Post APGShGXVQDNBwDueDg by fitheach@mstdn.io
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(DIR) Post #APGEHDVoeitJf5o6Km by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-11-04T13:00:37Z
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We really need a new way for people to quickly indicate the language of posts. Using national flags is confusing, and misleading.Example: I frequently see an MEP posting stuff about the EU Parliament. To indicate posts are in English he uses a (UK) Union Jack flag. Every time I see it I do a double-take. It is 2½ years since the UK ejected itself from the EU.An alternative solution would be to use emoji containing the two-letter ISO 639-1 codes.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-1_codes#politics #language
(DIR) Post #APGH7CPiBW8LDnrn96 by ginsterbusch@kosmos.social
2022-11-04T13:25:56Z
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@fitheach maybe just dont use any kind of image, but the CC code instead? You know, icons that are unreadable are no big help, esp. not in an accessibility context.
(DIR) Post #APGJ2LZitYMs60Map6 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-11-04T13:53:57Z
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@ginsterbusch Emoji have title tags. I presume screen readers read them out.
(DIR) Post #APGK3ZSUrVmbOl8AnA by ginsterbusch@kosmos.social
2022-11-04T13:59:13Z
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@fitheach I'm not using a screen reader though. Accessibility is NOT identical to "catering to the blind".
(DIR) Post #APGKya2VNKQXhp9pYm by kallekn@mastodon.se
2022-11-04T14:09:23Z
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@fitheach Aren't posts language coded by default in Mastodon? At least in the web interface there is a selection tool under the compose window. And in the settings you can select, which languages you want to see.
(DIR) Post #APGLPqcloxbWxh7eiW by ginsterbusch@kosmos.social
2022-11-04T14:14:06Z
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@fitheach ie. not everyone who required better accessible data is a blind person OR uses a screenreader.Eg. I'm an autistic person who is strongly sight-impaired. I dont need (nor would ever consider using) a screenreader, but having to comprehend potentially broken emojis vs. a precise quick "EN" / "en_UK" / "de" takes much less mental processing power, and thus also is more accessible.
(DIR) Post #APGLgPnaoJUEgf5IfY by ginsterbusch@kosmos.social
2022-11-04T14:17:04Z
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@fitheach If not obvious: People in the autistic spectrum that are not sight-impaired may still not able to comprehend emojis "on a glance" because of different issues, eg. slow proccessing of visual input etc.
(DIR) Post #APGOPmu3xJAlHdsF9s by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-11-04T14:54:13Z
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@kallekn Language can be selected, but, that isn't highlighted. That's why people use flags, I guess.There is also the issue of posts containing two or more languages.
(DIR) Post #APGOXk56KbvyqdpWJE by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-11-04T14:55:38Z
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@samgai Not something I do often, but, some do use two or more languages.
(DIR) Post #APGOkCMqzOqM3G4bA0 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-11-04T14:57:55Z
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@ginsterbusch That would be fine. Users are often more likely to use something if it is clickable, rather than being typed. Selecting something from a list is usually more reliable.
(DIR) Post #APGOtWpCIcxA6XmOaO by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-11-04T14:59:35Z
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@xarvos IDKIs the Mastodon language selector an ActivityPub thing?@samgai
(DIR) Post #APGPQtI5nAptL1Cfjc by pogodon@mstdn.io
2022-11-04T15:05:37Z
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@fitheach Many countries have multiple languages, country codes are a poor way to encode them, as you point out. But if you use emoji letters for language codes, many will map to flags. I don't know what metadata Activitypub encodes about posts, but I see in the UI of Mastodon ways to limit languages already. The labeling should happen on the protocol level
(DIR) Post #APGSPQQrtwtjPMIjK4 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-11-04T15:38:59Z
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@pogodon ISO 639-1 is a nomenclature used to classify languages NOT countries.The Mastodon web UI has a selector for language. I'm not aware of this being displayed. It is maybe used for language filtering. I've selected Catalan for this post.
(DIR) Post #APGShGXVQDNBwDueDg by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-11-04T15:42:11Z
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@samgai People use flags, I think, to advertise the language(s) being used. So, something visual is required.I could provide examples, but, don't want to pick on people.
(DIR) Post #APGbJPaP2AESdKy51k by pogodon@mstdn.io
2022-11-04T17:18:44Z
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@fitheach I don't have any language filters enabled right now, but that sounds like it should work. I know you were talking about language codes but what part of emoji did you mean? The regional letters combine into flags. 🇫🇷 =🇫 🇷
(DIR) Post #APGiotmJWtroveV6Mi by edavies@mastodon.scot
2022-11-04T18:16:28Z
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@fitheach @pogodon octodon.social shows languages codes against each toot. I assume that's because it's using glitch[¹] fork of Mastodon.[¹] Sorry - can't remember its exact name.
(DIR) Post #APGsIatbCKvEdn8uwa by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-11-04T20:29:04Z
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@edavies Screenshot example Toot?@pogodon
(DIR) Post #APGsgyvfUgyu83jv5U by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-11-04T20:33:28Z
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@pogodon Emoji would have to be created. One for each of the ISO 639-1 codes. I'm not fixated on the representation being emoji, that was just a suggestion. Including the codes as text would be fine. Whichever, the language codes would need to be selectable, rather than being typed.
(DIR) Post #APGt363tehBgcb8Lku by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-11-04T20:37:27Z
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@Sylvhem I just used that feature (I selected Catalan). There is no visual representation of the language. It might mean the post is filtered, for those who use the language filter feature.
(DIR) Post #APH3wgtDQoAMJFHlyq by edavies@mastodon.scot
2022-11-04T21:57:52Z
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@fitheach Good idea. Here's the top of my Octodon timeline showing the language codes top right of each toot.@pogodon
(DIR) Post #APHBsoP4LvkS5VqX7Q by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-11-05T00:08:28Z
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@edavies Thanks!Is that an image or text?Does that output come from the Mastodon language selector?@pogodon
(DIR) Post #APIHVqNJeKmYQSPvzU by edavies@mastodon.scot
2022-11-05T12:37:11Z
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@fitheach The language code shown is text. You can select the letters individually and copy and paste it as a string.Pretty sure it comes from the Mastodon language selector but I'll set this toot to Catalan and look on Octodon.@pogodon
(DIR) Post #APILkN9Gzk3dwS23Ps by edavies@mastodon.scot
2022-11-05T12:50:15Z
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@fitheach Yeah, Octodon shows it as Catalan.(Remember to set back to English in any replies!)@pogodon
(DIR) Post #APILkNZ9RWl3Ei8iki by fitheach@mstdn.io
2022-11-05T13:33:41Z
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@edavies Excellent. That would be a good solution. Only thing missing would be the ability to set two languages.@pogodon