rasmusdotseFair enough. What's your proposed solution? How and why do you think it will work better than what we're currently doing?@arin_basu @atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #APkIApmmbuk1sQN4Mq by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-19T01:05:28Z
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@atomicpoet A coordinating/ advocacy body needn't necessarily be a centralizing body. The FSF/OSI are not centralizing bodies, but the centralized libre software movements have benefited in many ways from their existence.@ole
(DIR) Post #APkIIDmFoESCJPe784 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-19T01:06:55Z
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@atomicpoet A coordinating/ advocacy body needn't necessarily be a centralizing body. The FSF/OSI are not centralizing bodies, but the centralized libre software movements have benefited in many ways from their existence.The irony of decentralized networks is that their very existence requires a standards process, which tends to be more successful the more centralized it succeeds in being.@ole
(DIR) Post #APkIZG0Gmn7c8gKDaK by darnell@one.darnell.one
2022-11-19T01:04:54Z
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@atomicpoet @strypey @JoshuaACasey @pre That sounds very interesting! I think what would be cool if the protocols could be merged (yes, even relevant remnants of Blue Sky) into one super protocol.It would be easier if they were written on top of ActivityPub though since the latter is much larger than the others.
(DIR) Post #APkIZGTL2iNFapvQtU by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-19T01:09:56Z
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@darnellAP is just a name. It doesn't really matter what the unifying protocol is called, as long as it takes the best from all the existing protocols, and overcomes the limitations in each of them.@atomicpoet @JoshuaACasey @pre
(DIR) Post #APkIpa2O4E80uJ6CO0 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-19T01:12:43Z
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@atomicpoet> Have you looked into the nomad protocolNot in any detail. But the author's refusal to work with anyone else (because we're all so "toxic") makes me sceptical that it will get any more attention or addition than any previous Zot-based experiments. Which is frustrating, because it's probably just as technically brilliant as they were.@JoshuaACasey @darnell @pre
(DIR) Post #APkNmuEwztjOSzWHKK by radehi@qoto.org
2022-11-18T20:09:25Z
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@atomicpoet @jeffjarvis #Microsoft is much more profitable now than when it owned 98% of the desktop OS market.Microsoft is arguably the biggest Linux distributor on the desktop via WSL2.Microsoft owns GitHub and therefore the namespaces of most of the world's open-source projects.Booting Linux on your new laptop depends on Microsoft's goodwill in giving you the signing keys for Secure Boot, and on some new laptops booting Linux isn't permitted.The vast majority of Linux users run Android, where they don't have root and aren't permitted to recompile their kernel.This isn't what free and open-source Linux winning would look like. It's better than a Windows monoculture would have been, but it's a much, much less free world than 25 years ago.
(DIR) Post #APkNmuk97ugW1k7Bx2 by lxo@gnusocial.net
2022-11-18T20:54:47Z
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quite true. back then even Linux itself was possibly still free.but does WSL2 actually encompass the Linux kernel? honest question, I really don't know. I thought it was just the userland part of GNU/Linux, much like Cygwin, but maybe that changed in WSL2?
(DIR) Post #APkNmv6TmsY790Z1lI by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
2022-11-19T02:08:28.822192Z
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@lxo WSGL2 is a glorified GNU/Linux VM, except with some windows "integration" features.WSGL2 was different to WSG1, which didn't even have Linux in it, but had GNU and some other software.>Microsoft is arguably the biggest Linux distributor on the desktop via WSL2.Based off memory, the reported usage numbers is somewhere between 200,000-1,000,000, so very little people actually use WSGL2 comparably.
(DIR) Post #APkwFUsXlZZMeIqNCy by davidcampey@mastodon.online
2022-11-19T08:34:36Z
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@strypey @atomicpoet @DanaBlankenhornThanks, yes #BrandsTown is definitely satire / trolling, know that now. I read the top toots and it seemed okay, and I was trying a different client, so thought the "blue ticks" were verified URLs šIt also looks like brands.town has been defederated from mastodon.online, because I can't even search for that account from my mobile clients now, can only see it in browser https://brands.town/@Microsoft
(DIR) Post #APl0NOouZjxnzZAVIe by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-19T09:20:51Z
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@davidcampeyAww, that's a shame. Yes Men style anti-corporate parody is awesome. I guess it violates some server rules around clearly marketing parody at parody?@atomicpoet @DanaBlankenhorn
(DIR) Post #APlEQt2G5hVbviy6cq by hasmis@qoto.org
2022-11-19T11:58:21Z
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@strypey @atomicpoet So, it is warring city states. I'll have to think on this.
(DIR) Post #APlizqxanP5eFoNKm8 by rasmusdotse@mastodon.nu
2022-11-19T17:40:48Z
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@strypey @arin_basu @atomicpoet Iāll draft a design example of what I proposed above for you as soon as I have time. The point is to get people in as users before they get presented with a choice.New users = offered a random general purpose serverExperienced users = knows what they want and is offered to choose manually
(DIR) Post #APmrWMYtpXpyK5nXqS by hasmis@qoto.org
2022-11-19T13:12:47Z
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@strypey @atomicpoet Ok, so here are bursts of short philosophy. I tend to view things on a long scale. Mastodon is a bunch of code, and not a Principle. Open source was a principle, and benefited the world. FB and bird made the world worse. We need a principle, such as "Freedom to Read". That would be fighting city states with Reformation coffee houses, which relied on smuggled papers, and lots of caffeine.
(DIR) Post #APmrWN0YAjxHhqjcwa by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-20T06:51:03Z
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@hasmis> Mastodon is a bunch of code... and the community around its dev and use.> Open source was a principleMore like a PR strategy for people pushing software freedom. But I'm splitting hairs. I agree it...> benefited the world> FB and bird made the world worse. We need a principleFreedom to interoperate? Freedom to leave?> That would be fighting city states with Reformation coffee housesI'm not sure city-states weren't the better model. All for coffee houses :)@atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #APmx7FFMUSIA7Z47oO by rasmusdotse@mastodon.nu
2022-11-19T17:49:22Z
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@strypey @arin_basu @atomicpoet Following this principle will reduce or even eliminate cases of potential users who are curious or intend to join mastodon but fail,to register an account. It will also eliminate any rumors saying itās complicated to join Mastodon. These rumors are currently making people less curious about joining.
(DIR) Post #APmx7Fgeqy7tUDpvMG by arin_basu@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-20T06:07:31Z
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@rasmusdotse @strypey @atomicpoet Hi Rasmus, I am keen to see what UX/UI you come up with. Say someone is interested to join mastodon and not too savvy about it. I know an elderly literature prof active in bird site, but she got very confused when some of us invited her to join mastodon without actually inviting her to a server. Visiting joinmastodon, it was obvious why she found joining mastodon so complicated, š Need better onboarding
(DIR) Post #APmx7G6tHR6sna6sFM by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-20T07:53:45Z
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@arin_basu @rasmusdotse> Need better onboardingThis is often hard to see from the inside. Any detailed feedback on this you can find the Mastodon folks, and fediverse devs in general, is valuable.One possibility is a quiz that walks people through choosing a server. It wouldn't even have to be limited to Mastodon, as long as it's selecting from a list of servers that are accepting new accounts, and have been recently vetted for sanity and uptime. @atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #APmxj3ew1LVnBf3e6K by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-20T08:00:36Z
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Questions could include;* Do you mainly want to post text, photos, audio, or video?* Do you want a character limit on the length of posts?* Do you prefer a crowded street or a quiet bar or cafe? [addressing server size]* Do you prefer random chats at a street party or meeting people with similar interests at a conference or convention? [addressing general vs. themed servers]* What's your favorite type of themed event?@arin_basu @rasmusdotse @atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #APmy5AoE7OZJjUwvQW by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-20T08:04:35Z
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@arin_basu> invited her to join mastodon without actually inviting her to a server. Maybe we have something to learn from @snikket_im here? Maybe the best way to grow the 'verse sustainably is to get more organizations to set up servers and invite their people to join that way? People could join servers for their workplace, activist group, sports club, spiritual fellowship, etc etc.@rasmusdotse @atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #APo87bmZzofufUwGLw by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-20T21:31:46Z
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@arin_basu @rasmusdotse When I said...> One possibility is a quiz that walks people through choosing a server. ... turns out it wasn't my idea. I'd already seen this:https://instances.social/@atomicpoet
(DIR) Post #APo8ejcfrpCcXa6M52 by arinbasu1@social.arinbasu.online
2022-11-20T08:23:53.582652Z
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These are great questions but best asked once a person haa created an account and is settling in. Perhaps a minimalistic interface and a welcome message directing them to a selection of servers first can be thought of.
(DIR) Post #APo8emKLoPKOvcYGR6 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-20T21:37:45Z
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@arinbasu1 > best asked once a person haa created an account The point of the questions is to help them choose the right instance of the right software. For example, if they answer that they primarily want to post photos, maybe best to direct them to PixelFed, not Mastodon. If they say they don't want a character limit, best to direct them away from Mastodon, or at least to instances where the character limit it turned off. Etc etc.@rasmusdotse @atomicpoet @arin_basu
(DIR) Post #APo9EZHZn0bEtbJsga by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-20T21:44:02Z
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@arinbasu1 > best asked once a person haa created an account The point of the questions is to help them choose the right instance of the right software to create an account on. See instances.social as an example. I'm imagining a joinfediverse.foo site that uses a quiz like this to narrow down instance selection, but not limited to Mastodon or micro-posting. But with better graphic design, more like the joinmastodon server page.@rasmusdotse @atomicpoet @arin_basu