Post APPpuE2oMSw2n8Ub68 by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
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(DIR) Post #APPZen8qVJWrkBvxFA by jerry@infosec.exchange
2022-11-09T01:04:57Z
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Why do some many people want to create search engines for the fediverse.
(DIR) Post #APPZenZQuSnR4eNBgW by munin@infosec.exchange
2022-11-09T01:09:49Z
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@jerry Because social networks frequently contain significant amounts of information from persons with expertise, and when you're looking -for- that information - and maybe looking for ways to talk to the experts who are producing it - it's kind of nice to have one place to go look for it instead of thousands.
(DIR) Post #APPZh7MeHu8H2hV0ka by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2022-11-09T01:13:01.528324Z
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@munin @jerry lot of us discover artwork on here and twitter too, making that searchable helps a lot
(DIR) Post #APPpuE2oMSw2n8Ub68 by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2022-11-09T01:10:32Z
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@jerry Because there isn't a native search.
(DIR) Post #APQi4n6AHTplvkY2XA by jerry@infosec.exchange
2022-11-09T01:12:25Z
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@leakix I am doing this publicly so I can take whatever heat I deserve for this. Perhaps I didn’t have the foresight to add a narrow rule disallowing accounts for projects that are indexing the fediverse/providing fediverse search abilities. I own that. I am, unfortunately, going to have to ask you to find a different instance to host on. I expect you’ll find that this a wildly unpopular project across the fediverse. It pains me, because at some level, I think it’s a useful and missing function, however it’s antithetical the values of the fediverse. Thanks for your understanding,Jerry
(DIR) Post #APQi4ni60SAvpOIKem by vanecx@mastodon.pirateparty.be
2022-11-09T14:21:31Z
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@jerry mistakes happen, thank you for this reaction
(DIR) Post #APnmxlrfYfVU0JmsIS by alexbfree@mastodon.social
2022-11-09T11:44:30Z
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@jerry @leakix@infosec.exchange I'm not an infosec person but am fascinated by this. Search is viewed as undesirable for a fediverse? I'm really struggling to understand that ideologically. The early internet was a sort of fediverse, no-one could find anything, so we built search engines.Every end user benefits from search, surely?From what I understood in the toot thread, the argument is that whole fediverse population should do without search, in order to make it harder for nefarious actors to search?
(DIR) Post #APnmxmZGwYNwBYBhGC by vbuterin@cryptodon.lol
2022-11-10T17:14:23Z
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@alexbfree @jerry I guess the theory is that having a really high-dimensional social graph where everyone shouts to everyone and there's close to no concept of distance and locality is part of what caused problems in twitter, and mastodon is intentionally trying to move away from that?Though lack of effective search is definitely not a stable equilibrium; will be interesting to see how long it lasts.
(DIR) Post #APnmxn5szITNohRk5w by vidarh@mastodon.social
2022-11-20T17:34:34Z
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@vbuterin @alexbfree @jerry It really won't last; it's too trivially easy to circumvent. To me the question is rather whether there's anything that can be done to create a happy medium that discourages the worst excesses. E.g. if a search can be provided that allows for user choice (opt in/out) that works well enough, can that discourage people from the effort involved in taking abusive steps to circumvent that choice?
(DIR) Post #APyUBMvrFyilGVuCvI by cy@mstdn.io
2022-11-25T21:26:07Z
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@vbuterin @jerry @alexbfree Easy enough to add an effective search, if all the Fediverse devs of every client weren't all blind sellout SaaSS worshippers. But instead they're just gonna wait until a big corporation does it, just to make sure that we don't have any other option besides Google. -_-
(DIR) Post #APycGJZPz0U9v5HLW4 by anlomedad@climatejustice.social
2022-11-09T15:42:15Z
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@jerry Am still new here. I gather, search indexing and search functionality won't be universal, ever. How about URL search? I find much use in finding people who have read and commented on a climate-related paper like https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379118307261Would it be possible and ethical to make URL searchable across instances? Tagging my instance admin @PaulaToThePeople and the admin of fediscience.org @FrankSonntag Sorry, if that's spamming. I don't know all the rulez yet.
(DIR) Post #APycJNSZyfuSqtXZEe by r000t@infosec.exchange
2022-11-09T01:40:04Z
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@jerryI'm mostly interested in shattering the illusion that dogpiling anybody who makes a search engine will prevent bad actors or surveillance states from scraping public statuses.
(DIR) Post #APycUPyows7XqxsyS8 by joshbressers@mastodon.social
2022-11-09T01:05:32Z
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@jerry We are all drunk on the lie that everything must be discoverable
(DIR) Post #APycUQXuqOC3boJ09g by awakecoding@infosec.exchange
2022-11-09T01:11:11Z
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@joshbressers @jerry it really depends on how you use it. I frequently use Twitter to *search* things and find the rare people who may know at bits and pieces of information I need for my work. I also use it to share my research findings (lots of reverse engineering, Windows protocols, etc). This isn't hashtag material at all - I wish for it to be fully discoverable and searchable for me and others to use as reference. Nothing beats old tweets that gave a clear answer to a specific, obscure problem. Lack of full text search in Mastodon kills that type of usage entirely. It's a nice place to chat, but quite unsuitable to properly share research findings that can easily be discovered and referred to in the future IMHO
(DIR) Post #APycUR6elDyzLYYkIy by gleeda@infosec.exchange
2022-11-09T01:31:30Z
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@awakecoding @joshbressers @jerry I’m also used to searching for things, often malware related, RE, OS internals, #DFIR, etc. I hope at some point we’ll be able to do that here too
(DIR) Post #APycURdcmeM0znz4gy by joshbressers@mastodon.social
2022-11-09T02:51:44Z
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@gleeda @awakecoding @jerry I think the answer now is to watch hashtags, and to encourage others to use themSearch isn’t going to happen here
(DIR) Post #APycUS4DBncaKGQJ8K by awakecoding@infosec.exchange
2022-11-09T03:07:41Z
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@joshbressers @gleeda @jerry we'll need full text search one way or another, because hashtags are never going to be enough for research type of work. You can be a software developer, a security researcher, a journalist, it all comes down to full text search being too important to ignore. Don't get me wrong, I can understand that this is the way it's always been done here, but that is just not enough for me and other people who used Twitter daily in that fashion.
(DIR) Post #AQMAnhwAH3R87r5iZE by jarich@fosstodon.org
2022-12-07T07:42:03Z
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@cy @vbuterin @jerry @alexbfree if you and your friends can write a decent algorithm that addresses the concerns raised above AND devise a set of social engineering strategies to mitigate all of the worst abuses by bad actors, then please by all means share it. If you don't, then stop insulting the people who created this tool that you're using for free, and who have spent more time thinking about these issues.