Post AOxFqpeUIE1UV7LyD2 by noracodes@weirder.earth
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(DIR) Post #AOxFqpeUIE1UV7LyD2 by noracodes@weirder.earth
2022-10-26T04:02:00Z
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Looks like Gitea might be turning to cryptocurrency nonsense in the near future."To preserve the community aspect of Gitea we are experimenting with creating a decentralized autonomous organization where contributors would receive benefits based on their participation such as from code, documentation, translations, and perhaps even assisting individual community members with support questions."https://blog.gitea.io/2022/10/open-source-sustainment-and-the-future-of-gitea/
(DIR) Post #AOxFqqKJmhU2aqvNPU by fribbledom@mastodon.social
2022-10-26T07:59:48Z
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@noracodes I don't see any mention of cryptocurrency nonsense in their blog post.From what I understand they're forming a company, so they have an entity that can actually offer paid-for services. This also allows them to reward any of their (already hard-working) contributors, maybe even hire them.I fail to see how that's a bad thing.
(DIR) Post #AOxFqr5SxPCIx4z1to by humanetech@mastodon.social
2022-10-26T09:13:33Z
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@fribbledom @noracodes There's also the mention of an Enterprise version, which makes me wonder if that'll be open-core.
(DIR) Post #AOxFqrcQypZKbKPMHo by tyil@fedi.tyil.nl
2022-10-26T09:18:41.621Z
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@humanetech@mastodon.social @fribbledom@mastodon.social @noracodes@weirder.earth That'd be very sad, but honestly not very surprising. #Gitea wanted to be like #GitHub and #GitLab, predatory fauxpen source practices are a huge part of that.I hope they won't go that route, though. For those that for some reason like such interfaces, it is a pretty good solution.
(DIR) Post #AOxFsMCQlf1ljbxPAO by reynir@social.data.coop
2022-10-26T08:53:18Z
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@fribbledom @noracodes "decentralized autonomous organization" (DAO) is a term often used within the cryptocurrency space. It's an unfortunate connotation if it's not related to cryptocurrencies.
(DIR) Post #AOxQrgtvPhHB95BbcW by lpwaterhouse@mastodon.technology
2022-10-26T07:37:52Z
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@noracodes Remember: #gitea is a fork of #gogs, because people felt the original wasn't community-driven enough. You get what you ask for. I personally am weary of any project valuing the community more than solving the actual problem the project is supposed to address... *eyes #rust with suspicion* Then again, I am an #aspie, I rarely see value in communities at all.
(DIR) Post #AOxcE1n5WeA9ngqGEy by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-10-26T13:29:23Z
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@noracodes sad,, all roads leads to gogs I see..
(DIR) Post #AOxcFjK1ABtP6E3Xe4 by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2022-10-26T05:53:04Z
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@noracodes That would have me drop @codeberg in a second, unless they somehow manage a fork.
(DIR) Post #AOxcFjm1U4IIV59uIS by tokudan@chaos.social
2022-10-26T07:09:02Z
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@jens @Codeberg isn't gitea, it just uses gitea.Give them a chance to react.
(DIR) Post #AOxcFkKPQDneDjFMtU by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2022-10-26T07:11:04Z
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@tokudan @Codeberg Us. I'm a happily contributing member. But I'm also only *one* member, so I'll be part of that reaction.That being said, I've made my position on the issue clear enough, I think.
(DIR) Post #AOxcFkhS2YEPNC1loG by tokudan@chaos.social
2022-10-26T07:19:54Z
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@jens @Codeberg I'm a member as well and have a similar stance, but these things take time and wont be done "in a second".Trying to convice Gitea to turn around will probably take at least a month, then if that's not successful, some more weeks seeing if a fork emerges or can be started, probably followed by more time to migrate.I doubt this will be sorted by the end of the year.
(DIR) Post #AOxcFl8OQNmYikdHns by jens@social.finkhaeuser.de
2022-10-26T07:35:15Z
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@tokudan Today must be an off day where I phrase things particularly badly. Of course I won't drop @Codeberg in the next second.What I mean is, after this deliberation if gitea insists on this (etc, etc.) and codeberg ends up supporting it, I'll be out.I know there is plenty of debate to be had beforehand, and codeberg folks tend to be quite considered.
(DIR) Post #AOxcFliCHGQEVnNsbw by humanetech@mastodon.social
2022-10-26T09:11:58Z
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@jens @tokudan @Codeberg Folks, I created a #Codeberg issue this morning related to this. See:https://codeberg.org/Codeberg/Community/issues/775
(DIR) Post #AOxcFm4suuZPe9zzyS by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-10-26T13:29:24.011522Z
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@onepict - Nobody wants to pay for anything. Everybody wants to use FOSS because it's "free" and "open source" so they don't have to pay any money.I wonder just how much money Codeberg has given to the Gitea project? Or do they simply profit off the work of others.Much to the chagrin of a lot of people on the fediverse we do not live in a utopian anarchist collective. We still live in a capitalist society.Developers need to earn money.Rent needs to be paid.People need to eat.Gas and electricity needs to be paid.Winter is coming.They need heat!I don't fault Gitea for trying something that keeps the project sustainable and alive.But nobody has any right to bitch, moan, or complain here if they aren't already supporting the project somehow.And simply "using" FOSS isn't "supporting" it any more than offering "thoughts and prayers" does anything for someone that's suffering.
(DIR) Post #AOxce3zzwDV4B7IMRU by onepict@chaos.social
2022-10-26T13:33:52Z
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@gmeIndeed there is sustainability discussion that we need to keep having. We've always had this issue with funding FOSS. We all have a powerful need to eat. @tokudan @jens @humanetech
(DIR) Post #AOxdv0rkwIQlL45Ogy by onepict@chaos.social
2022-10-26T13:46:28Z
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@gmePerhaps projects also need to be more open and budget openly. Then it's alot easier to crowdfund ala OTW for archive of our own, or Wikipedia. Alot of us do unpaid paid for the projects we love or create ourselves. Including projects/apps like pixelfed etc, how do we ensure devs get paid, how do we ensure that devs are supported and not distracted from coding with admin/moderation/fundraising /support/ etc? @tokudan @jens @humanetech
(DIR) Post #AOxdv1Mx4JNstogJJg by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-10-26T13:48:05.226504Z
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Don't get me started on Wikipedia. That is one of the most mis-managed "projects" on the Internet in my opinion. So much waste and overhead I understand.
(DIR) Post #AOxdv2INcnJzlvYApU by onepict@chaos.social
2022-10-26T13:47:35Z
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@gmeIt's not just code that makes a FOSS project successful , but often code and support is the measure of what to pay for. Its how alot of our projects in the Fediverse are funded by the EU, but that funding is limited. Can we ask our communities for help, yes, but sometimes our most vocal supporters cannot afford to help. It's a hard problem to solve @tokudan @jens @humanetech
(DIR) Post #AOxdywP9T6Wwf0Zzyy by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-10-26T13:48:49.191068Z
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Then the Community should be open to alternative forms of funding I think.
(DIR) Post #AOxeRUCFQNuZZY9gbg by onepict@chaos.social
2022-10-26T13:52:01Z
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@gme @tokudan @jens @humanetech that's a whole nother discussion as alternative forms of funding can come with golden handcuffs for development. Which can stall innovation. But you start to see why these changes come out of the blue. Passions run high in FOSS.
(DIR) Post #AOxeRUcppXB8u0av32 by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-10-26T13:53:56.362368Z
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I was thinking more along the lines of sponsorships or advertising.Something like this on the splash screen perhaps:> "This version of GIMP has been brought to you by Shutterfly. Visit Shutterfly and mention `GIMP' when signing up for a paid plan to receive 30% off any new or renewed subscription."
(DIR) Post #AOxeaxIEc6UAQ6TFw0 by tokudan@chaos.social
2022-10-26T13:52:42Z
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@onepict @gme please keep me out of this discussion
(DIR) Post #AOxeaxjWycJtmlF3Ts by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-10-26T13:55:40.218072Z
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If I knew how to remove you I would. Until then you can at least mute the conversation.
(DIR) Post #AOy2fERTC5ERfHMXxo by fribbledom@mastodon.social
2022-10-26T10:11:13Z
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@humanetech @noracodes I'm indeed curious to see how they approach that part. It's a bit of a balance act, but if done right, I take no issue with that. Other projects have shown that it is possible.
(DIR) Post #AOyEFCDm1liShJJ9hw by tastytea@very.tastytea.de
2022-10-26T04:27:20.010Z
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@noracodes@weirder.earth There is nothing about cryptocurrency on that page. A “decentralized autonomous organization” is just a bunch of people without a boss, independent from the main project.
(DIR) Post #AOyEFCaSfPrdpfvH4S by packbat@weirder.earth
2022-10-26T04:55:35Z
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@tastytea @noracodes DAO is a cryptocurrency term, referring to an organization built on top of a cryptocurrency and theoretically enforcing some of its rules with code.Also, scroll to the bottom of the page - the very first sponsor they list is a blockchain company. There's no reason to think they aren't talking about the cryptocurrency scam here.- Packbats 🎒
(DIR) Post #AOyEFD5IokXBNKLu8u by tastytea@very.tastytea.de
2022-10-26T16:19:30.474Z
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@packbat@weirder.earth @noracodes@weirder.earth Quoted from techknowlogick in the Gitea General chat room: Yeah, hearing that from many others too (re: crypto and DAO). I want to be clear, (and feel free to quote this when discussing elsewhere, I will also mention it in follow up), I mentioned that as a possible experiment, as the community is the strongest part of Gitea and we (the company) want some way of being able to give back and to ensure governance, my understanding of DAOs is you don't need to shill some shitcoin, but rather it's a way for a community to vote on things and perhaps get additional votes based on contributions. I see now perhaps I was mistaken on my clarity, but my original thiking was that would be a way of being transparent with the community where everyone could see votes etc.. similar to opencollective where all expenses are public.