Post APUQuEJJxtrk4gOAhE by pulkomandy@mastodon.tetaneutral.net
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(DIR) Post #APT689GlDGTwIX1jV2 by fiercemilder@mastodon.ie
2022-11-10T13:10:38Z
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Interesting comment on Hackernews regarding a possible scenario/long term risk should Mastodon threaten the corporate sphere of social media.https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33545541
(DIR) Post #APTDPcwkpGpqwUx0a0 by PublicLewdness@freespeechextremist.com
2022-11-10T19:22:13.808452Z
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@fiercemilder Two words: Fork It.
(DIR) Post #APTLOEGBvJzPiqt1kG by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2022-11-10T20:51:33.038656Z
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@fiercemilder just give up and trust big tech or leave
(DIR) Post #APTRFDatd7d2m8epzk by tharsis@shitposter.club
2022-11-10T21:57:13.023755Z
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@fiercemilder It's a bit terrifying that the author had the Big Tech corporate-speak down perfectly.
(DIR) Post #APUQuEJJxtrk4gOAhE by pulkomandy@mastodon.tetaneutral.net
2022-11-11T09:24:04Z
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@fiercemilder replace Mastodon with Jabber/XMPP and notice that this already happened a decade ago.
(DIR) Post #APVb9FZ0mXIr0KUMwC by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-11-11T22:57:29.046Z
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@fiercemilder@mastodon.ie I wouldn't be too bothered. I'm pretty sure most of the chill people that were here before the current Twitter exodus would not implement proprietary AP features and just stay here and not join the FAANG instances. Maybe even block them.
(DIR) Post #APVbLT08eBnY9g0Dom by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-11-11T22:59:44.511Z
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@fiercemilder@mastodon.ie Personally I would consider defederating from proprietary instance software on my instances. I don't want my server interacting with proprietary software.
(DIR) Post #APVbQtgGsf96LeIc8e by admin@mastodon.tech
2022-11-11T23:00:46.641641Z
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Which instances are proprietary & why?
(DIR) Post #APVbiF2mhqttWm6Gye by void@bikeshed.party
2022-11-11T23:02:00.966042Z
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@admin @fiercemilder @SuperDicq What do you mean by “proprietary” ?
(DIR) Post #APVcCu4ciuudSya5Gi by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-11-11T23:09:24.092Z
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@admin@mastodon.tech Currently all major fedi instance projects (Pleroma, Misskey, Mastodon, etc.) are licensed under the AGPLv3 or other free software licenses.If a FAANG company would make their own fedi instance software they will most likely make it proprietary, which is for me probably a decent reason for defederation.
(DIR) Post #APVd2lIcahPFJOr9wO by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-11-11T23:18:44.405Z
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@void@bikeshed.party @admin@mastodon.tech @fiercemilder@mastodon.ie Proprietary as in nonfree software. All the current fediverse implementations (Pleroma, Misskey, Mastodon, etc.) are free (as in freedom) software. You can read, share, improve and redistribute the source code of all these programs. This is what makes fediverse the great place that it is, because anyone can take any of these programs and create their own fediverse instance, provided they have a server and a domain name.If a FAANG company would make a their own fediverse instance they would probably not release it as free software, but instead make it proprietary, as in their own software that they do not share with anyone so they maximally capitalize on it.I think that making your server software proprietary is very bad for the fediverse as a whole and I do not want to encourage it so I might decide to defederate from instances if they run proprietary software (which does not exist yet).
(DIR) Post #APVeN615NHgHJKujrM by void@bikeshed.party
2022-11-11T23:21:24.028917Z
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@SuperDicq @admin @fiercemilder You could have just stopped at “as in opensource software”, i know what it isanyway it’s not because some instance reports itself as pleroma or mastodon that it’s not a “proprietary” instance, you can not ever really know whats running on the other side.what’s more dangerous is corps running instances, or crawling instances and I was hoping it was what you meant by “proprietary”
(DIR) Post #APVeN6VDZFmeon0npI by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-11-11T23:33:37.337Z
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@void@bikeshed.party @admin@mastodon.tech @fiercemilder@mastodon.ie You could have just stopped at “as in opensource software”, i know what it isI do not like using the term "open source". The open source movement focusses too much on the practical benefits of having access to the source code and making free software corporate friendly.People who support "open source" often don't talk about the real reasons why it is important, such as freedom and sharing. I much prefer to use the terminology from the free software movement instead.anyway it’s not because some instance reports itself as pleroma or mastodon that it’s not a “proprietary” instance, you can not ever really know whats running on the other side.You are correct that it is technically impossible to know what another server is running. However, hiding modifications you made to the software is illegal under international copyright law thanks to the AGPLv3 license that Mastodon, Pleroma and Misskey all use.
(DIR) Post #APVlBwkwADRj5FzX1M by admin@mastodon.tech
2022-11-12T00:50:06.813200Z
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Well, I think it has existed 3 times.Gab was proprietary Mastodon software. When most other instances defederated from Gab, they isolated themselves 100% from the Fediverse. I believe Gettr started with Mastodon software and as they decided to be proprietary, separated themselves 100% from the Fediverse. Truth Social started on Mastodon, got in legal trouble for not releasing the changes as specified by the license, then switched to the Rebased fork of Pleroma (is that accurate @alex ?TruthSocial isolating itself 100% from the Fediverse by their own decision.
(DIR) Post #APVlQbRBhwlDJEk5wG by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-11-12T00:52:42.317Z
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@admin@mastodon.tech @alex@gleasonator.com Gab, Gettr and Truth Social all release their source code. Some indeed did not do this initially, but had to be pressured to do so. Their software is not proprietary now.
(DIR) Post #APVlZhYSKjh2t6TrZQ by SuperDicq@minidisc.tokyo
2022-11-12T00:54:19.671Z
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@admin@mastodon.tech @alex@gleasonator.com Actually Gettr is indeed proprietary, but they have built their own thing and do indeed not federate so they are simply a centralized social network like Twitter.
(DIR) Post #APYpeUbwrr5fTyXB8C by fiercemilder@mastodon.ie
2022-11-10T18:05:49Z
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@theexplorographer in 2006 Bethesda were ridiculed for charging money for some in-game horse armour for Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, and these days you have a generation of game players justifying the existence of battle-pass systems on the basis that they're "just cosmetic" items.The overton window for consuner acceptability is always shifting, no matter how gradual.Not saying the above is at all assured, but it's certainly not without precedent.
(DIR) Post #APYpeaYcl7zpvP1bma by anubis2814@friendica.myportal.social
2022-11-10T18:00:14Z
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@theexplorographer @fiercemilder Most people find effort on the internet to be not worth their time so they would happily stick with what they know. If that weren't the case tons more people would have come over here sooner.
(DIR) Post #APYpf0YW69MKYbAtE0 by fiercemilder@mastodon.ie
2022-11-10T18:25:57Z
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@theexplorographer both were cosmetic, my point is that the idea of charging customers for cosmetic items went from being a point if ridicule to the default in less than one generation of gamers. The values of a customer base can be changed over time.
(DIR) Post #APbFDArv9Cx3YfYizA by exception@mastodon.savvy.ch
2022-11-14T16:15:23Z
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@fiercemilder Community-driven mastodon instances should block any instance run by big tech or any investor-driven startup to prevent embrace/extend/extinguish from happending.
(DIR) Post #APbFDBR12j1ZJVykgi by Jain@blob.cat
2022-11-14T16:19:57.931462Z
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@exception @fiercemilder i dont think so, that could hurt the network, i am rather of the opinion that users should be made aware that it is relatively easy to migrate to another server...And btw, i would actually consider mastodon.social as an instance run by a investor-driven startup and gargron actually has some kind of big tech company behave when it comes to mastodon
(DIR) Post #APbFDN8fWlTjc5UGky by exception@mastodon.savvy.ch
2022-11-14T16:19:17Z
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@fiercemilder And community instances need to make this a clean-cut policy before any big tech instance is launched and include in it that any instance not folling this policy will be blocked as well.
(DIR) Post #APbGaDqqKADJQIbosi by exception@mastodon.savvy.ch
2022-11-14T16:31:46Z
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@Jain @fiercemilder Migration is only easy if the old server is well behaved.And yes, mastodon.social is a problem and should be shut down. And yes, the code should belong to the community and be controlled by it.But the way to make this happen is to destroy any big tech or startup business model inside the network.This will slow down the groth and maybe even cap it, but I'm fully okay with that.
(DIR) Post #APbGaERM8PQ9FXgynI by Jain@blob.cat
2022-11-14T16:35:24.503324Z
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@exception @fiercemilder hmm... i can understand that, but i dont agree on all details tho
(DIR) Post #APtLro231Hze6BA67M by Jain@blob.cat
2022-11-23T09:58:40.599911Z
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@fiercemilder :blobcatshrug2: i think mastodon is on its way to be a corporate sphere to a certain degree... instead of being open and educational, the branding aims to be all about mastodon where rather mastodon is about fediverse/activity pub...
(DIR) Post #APtMdIGiQ101UCfNi4 by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-11-23T10:07:51.218155Z
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@fiercemilder ask long as we get to this part as quickly as possible, I’m perfectly fine with it.
(DIR) Post #APu1ppK7RXwNbFLyJE by scathach@stereophonic.space
2022-11-23T17:49:14.249230Z
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@fiercemilder #fediblock gmail.com, problem solved :shrugAkko:
(DIR) Post #APu3SlDQkYz66iLziC by kravietz@agora.echelon.pl
2022-11-23T14:40:49.485924Z
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@fiercemilder I don’t think there’s any way for Google to dominate the ~8000 Fediverse servers, because Google domain will be yet another one, adding to the existing large and lively swarm.On top of that, I’m pretty sure there would be a significant movement to defederate from Google domains, not necessarily majority of instances (I wouldn’t personally defederate them until they start doing something fishy), but significant enough to make a point.I think the better analogy here would be HTTP or TLS protocols, which Google actively influences for their business needs, but that’s happening through a community, in an open and transparent way. Of course, this doesn’t preclude them from trying to push semi-private alternatives such as QUIC, but these attempts are not really successful.
(DIR) Post #APu3SlnwYoBvvxR9cm by newt@stereophonic.space
2022-11-23T18:07:35.002948Z
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@kravietz @fiercemilder consider this: 70% of ALL email traffic originates and/or ends in gmail. Effectively, gmail is email today.