Post APQA20NF4OQNnF2HTs by TeacherGriff@mastodon.coffee
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(DIR) Post #APPvyc3jcFW69iOqO0 by adamdavidson@journa.host
2022-11-08T22:33:44Z
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I would welcome a chance to talk--here in text, on zoom, phone, whatever--with any admin who is thinking of or has already blocked journa.hostI fear that there's miscommunication about why we're here and what we're doing. We are working very hard to be good neighbors but want to know about any concerns.
(DIR) Post #APPvycaLezbXmretDk by joshtpm@journa.host
2022-11-08T22:36:28Z
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@adamdavidson do you have a sense of why other instances are blocking?
(DIR) Post #APPvyd1e1VRH9WQglc by adamdavidson@journa.host
2022-11-08T22:41:21Z
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@joshtpm some don’t want to see upsetting news without a content warning. Others are worried that journalists will use their toots in stories without explicit permission. Others are worried about being doxxed. and a lot seem worried that journalists will turn this into Twitter with all the hot takes and drama.
(DIR) Post #APPvydbRsO4wwZBHZg by joshtpm@journa.host
2022-11-08T22:50:06Z
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@adamdavidson that last point seems very reasonable. I get the sense the platform just isn't for me. Probably makes sense to bow out.
(DIR) Post #APPvye4W8JKaOimUsq by adamdavidson@journa.host
2022-11-09T01:25:45Z
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@joshtpm I wouldn't try to convince you to stay. Though I'd love to see you here. My overall experience is quite positive. I'm enjoying it. It doesn't feel like forced apologies to me. It's a fascinating moment--two (or 200?) different cultures coming together all of a sudden, figuring each other out. I find it cool though, yes, sometimes annoying.
(DIR) Post #APPvyeYILb9Nt4iHIW by rmayemsinger@mastodon.social
2022-11-09T01:27:30Z
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@adamdavidson @joshtpm Oh, no. Is the journo server being blocked? Or being talked about being blocked? Sigh. As a long ago former journalist and huge supporter, that would be a huge mistake.
(DIR) Post #APPvyezEjQhXEdJnI8 by josh@thebene.fit
2022-11-09T01:30:24Z
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@adamdavidson @rmayemsinger @joshtpm I’ve not heard of any reputable instance deciding to block journa.host. That said, admins like myself tend to see an exclusive, private server for a sector of professionals as a way for journos to try to export Twitter’s caste system to Mastodon.
(DIR) Post #APPvyfTMvOnuk5PrG4 by rmayemsinger@mastodon.social
2022-11-09T01:33:28Z
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@josh @adamdavidson @joshtpm And here I just want my feed to be full of the best and brightest journalists. (just like I want to see my screenwriter friends). Sigh.
(DIR) Post #APPvyfwRBK3YCF14ZE by josh@thebene.fit
2022-11-09T01:35:49Z
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@joshtpm @rmayemsinger @adamdavidson I mean, they’re free to sign up for regular old Mastodon accounts like the rest of us. No by-application-only club necessary.
(DIR) Post #APPvygIPrbdZIPIcpE by stevenpbrumby@fosstodon.org
2022-11-09T01:49:31Z
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@rmayemsinger @joshtpm @josh @adamdavidson - that is an interesting interpretation of how the purpose of journa.host might be seen: “exclusive club for commercial journalists pushing corporate storylines”, whereas I think they were hoping for “community of verifiable, reality-based journalists connecting to each other and to the policy and research communities”.
(DIR) Post #APQA1zOygSDcmKq9Y0 by TeacherGriff@mastodon.coffee
2022-11-08T22:37:27Z
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@adamdavidson I'll say that one thing that would probably help is to abide by the community norms in the Fediverse - which means content warnings on anything that is controversial or could cause stress. Several journas have already said they don't want to/are not going to follow that norm, and that's probably what's getting your instance blocked.
(DIR) Post #APQA1zrgxhBgDOH5Iu by vy@mastodon.social
2022-11-08T22:41:10Z
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@TeacherGriff @adamdavidson seems like controversial would be instance dependent and political material is not universally controversial
(DIR) Post #APQA20NF4OQNnF2HTs by TeacherGriff@mastodon.coffee
2022-11-08T22:43:25Z
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@vy @adamdavidson These journas have been told that politics is considered controversial and CWs on political posts are the norm. They have two options: use CWs and remain (mostly) unblocked, or refuse to use CWs and get blocked - and get their whole instance blocked. That's the norm, so it doesn't matter if people disagree with what's considered "controversial." This also looks like a Fediverse norm, not an instance-specific norm.
(DIR) Post #APQA20tr78VpQOIKJc by sparr@mastodon.social
2022-11-09T05:51:28Z
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@TeacherGriff @vy @adamdavidson Can you elaborate a bit on "looks like a Fediverse norm"? What have you seen that makes it look that way to you?This seems like something it shouldn't be hard to get data on. Pick a term common to political posts and search for it on a well connected instance, see how often it comes up with and without CWs, and from where. Perhaps "polling data" or "election" or "candidate" or "gerrymandering"?
(DIR) Post #APQA21NHLk32te3pB2 by Mek101@fosstodon.org
2022-11-09T07:56:32Z
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@sparr @TeacherGriff @vy @adamdavidson It's not a fediverse norm. Only some instances are moderated by the terminally online
(DIR) Post #APQA21yr626cmBdpkO by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-11-09T08:00:07.376032Z
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@Mek101 @sparr @TeacherGriff @vy @adamdavidson it's kind of hard to have fediverse norms.we are quite diverseone could call it a parts-of-fedi-that'd-willingly-and-knowingly-have-a-positive-interaction-with-a-journalist norm.
(DIR) Post #APQCFfzHrXCkWpTgEi by Gargron@mastodon.tech
2022-11-09T08:25:04.160229Z
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Adam, most on both sides of the political spectrum welcome Jouranalists to the Fediverse. It is the extreme loonies on both ends that may feel otherwise. Eugen and I are opposites, representing two disparate sides, but both sides would encourage you to ignore the loonies for the good of the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #APQCw5354lLSPuTKe8 by sparr@mastodon.social
2022-11-09T08:31:26Z
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@dhfir @Mek101 @adamdavidson @TeacherGriff @vy I get the feeling the people talking about fediverse norms really mean mastodon norms (which also aren't a thing).
(DIR) Post #APQCw5TJVEKRjGkHXE by dhfir@expired.mentality.rip
2022-11-09T08:32:43.390450Z
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@sparr @Mek101 @adamdavidson @TeacherGriff @vy they mean "normal for the parts of fedi I see", which is kind of how norms work.
(DIR) Post #APQz8EI3KzXgLzKliC by captain@pirateradio.social
2022-11-09T17:32:45.594998Z
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@adamdavidson You're being blocked by at least 34 instances alreadyhttps://fba.ryona.agency/?domain=journa.host
(DIR) Post #APREQZbsJCXx05oKB6 by Gargron@mastodon.social
2022-11-09T05:07:20Z
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@adamdavidson Hey, personally I see absolutely no reason to block your server or demand content warnings from you. Different folks have different expectations about what content they want to see, every user has the ability to block a domain for themselves and nobody is forced to follow anyone.
(DIR) Post #APREQa7mOa4Eb2jnuK by escarpment@mastodon.online
2022-11-09T05:09:11Z
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@Gargron @adamdavidson Thanks, that seems like the right approach.
(DIR) Post #APRESkSIxK6dDVN5VI by Michele@mas.to
2022-11-09T05:10:51Z
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@Gargron @adamdavidson Very much agree 👍🏻
(DIR) Post #APREW9khMNBwXebFy4 by rmayemsinger@mastodon.social
2022-11-09T05:26:53Z
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@Gargron @adamdavidson I am SO glad to hear this. I read the rules on this server and didn't see anything about CW for politics. Thank you!
(DIR) Post #APREYDw8lyOq6CwCZc by ChristinaBinkley@journa.host
2022-11-09T05:38:37Z
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@Gargron @adamdavidson I like this place more the more I learn about it.
(DIR) Post #APRJmPNNXPf5P1GFyC by Relected@shitposter.club
2022-11-09T21:24:07.553038Z
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@Gargron @adamdavidson SEZ U :LUL:
(DIR) Post #APRqH8lqWVLtPcP5sW by konomikitten@mastodon.online
2022-11-09T00:47:33Z
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@joshtpm @adamdavidson you should ignore anyone calling for you to use content warnings the only thing that matters is you follow you instances rules, if people don't like your "behaviour" they can just not follow you or block.I seldom use content warnings because I don't find many things bad enough to use them.People will find interest in your work if it's good and you shouldn't be discouraged by cultural norms that may end up being temporary on this platform.
(DIR) Post #APRqH9AJ3YuydTqd0K by JamesGleick@sciencemastodon.com
2022-11-10T02:48:21Z
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@adamdavidson @joshtpm @konomikitten I agree with this (as a Mastodon newbie). I want to hear political content. I want to hear journalists. If my instance blocked journa.host I’d find a better instance. We can all follow or ignore the people we want to follow or ignore.
(DIR) Post #APRqH9WzhD49lqSkMq by adamdavidson@journa.host
2022-11-10T02:51:30Z
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@JamesGleick @joshtpm @konomikitten Obv. that's how I am behaving--or, rather, I just have the CW content automatically shown. But I do understand that boosts can push content into someones feed that they don't want to see. There was a chunk of yesterday where I wanted to tune out the political guessing. I could do that here. Not on the other place.
(DIR) Post #APRqH9ye2PBT9bOpSy by mathewi@journa.host
2022-11-10T02:57:28Z
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@adamdavidson @JamesGleick @joshtpm @konomikitten I confess that I thought the CW approach was odd when I first learned about it, and it seemed kind of unnecessary, but the idea has grown on me
(DIR) Post #APRqHATUBjr0hFpSXQ by dannagal@mastodon.social
2022-11-10T03:05:47Z
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@mathewi @adamdavidson @JamesGleick @joshtpm @konomikitten i thought the idea of a content warning was a little ❄️-ish at first BUT now I sort of love it. Like… it’s on ME (the content sharer) to be compassionate about the preferences/needs of others … and to put safeguards around things that others might not feel comfortable with. It’s not that hard… and it changes how you think about your role as part of a community.❤️
(DIR) Post #APRqHAwuQLOEAVaxOq by captain@pirateradio.social
2022-11-10T03:28:10.966880Z
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@dannagal @mathewi @adamdavidson @JamesGleick @joshtpm @konomikitten Half the fediverse just calls it the subject line. Little less ❄️ to think of it as "contents-at-a-glance", but if there are people sensitive to the subject matter then fine. I personally don't go out of my way to use subject lines
(DIR) Post #APRqMgXCPy2DZoCFo8 by mathewi@journa.host
2022-11-10T03:28:58Z
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@captain @adamdavidson @joshtpm @konomikitten @dannagal @JamesGleick Yes, when I started thinking of it as a headline it made a lot more sense to me
(DIR) Post #AQ7RqP41gVgaJHEymm by AnnaP@dju.social
2022-11-30T05:07:41Z
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@adamdavidson yeah, well, I for one am super-curious what went on. can I get details?I read in a newspaper article your server was defederated by 50 (in words: FIFTY) other servers for a colourful set of reasons https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/nov/12/joining-the-herd-whats-it-like-moving-from-twitter-to-mastodonjust what on earth did you guys do? did you start your server with livestreaming a #drumpf rally or what? @Gargron
(DIR) Post #AQ7RsllgF5M7Iwmu6C by Gargron@mastodon.social
2022-11-30T05:09:08Z
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@AnnaP @adamdavidson For what it's worth, there are over 6,000 servers out there with varying amount of users on them, some people self-host Mastodon just for themselves, so 50 on its own doesn't mean much.