Post ANgyB8ixcnBPCR7Cs4 by edavies@mastodon.scot
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 (DIR) Post #ANgrARlwcSl0J8EXHk by fitheach@mstdn.io
       2022-09-18T13:34:40Z
       
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       September 18th 2014 was a special day. Only the result was a (bitter) disappointment.#Yes #StillYes #OTD
       
 (DIR) Post #ANgrpUdQsf8v3ipAqu by wim_v12e@merveilles.town
       2022-09-18T13:42:05Z
       
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       @fitheach What do you think the chances are for another vote?
       
 (DIR) Post #ANgswbJkX8TDlXZSa0 by fitheach@mstdn.io
       2022-09-18T13:54:36Z
       
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       @wim_v12e The Truss administration (or whoever comes next) won't make the same mistake (a close run thing) Cameron made.I did hear rumours they were considering offering a referendum, on the condition that a Yes would require 50%+1 of the electorate. The old "dead" voting No trick.We'll see...
       
 (DIR) Post #ANgyB8ixcnBPCR7Cs4 by edavies@mastodon.scot
       2022-09-18T14:53:02Z
       
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       @fitheach I'd moved to Scotland by then but didn't vote as though legally I had a vote I didn't feel I was well enough established to really have one morally. OTOH, I'd bought the land for my house by then so maybe that was being too sensitive.Maybe my vote would have swung it 🤔
       
 (DIR) Post #ANh02uCtuma1ldJxSK by edavies@mastodon.scot
       2022-09-18T15:13:58Z
       
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       @fitheach @wim_v12e That'd be reasonable, assuming we can redo the Brexit vote on the same basis.Apart from the obvious (likely not going the way I want in this case) some sort of bias towards the status quo in constitutional referendums of this type seems reasonable but setting up effectively a non-secret ballot (why would No voters bother?) seems much less reasonable.Maybe abstentions should count as ½ a vote for the status quo?
       
 (DIR) Post #ANhcSGHol3zhk78eFE by fitheach@mstdn.io
       2022-09-18T22:24:33Z
       
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       @edavies No, the margin was a bit more than one vote. Although, the Yes vote was fairly poor in Caithness.
       
 (DIR) Post #ANhciJ7xxkKFBhBKWu by fitheach@mstdn.io
       2022-09-18T22:27:26Z
       
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       @edavies Voting on the same basis as last time would be my preference. You can't make assumptions about what people's intentions are when they don't vote. Only the positive action of voting should be counted.@wim_v12e
       
 (DIR) Post #ANhfEHCEsTUKNDYHiq by lopta@mastodon.social
       2022-09-18T22:55:37Z
       
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       @fitheach When's the next one?
       
 (DIR) Post #ANhgAuvzI6w6PjueC8 by fitheach@mstdn.io
       2022-09-18T23:06:14Z
       
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       @lopta I wish I knew.
       
 (DIR) Post #ANij4rC8m8ss6EEJQu by edavies@mastodon.scot
       2022-09-19T11:13:14Z
       
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       @fitheach Yeah, it's difficult but I do feel there's a need for more than a simple 50%+1 to establish legitimacy, see Brexit.In Switzerland “[m]odifications to the constitution are subject to obligatory vote and require a double majority both of all voters nationally and of the cantons.” [¹] Requiring a majority of the Scottish parliamentary constituencies or regions as well as a simple majority might be a sensible counter-proposal.[¹] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_in_Switzerland#Constitutional_referendums_(Popular_initiatives)
       
 (DIR) Post #ANipXsj6l7PkyNsDAW by fitheach@mstdn.io
       2022-09-19T12:25:56Z
       
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       @edavies You may not have liked the Brexit vote outcome, but, there was a clear majority. Unlike Switzerland we don't have properly codified constitution which is protected by additional voting hurdles.Just like the Brexit vote a future indie vote should also be 50%+1. Anything else would just be an attempt to prevent the majority view.