Post APImHyJES1gLYeN9Ky by jwcph@norrebro.space
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(DIR) Post #APIeaR7VGxL4UaBE4e by leo@twit.social
2022-11-05T17:03:45Z
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Look, just between us. I think it's a mistake to promote Mastodon too vigorously. Do we really want everyone from over there over here?If you know, you know. No need to recreate the hell site.
(DIR) Post #APIf7GuSFuemNhjYP2 by dswersky@hachyderm.io
2022-11-05T17:07:00Z
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@leo I don't think the haters and instigators will like it over here well enough to stick around
(DIR) Post #APIfERNti01ctavKwC by thegibson@hackers.town
2022-11-05T17:05:35Z
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@leo Let's restore the future we were promised, shall we?
(DIR) Post #APIfOLpRDgsoYoX06q by joe@toot.works
2022-11-05T17:07:25Z
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@leo There are still a few communities that I really want to make it over to Mastodon (urbanist Twitter comes immediately to mind). I do get your point, though.
(DIR) Post #APIfXnrqLEzw7yACDQ by User47@vmst.io
2022-11-05T17:08:54Z
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@leo I understand the sentiment, Leo. But critical mass is important. Also I imagine we want to foster an open and inclusive community, yeah? Otherwise we’re part of the problem. No tolerance for hate and whatnot, but I certainly don’t want to live in an ivory tower. PS you talked me into joining Twitter back in 2008. Grew up w/ you on my TV.
(DIR) Post #APIfmeTvWI6pMV3bIu by jazake@twit.social
2022-11-05T17:11:56Z
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@leo Definitely agree good sir. However with the caveat that promoting Twit.social on your Twit Network is definitely a win since you will get your audience and network here. Similar to the Discord for Twit Club members or the Forums.
(DIR) Post #APIfvtuJXMgPoGoGUC by bryanruby@fosstodon.org
2022-11-05T17:09:22Z
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A secret hand shake might help. I have a feeling we're going to find out how well moderation is or isn't in the Fediverse.
(DIR) Post #APIg4oKzcA0p8rXMhs by Lind@chitter.xyz
2022-11-05T17:09:51Z
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@leo Was the site hell because of the people, or were the people hell because of the site?;p
(DIR) Post #APIgCOiekMCs0MDtqK by adamsdesk@fosstodon.org
2022-11-05T17:09:52Z
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@leo Very good point. I feel it's best we don't have Mastodon main stream.
(DIR) Post #APIgRNimjtIzFmQcWO by MauryBizball@journa.host
2022-11-05T17:14:13Z
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@leo People are looking for alternatives. It’s a Catch-22, right? The other place wasn’t a hellscape until growth. And growth came about because it was a good thing.
(DIR) Post #APIgbhaPjiszl9QyKO by Keith@toot.community
2022-11-05T17:16:07Z
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@leo Too late for that. The riff-raff are already flocking over. I’m living proof.
(DIR) Post #APIgjmAsYt96J2L9aC by mcg@social.lol
2022-11-05T17:17:21Z
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@leo Similar fear as well. I think the incentives are different here and it’s harder to build the same kind of hellscape. At least I hope it is.
(DIR) Post #APIhhZOBE7Q61m4cTY by cupcakezealot@twit.social
2022-11-05T17:30:43Z
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@leo I think that the amount of actual posters will even out eventually (even Twitter has a lot of users but fewer active posters)I think the more important thing is educating people about the difference between the Fediverse and Twitter. I've seen lots of explaining how it works in Twitter terms but less explaining why you don't have to treat it like Twitter.OTOH I see lots of people who post om Twitter about how they didn't like it because it WASN'T Twitter.
(DIR) Post #APIhvV0eJ3yGUzi1ke by al@twit.social
2022-11-05T17:30:50Z
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@leo there are some great corners of the hellsite that I hope to continue here or elsewhere. Groups of real people who found each other around a common interest, and created friendships that expanded beyond that original common interest. Those communities seem like great candidates for shifting to mastodon or discord or something.
(DIR) Post #APIiOoEHvTViVT44m0 by Luther@hackers.town
2022-11-05T17:37:02Z
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@leo If you take a young individual from a broken home and put them in a healthy one they will, of course, act in the ways they've learned to by following the models that had been available to them. The difference is that once they're in that new healthy home they will get different feedback in a loop they think only ends up some other way. The human animal then looks for reasons for that and might adopt different modes of actions following new models. So yea. We want them here.
(DIR) Post #APIij6anMWznFZGoVc by jstevewhite@mastodon.online
2022-11-05T17:44:57Z
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@leo Eh, I'm only inviting my peeps, so. Of course, you know, a club that will let me join and all that rot. >:)
(DIR) Post #APIj51RDCvp9dOEqkS by garygouldsberry@twit.social
2022-11-05T17:50:23Z
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@leo I hope the perceived difficulty of joining mastodon might act as a filter, keeping the absolute numbers down (until someone finds a way to make money simplifying the process). I agree with the thoughts of @artsyhonker and @User47 in their replies.
(DIR) Post #APIjTL5NoCOFWNci5Q by khayes@twit.social
2022-11-05T17:51:01Z
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@leo keeping out the riff-raff!
(DIR) Post #APIjnVx97A7j16OIQi by Pinkladycrypto@social.chiefgyk3d.com
2022-11-05T17:48:01Z
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@leo accurate. Hoping the slight barrier to entry and inability for the problem children to “get” the #fediverse keeps it awesomesauce.
(DIR) Post #APIkFt1Yvhp6gAzA1Y by BalooUriza@social.tulsa.ok.us
2022-11-05T17:55:46Z
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@leo Pretty hard to recreate that experience if mods stay on top of things.
(DIR) Post #APIlRrjPf5ow6Clw4O by ither@twit.social
2022-11-05T18:17:34Z
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@leo I think the culture is different, I don't believe there is a risk to replicate all the bad things and the intensity. Mastodon needs to reach critical mass to achieve the network effect, we are far from those problems. It may have other problems in the long run but it will be different and that is enough for me.
(DIR) Post #APIm6258bAiFme5RdA by Moistcake879@freeradical.zone
2022-11-05T18:18:06Z
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@leo that’s a very good point.
(DIR) Post #APImHyJES1gLYeN9Ky by jwcph@norrebro.space
2022-11-05T18:21:30Z
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@leo No - but we won't. This type 👇 for example, won't migrate. Many of the worst d**kholes won't even bother being d**kholes unless it's super-duper-easy to do, in a way that A. isn't cracked down on, and B. bothers a lot of people in one go. It isn't my impression that you can even do that here, let alone get away with it.
(DIR) Post #APImSW2rsNBh5HkJd2 by bogart@mastodon.online
2022-11-05T18:25:12Z
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@leoUnderstood, but the good thing about Mastodon is that, it is an opt-in to look at dumb post from those people unlike the dumpster Twitter.
(DIR) Post #APImbcF6Ci5euXo2zo by bogart@mastodon.online
2022-11-05T18:25:17Z
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@leoUnderstood, but the good thing about Mastodon is that, it is an opt-in to look at dumb post from those people unlike the dumpster Twitter.
(DIR) Post #APInQgknBucjfez3wm by Bakaarion@fosstodon.org
2022-11-05T18:40:56Z
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@leo imo popularity is just one of the ingredients leading to a hell site.I don't think that this variable can be managed in a social network (or it's mostly a private club) :blobcatcomfy: Wow I like the emotes :blobcataww:
(DIR) Post #APInxSzFOfZ6WvNIae by pszNicx@twit.social
2022-11-05T18:46:01Z
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@leo I think Mastodon’s nature fixes some of the main issues with Twitter and in order to get out of Mastodon what we got out of Twitter we need high profile users. There are celebrities, leaders, scholars that offer a lot. They’ll only move enmasse when there’s enough of a general public here
(DIR) Post #APIstcVSYqVgfPQXWS by Dr_Mom@twit.social
2022-11-05T19:41:30Z
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@leo too true
(DIR) Post #APItBWJSKMS0fcLcv2 by cousinofjah@twit.social
2022-11-05T19:45:48Z
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@leo but I'm following Suddenly Susan star Kathy Griffin now
(DIR) Post #APIwEPMYvIPHqYry9g by ReneeBluejay@m.sclo.nl
2022-11-05T20:20:53Z
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@leo True
(DIR) Post #APIwbm74VLzD47lYgK by adnan@1210.nl
2022-11-05T20:25:37Z
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@leo All growth should be organic.
(DIR) Post #APIwybucb5OE5Ypbrk by supernovae@universeodon.com
2022-11-05T20:29:42Z
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@leo Need enough people to get "sticky" but not enough to turn into the hell site.
(DIR) Post #APIyF5vwqVk7mmsNVI by iDrew@twit.social
2022-11-05T20:41:06Z
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@leo Am new here today…am hoping for a better experience on #Mastodon 👍
(DIR) Post #APJ4FqaPzXfmCZY13Y by ukskies@fosstodon.org
2022-11-05T21:50:09Z
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@leo Easily solved. Create a few instances which could attract the troubled minds, a honey trap for the haters online if you like, and wall it off from the rest of the federation. Maybe call it welcometohell.org ? Or magahome.org? Just a thought.
(DIR) Post #APJ4aKMNutY62SZHmq by kaxline@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T17:15:06Z
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@leo I’m hoping Mastodon’s infrastructure is more “Can’t Be Evil”. No rage incentivizing algorithms, user controlled, etc. Humanity seems to be expressed differently based on the medium and this seems to bring out a more nuanced and balanced version. Less dopamine, more thinking.
(DIR) Post #APJ4l29ZwrqIl1gR0q by sautter@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T17:15:29Z
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@leo and who is going to pay for all the Mastodon instances? Twitter users are so used to free stuff.
(DIR) Post #APJ53VoyNqIDyyrA00 by karmajunkie@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T17:16:39Z
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@leo I dunno, i’m super ok with blackholing servers full of nazis and nitwits. especially if they’re small.
(DIR) Post #APJ83qR02khtmBUe5g by maethorechannen@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T17:37:35Z
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@leo All Twitter has to do is start supporting ActiviyPub federation and everyone over there would be over here. At least for as long as the federation lasts.I think it's the fediverse that's most likely to break from too many users, not Mastodon as such. With more and more people and more and more servers the itch to block entire servers will become stronger and stronger until there's nothing left but a bunch of inward looking islands.
(DIR) Post #APJ8JoD45BnjVeaUoi by vamp07@mstdn.social
2022-11-05T22:35:28Z
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@leo the problem is not quantity. It’s who you choose to follow.
(DIR) Post #APJ9MFzPrvEkCUw1KK by jkbecker@infosec.exchange
2022-11-05T22:47:40Z
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@leo yes, we do want substantial diversity of opinions in the #fediverse. The absence of algorithms driven by a profit motive will ensure that toxic assholes don't get amplified the way they do over there.
(DIR) Post #APJAxVCyLh5M4LbECu by pizzohistorian@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T17:50:55Z
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@leo THIS.
(DIR) Post #APJB6XsTnF1sxFKHeS by djloehr@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T17:51:14Z
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@leo Amen to that. I’m not too worried about those who follow me—careful curation meant I’ve had a relatively good experience there all along, it’s how I fell in with the whole Incomparable crew—but yes, I like how much more this feels like early Twitter.
(DIR) Post #APJDtXZttbMy7h7tpo by theotherlinh@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T18:10:47Z
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@leo maybe? but more because activitypub isn't really ready?
(DIR) Post #APJF5VZRHjvBKIBHoO by gwm@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T18:18:58Z
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@leo For me, Twitter has not been a hell site. I'm selective about whom I choose to follow, and overall the experience on Twitter has been good. For me, the downside of Twitter is all the advertisements plus being involuntarily served tweets from people I don't follow that Twitter nonetheless thinks I should see.
(DIR) Post #APJHpjwOOBHf7k5dqq by syler@twit.social
2022-11-06T00:21:15Z
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@leo I have shared your server as an example on Twitter, I hope your not getting bombarded with requests, anyway if you want me to remove those tweets just let me know and I will.
(DIR) Post #APJP0vUQURXTo5I3NY by oreuz@mstdn.social
2022-11-06T01:43:54Z
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@leo haha
(DIR) Post #APJQVMNVBUGBqD7wkS by geekiga@mastodon.social
2022-11-05T19:48:54Z
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@leo Those people have their own sites before they go to a Mastodon instance. I don't think they will come here...
(DIR) Post #APJU3YAm8brM88AYHg by MacMouth@twit.social
2022-11-06T02:37:50Z
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@leo The noise won’t follow because it’s quiet over here and there isn’t anyone to take the bait. Clean living!
(DIR) Post #APKKLel5aPX1Nt6r4K by sarahjanegray@twit.social
2022-11-06T12:22:41Z
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@leo Now keeping a foot in both camps. Love what I see here so far so could be the future. Guess we will have to wait and see what happens with Twitter. Not going to rush away just yet.
(DIR) Post #APKRH4hQPW7E4O9rhA by rumblestiltskin@cryptocartel.social
2022-11-06T13:43:49Z
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@leoBut this isn't twitter. It is technologically different. There are tools to shut out toxic instances.
(DIR) Post #APKcsaPSZgE6cyqQ76 by AdrianTM@mastodon.social
2022-11-06T15:53:29Z
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@leo people are the problem, but there is or should be a technical solution of getting rid of the basket of deplorable. Having different instances probably helps. Ultimately, I think a karma system like reddit (or a circle of trust system) would help. For example I see no point to see posts made by people that most of the people I follow banned.
(DIR) Post #APKg3Jmv0tEe7mcsXw by joshb@twit.social
2022-11-06T16:25:36Z
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@leo Agree as Mastodon has been around for a few years now, it's doing just fine even with the larger influx of people coming out to check things here.
(DIR) Post #APKh9ZEsa0aTjjFS2S by dsearls@twit.social
2022-11-06T16:29:56Z
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@leo fwiw, I follow >5000 entities (mostly human) on Twitter, and don't experience hell, I suppose mostly because I avoid politics there. Not that I think it's ideal. More that I'm pretty much of the same mind as David Weinberger (who probably has a handle here that I don't know) here: hyperorg.com/blogger/2022/10/29/why-i-liked-twitter/
(DIR) Post #APKigqUNZ7p0kMvjnM by nickapos@twit.social
2022-11-06T16:56:14Z
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@leo the majority of people won't come to mastodon, they will rejoin Facebook or tiktok or whatever else comes along.
(DIR) Post #APKowxK6WUPsIkBo3s by dantheclamman@scicomm.xyz
2022-11-06T17:11:54Z
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@leo it is a concern, but they deserve something better too, and some aspects of the design of this place will help discourage the worst behaviors.
(DIR) Post #APKr96hhfhmumJ9LFY by BayesicTony@twit.social
2022-11-06T18:30:17Z
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@leo That’s the $44 billion question, isn’t it? Was it the people or the algorithm and design decisions that made the birdsite a hellsite?
(DIR) Post #APLHGz0MmHea1cIMnQ by Domhnall@mastodon.ie
2022-11-06T22:55:57Z
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@leo I’ve all but abandoned twitter. I loved the site about ten years ago but it changed. I’ve been on here for a few hours and can already see what I used to love about that other place all those years ago.