Post APU7KO4eI18uniinOi by zate@infosec.exchange
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(DIR) Post #APTvEqy8kMgJEJGuxc by Gargron@mastodon.social
2022-11-11T03:31:05Z
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Having been here since 2016, I can tell you there is definitely no such thing as a consensus on usage of content warnings on the fediverse. It's a decentralized network that doesn't belong to any one party, so by definition there is no single culture on it. Different corners have different expectations and customs.
(DIR) Post #APTx32krIlBuDSYWzg by Gargron@mastodon.social
2022-11-11T03:46:41Z
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For my part, I've always seen them as something at the discretion of the author. As the reader, you have a plethora of tools to disengage from unwanted content on Mastodon—with even better filters coming in 4.0—and harassment is not one of them. People who are arriving now have as much right to be here and bring their own culture as the ones who came before them.
(DIR) Post #APU7Jbq7cj0BClYW5g by eyemyke@mastodon.social
2022-11-11T03:49:22Z
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@Gargron thanks for this. i love them for spoilers and particularly triggering topics, but i am a fan of using hashtags for subjects so people can mute them. seeing CW's for every little thing just disrupts the flow (IMO).
(DIR) Post #APU7KO4eI18uniinOi by zate@infosec.exchange
2022-11-11T03:50:23Z
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@Gargron It is nice to hear that because I'm seeing a lot of pseudo gatekeeping along the lines of "all you new people, here's the rules, shoes off, only sit on the furniture that has plastic on it, we don't use the silverware and please wash the disposable plates when you are done" so to speak.
(DIR) Post #APU7PctCdM62CKrkB6 by realfiremonkey@mastodon.me.uk
2022-11-11T03:50:42Z
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@gargron Thank you for saying this I was starting to feel guilty about being here like I was an unwanted house guest.
(DIR) Post #APU7RMDnZj9H5CKCdU by srinathkrishna@indieweb.social
2022-11-11T03:48:26Z
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@Gargron What's the timeline for 4.0?
(DIR) Post #APUASs1N89ArrLvRMO by gamarus@kfem.cat
2022-11-11T03:36:13Z
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@Gargron Thank you. People often think that their vision of the Fediverse IS the Fediverse.And people who have been here a long time have a nasty habit of telling new people how to behave.
(DIR) Post #APUVdC5BUlHy0pTMSO by sandearl@mastodon.online
2022-11-11T03:37:09Z
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@Gargron Eugene has been more than here. He helped build the place. Listen to him and stop the CW policing.
(DIR) Post #APUVdCglF3LXtN3N1k by edendestroyer@mindly.social
2022-11-11T04:07:25Z
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@sandearl @Gargron we can listen to him while not agreeing to his opinions. As much as we can appreciate his work, we still are a community as a whole filled with more people than just eugene. His authority isnt rock-hard, nor is the community’s. The opinions expressed in a dialogue and their legitimacy matters more than anything.
(DIR) Post #APUVdD4rnQd368KcbI by sandearl@mastodon.online
2022-11-11T04:20:57Z
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@edendestroyer @Gargron You may have misunderstood. He said there's no consensus on CW use. You've been here about four days. I've been here about ten. You and I can have our separate opinions about CW use, but Eugen knows a hell of a lot more about the culture here than either of us. So I'm telling people don't tell others how they should use CWs based on the culture here. He just told us. I'm respecting expertise.
(DIR) Post #APUVdDSGORLOGhHJ4K by edendestroyer@mindly.social
2022-11-11T04:24:21Z
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@sandearl @Gargron youre not respecting expertise but authority, as I said, the study of the culture and its validity matters more than mere authority. I rest my case.
(DIR) Post #APUVdDkLJDo1AljkFU by sandearl@mastodon.online
2022-11-11T03:53:45Z
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@Gargron Sorry that autocorrect changed Eugen's name and I didn't notice.
(DIR) Post #APUVdDtCmGtXcFsp3w by moffintosh@berserker.town
2022-11-11T10:21:01Z
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@edendestroyer @sandearl @Gargron That there is no consensus on CW is a fact though.
(DIR) Post #APUVubhnU2IYP2pvwe by TB41@mastodon.social
2022-11-11T03:53:45Z
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@Gargron Word. You a real one for posting this. Since I've arrived here I've seen a bunch of gatekeepers telling people what they can or cannot do, effectively standing against what I thought this place was supposed to be. ✌🏽
(DIR) Post #APUVucJjD0diIgaE4G by edendestroyer@mindly.social
2022-11-11T04:04:43Z
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@TB41 @Gargron its not about telling people what to do, but requesting them to be considerate of the existing culture and try and understand the importance and the reason behind its existence.
(DIR) Post #APUVucn9RcAvlwLivg by moffintosh@berserker.town
2022-11-11T10:24:11Z
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@edendestroyer @TB41 @Gargron The existing culture is fundamentally not uniform and changes from.instance to instance though
(DIR) Post #APUW4hG7gq7UWUhfii by edendestroyer@mindly.social
2022-11-11T10:26:02Z
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@moffintosh @TB41 @Gargron correct, so when an instance has an existing culture, they may express their needs as such. A simple responsibility would simply be to heed and try to understand why it exists the way it does. If you don't agree fundamentally, you can change the instance. Someone made a suggestion of having the ability of CW-ing whole instances, this can help there.
(DIR) Post #APUW9Ibwl3v1Wi6cnw by edendestroyer@mindly.social
2022-11-11T10:26:51Z
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@moffintosh @sandearl @Gargron that is a different conversation that can be had.
(DIR) Post #APUa4jnUeW9SDCaSjg by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2022-11-11T11:10:48Z
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@Gargron That's kind of what I was getting at here: https://society.oftrolls.com/@mansr/109320571138565804
(DIR) Post #APUrVS12ZPam6SFOL2 by Bill_Boone@poa.st
2022-11-11T14:26:11.457413Z
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@Gargron nigga you gay
(DIR) Post #APUsQW1kKQNH3BmudU by Bill_Boone@poa.st
2022-11-11T14:36:30.009984Z
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@Gargron blah blah blah
(DIR) Post #APVgLN5T8QgVaGGmhM by iceloops@lizards.live
2022-11-11T23:55:46Z
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@Gargron cw are a mistake and are a cope scope on posts are a cope. Reports are a cope you're a cope.
(DIR) Post #APW00KmSVvPnQqcke8 by musictraveler@mastodon.online
2022-11-11T08:27:23Z
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@Gargron Interesting post Eugen, I fully agree. As someone new here I have to say what confused me the most on Mastodon is indeed the so called #ContentWarning 🙈 Still it makes not much sense in my opinion given the at least for me 🤷♂️ sometimes “strange” reasons to put a CW. So I noticed that in 99.99% of the case I even do not even open anymore a post with a CW. For me it’s nice to see in one glance all post so I can decide to read it or not but with CW 🤷♂️ it remains a black box.
(DIR) Post #APW00LLYPRUJBh2mLg by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-12T03:36:03Z
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@musictraveler> to see in one glance all post so I can decide to read it or notAs soon as you see the whole post, you lose any choice about whether or not to see it. This is the particularly the case for images. This is precisely why the CW tool exists, to give people the choice> with CW 🤷♂️ it remains a black box.... with a label on it, to give people some idea whether or not they want to see what's in the box.@Gargron
(DIR) Post #APW0TbLG1D67C4r9jU by EnricoilLeone@mastodon.online
2022-11-11T05:44:43Z
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@Gargron Hi Eugen, you do not think that there is a danger in spreading disinformation and conspiracy theories, and that fascism and polarisation might grow? Not everything is OK and should be tolerated.
(DIR) Post #APW0TbxBkBRH5ibRr6 by Gargron@mastodon.social
2022-11-11T05:56:37Z
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@EnricoilLeone Please see the rules of mastodon.online on the about page. Sharing intentionally false or misleading information, or promoting violent ideologies is not permitted. My thread is about content warnings.
(DIR) Post #APW0TcM0FvHwKgDGXA by EnricoilLeone@mastodon.online
2022-11-11T07:20:42Z
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@Gargron I am sorry, if I got it wrong, but I thought it was about mastodon.art that silenced mastodon.social and mastodon.online because they do not block a server with fascist content. But maybe I got it all wrong.
(DIR) Post #APW0TctKG1wY01nsTQ by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-12T03:41:19Z
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@EnricoilLeone> mastodon.art that silenced mastodon.social and mastodon.online because... they federate with instances that mastodon.art admins accuse of harboring "fascist content". Suffice to say, Gargron either does not agree with that accusation. Or doesn't think it serves the people using the instances he runs, to defederate from every instance that has a few toxic members, if the overall population is not. Better to only block those toxic accounts.
(DIR) Post #APW1lw4TmmIeeSJacK by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-11-12T03:55:52Z
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@EnricoilLeoneThere are many people in the world whose minds have been hijacked by bigoted belief systems. Some instances, populated by people with thick skin and a desire to try deprogramming these people, make a strategic choice to federate widely. So remaining federated even with highly toxic instances is not necessarily a sign of being "soft" on their belief systems, or even about supporting their right to "free speech". I explained this in more detail here:https://strypey.dreamwidth.org/3233.html
(DIR) Post #APWM2AP2GdF0ogwlwe by EnricoilLeone@mastodon.online
2022-11-12T07:42:52Z
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@strypey Yeah, our footbal god has said: "Every disadvantage has an advantage." and there are even more sides to each story.But if you, as a federation, agree, as a rule, that certain content should not be allowed, and it pops up, and it is reported, and then you take no action against it, what does that mean?Anyway, I think that I will not be influenced by racist or fascist propaganda, but at the same time I am wondering if democracies will be able to make the change needed to save Earth.