Post AMzuOUkpshw15643Ky by birnim@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AMzVCR8d0FZzXKLXY8 by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T15:35:57Z
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Half of my country is under water. They say its even a bigger flood then 2010 flood. Its climate change and La Niña effect. Well my city is safe not much here but even Karachi had been under water. Even the Internet got disrupted in the entire country for several hours several times. And this on top of it that we were already on the verge of bankruptcy and political instability. If the elites still don't get it now then its french revolution like revolution for sure.https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/8/28/pakistan-monsoon-flooding-death-toll-tops-1000
(DIR) Post #AMzZFXSQMdeDoxLAmm by birnim@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T16:21:18Z
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@safiuddinkhan French revolution was nothing more than one upper class replacing another upper class in a violent way, by manipulating and pushing the lower class. What makes you think it will be different this time?
(DIR) Post #AMzZTGPgWy6d0tbVAG by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T16:23:49Z
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@birnim yeah I fully agree the bourgeoisie revolution... Eventually to be honest all revolutions are as such.
(DIR) Post #AMzpnUjSbLd6TtWRyy by cipherdragon@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-08-28T19:26:43Z
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@safiuddinkhan I feel the pain of farmers. Our family's paddy field was destroyed 3 times this year due to floods.
(DIR) Post #AMzsjExvZyS0Hmx6vI by shakil_tcs@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-08-28T19:59:32Z
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@safiuddinkhan @birnim Which is why it's not permissible to revolt against the Muslim rulers, no matter now sinful and oppressive they may be. We have to obey them as long as Allaah has kept them in authority over you. Rulers will only change if the people change. Pakistan is a place full of Soofee grave-worshippers, Madhhab fanatics, Ikhwanees, Raafidhee "Shhites" etc. Very few upon Tawheed and Sunnah.Like these oneshttps://imamdarimi.com/
(DIR) Post #AMzsw0dQAidjbXRuuu by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T20:01:54Z
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@shakil_tcs @birnim that is islamic extremism..
(DIR) Post #AMztEy3xxT2P87uCvI by birnim@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T20:04:52Z
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@shakil_tcs @safiuddinkhan > We have to obey them as long as Allaah has kept them in authority over you.Why do people get voting rights at all then?
(DIR) Post #AMztP947uD5y9LpkHI by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T20:07:08Z
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@birnim @shakil_tcs its jihadism or whatever you call it those people are loony...
(DIR) Post #AMztXAN6vuacW9XQMy by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T20:08:32Z
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@birnim @shakil_tcs its jihadism or whatever you call it those people are lunatics they don't believe in democracy... even though there is nothing about democracy and republican form of government which is against islam but these people are heavily brainwashed to think otherwise.
(DIR) Post #AMztdvw10YTLlk5iRk by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T20:09:51Z
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@birnim @shakil_tcs religious fascism another word probably.
(DIR) Post #AMztrkWSEeEyQdiu5Q by birnim@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T20:12:21Z
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@safiuddinkhan @shakil_tcs I am super cynical as well and I don't believe in democracy either (well, I do believe it may work in small communities, like Ancient Greek city states), my point is that if a country is strongly religious (not necessarily Islamic) and people are told Gog chooses their rulers (and people believe it), and at the same time they are given voting right, this is kinda hypocrite, since these two perspectives contradict each other.
(DIR) Post #AMzuOUkpshw15643Ky by birnim@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T20:13:24Z
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@safiuddinkhan @shakil_tcs I mistyped "God" above :blobcatfacepalm:
(DIR) Post #AMzuOVA0N84GL9q9ZI by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T20:18:15Z
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@birnim @shakil_tcs i am not much into democracy as well but i say... write your shit in a constitution or something and then follow that and don't give all the power to one individual. if you want a monarchy then have a constitutional monarchy, if you want a theocracy then have a constitutional theocracy. authoritarianism and fascism of any kind is just bad look at what hitler did to germany. it took them 1990 to come to some type of normalcy. and they still lost everything east of oder river.
(DIR) Post #AMzuc2ikuFNsBtYFiS by birnim@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T20:20:40Z
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@safiuddinkhan @shakil_tcs I see constitution and other laws in democracies as just another showcase of hypocrisy, as long as politicians are granted immunity.
(DIR) Post #AMzuqZYzaxvu6Wug5Y by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T20:23:20Z
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@birnim @shakil_tcs yes it is hypocrisy but at least there is something systematic going on and not like the entire country or kingdom runs on the whim of a single guy... what the fuhrer wants happens and its all about who is able to please the fuhrer even how crazy the act is.
(DIR) Post #AMzv2tHM7RmSj4XNfU by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T20:25:34Z
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@birnim @shakil_tcs imagine what kind of stupidity it would have been to persecute and kill the most productive group of people in your country just because of some conspiracy theories.. that is how stupid nazi germany was and how dumb hitler was and since there was no system to stop the nazis there was nothing no one could do as everything revolved around hitler.
(DIR) Post #AN0CCRdHSdiF6Bvybo by nova@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T23:29:34Z
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@birnim @safiuddinkhan @shakil_tcs you might believe in democracy if you were from the US.. It mostly works here.. But it's definitely under attack. I think we all need and block chain based voting system ASAP. A trust-less system by design. The corrupt be damned.
(DIR) Post #AN0CCS1O10zkIxDEBM by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T23:37:47Z
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@nova @birnim @shakil_tcs you haven't seen how bad things are here but we r still a hybrid country... Half authoritarian and half Democratic and half authoritarian... There are countries way below us and they are extremely authoritarian. The US may have bad presidents and its democracy may be a joke with all the lobbying and shit but throughout its 240 or so years of history it only had one civil war and no coups which is a good record so far.
(DIR) Post #AN0CZURJBuDsSsK5qK by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T23:41:57Z
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@nova @birnim @shakil_tcs the US system is bad but it still hasn't crossed the threshold from the Roman Republic to the Roman Empire yet... Britain has an even more stable system and the last major disruption was in the 17th century i.e the glorious revolution... No coups and no revolutions since then.
(DIR) Post #AN0D4T7Y8yqHLsqwFM by nova@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T23:47:32Z
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@safiuddinkhan @birnim @shakil_tcs for any democracy to work we need to have a functional voting system, which is impervious to manipulation. Control the vote, install your puppet politician, control the country.. However, if you're voting system actually works, the people pick their leader as it is supposed to be. That's when things start to get better.
(DIR) Post #AN0DiP7qPwH2Xo28Se by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T23:54:46Z
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@nova @birnim @shakil_tcs Pakistan I'll tell you overall it is more or less neo feudal and neo tribalistic in nature.. And that is how most people choose their candidates... The entire system is such a joke that the members of same family run for candidates from different parties. And there is the military oligarchy on top of them all which has the actual power.We had only partially crossed the threshold into a nation state unlike the US and western Europe.
(DIR) Post #AN0E5yhUJhszXQwjM8 by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-28T23:59:01Z
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@nova @birnim @shakil_tcs The country's population is around 200 million ppl it's the 5th largest in the world of which only half are registered voters and the voters turnout is at 50% nationally and elections are usually manipulated by the military oligarchy through media and through pro establishment candidates.. and through loopholes in the constitution put during the era of military regimes. The entire system is that of a joke.
(DIR) Post #AN0EBOBWzdy81cZxC4 by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T00:00:00Z
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@nova @birnim @shakil_tcs I mean to say at best the voter turnout is 50%.
(DIR) Post #AN0EJ5lVMTAZDK4uzQ by nova@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T00:01:24Z
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@safiuddinkhan @birnim @shakil_tcs yeah, that's a tough nut to crack. I hear the US southern border is nice this time of year.
(DIR) Post #AN0EMsvD3TZ6XTQUF6 by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T00:02:04Z
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@nova @birnim @shakil_tcs still our system is better than the Russian one or Chinese one which are outright authoritarian states with sham oppositions. China does not even pretend to be that and has no opposition.
(DIR) Post #AN0EsDbuBXcVgGL0PQ by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T00:07:45Z
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@nova @birnim @shakil_tcs Pakistan is still more democratic then 80% of the Muslim majority countries.... Lol
(DIR) Post #AN0FEZvJuEgfFq5560 by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T00:11:47Z
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@nova @birnim @shakil_tcs probably you have Turkey, Indonesia, Malaysia and Bangladesh which have kind of functioning oppositions and democratic institutions other than Pakistan.. The rest of them are outright authoritarian states.
(DIR) Post #AN0Ffgtg5RC6hXF0Pw by nova@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T00:16:41Z
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@safiuddinkhan @birnim @shakil_tcs I imagine, in most cases the vote is tampered, an illusion of choice. I believe it's also been this way in the US for generations. No politician will want to replace the voting system with something that can't be controlled. But, it must change.
(DIR) Post #AN0Fvj6TeQ3AB4sGMy by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T00:19:31Z
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@nova @birnim @shakil_tcs yeah
(DIR) Post #AN0lrAyjmVV5iT7zwe by birnim@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T06:17:19Z
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@safiuddinkhan @nova @shakil_tcs > Turkey> which have kind of functioning oppositionsGood joke
(DIR) Post #AN0pht0Zcos1BzoRYu by shakil_tcs@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-08-29T07:00:20Z
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@safiuddinkhan @birnim There's nothing called as 'Islamic extremism'. This term is as meaningless as "Islamic pork".No, this is the Sunnah.https://abukhadeejah.com/the-tyranny-of-the-rulers-a-reason-for-rebellion/
(DIR) Post #AN0pigb7FkDQzWHop6 by shakil_tcs@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-08-29T07:00:35Z
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@safiuddinkhan @birnim https://abukhadeejah.com/ahlus-sunnah-wal-jamaah-believe-that-rebellion-against-the-rulers-is-forbidden/
(DIR) Post #AN0pq3WePDBY80iCoK by shakil_tcs@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-08-29T07:01:53Z
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@safiuddinkhan @birnim Democracy is not the way the Khulafa ar Raashideen were chosen.
(DIR) Post #AN0puRiQPUDmJIJRvU by shakil_tcs@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-08-29T07:02:43Z
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@safiuddinkhan @birnim Democracy is not the way the Khulafa ar Raashideen were chosen.
(DIR) Post #AN0qKafdjoABc4Tc8W by shakil_tcs@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-08-29T07:07:18Z
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@safiuddinkhan @nova @birnim There's nothing wrong with being "authoritarian". The Khulafa ar Raashideen and Ameerul Mu'mineen Mu'awiyah ibn Abee Sufyaan were "authoritarians". They were the best of rulers of mankind after the Prophets (may peace be upon them).
(DIR) Post #AN1AsC3zjP4sDyAXPU by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T10:57:35Z
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@birnim @nova @shakil_tcs haha kind of opposition as in "opposition"
(DIR) Post #AN1BFWgzCRSGrdX5wO by birnim@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T07:04:16Z
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@shakil_tcs @safiuddinkhan I respect imams who believe that rebellion against the rulers is forbidden. By all means they should not start revolutions. But as soon as they start preaching their own beliefs to others, the value of those beliefs becomes null to me.
(DIR) Post #AN1BFX8HYxI0EIItUG by shakil_tcs@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-08-29T07:05:36Z
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@birnim @safiuddinkhan Are you a Muslim?
(DIR) Post #AN1BFXYVzQGzXeZqNM by birnim@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T07:08:59Z
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@shakil_tcs @safiuddinkhan I am rather atheist. And I believe that any religion should be practiced as personal example (the monk way) rather than brainwashing others into adhering to your belief and behaving like a pimp of God (power hungry priests with mercantile agendas).
(DIR) Post #AN1BFXwyWTq4lW1NVA by shakil_tcs@mstdn.starnix.network
2022-08-29T07:09:47Z
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@birnim @safiuddinkhan Then how will you understand how a Muslim land is to be run.
(DIR) Post #AN1BFYWQOgCAXSbgky by birnim@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T07:17:51Z
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@shakil_tcs @safiuddinkhan what exactly a "Muslim land" is? a country where the majority of population is Muslim? and if so, are they Muslim by personal choice?
(DIR) Post #AN1BFYvwrmbzocY4XY by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T11:01:48Z
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@birnim @shakil_tcs I have issue with the word "Muslim people" as well... There is no such thing... So much ethic differences.. you live in the UK even you can observe the ethnic differences between like Asian Muslims and Arabs or Turks for example.. Heck they don't celebrate the Eid holidays on the same day.
(DIR) Post #AN1BRMMpPjScJfkMQS by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T11:03:55Z
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@nova @birnim @shakil_tcs it's just like saying Europe is Christian World and they all speak European and have the culture.
(DIR) Post #AN1BjtENxwQHSDdLHs by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T11:07:20Z
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@nova @birnim @shakil_tcs We have ethnic differences as well and we hate each other as well on national lines... In case of my ethnic group Punjabi People they follow at least 4 different religions Islam, Sikhism, Hinduism and Christianity.
(DIR) Post #AN1C6fembIWY0yqMT2 by birnim@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T11:11:27Z
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@safiuddinkhan @nova @shakil_tcs lel, Christianity is a clusterfuck as big as Islam. You have Catholics and Orthodoxes who still hate each other, then you have the Protestantism that is quite big as well
(DIR) Post #AN1GxFLfXoQ5aNEF04 by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T12:05:47Z
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@birnim @nova @shakil_tcs yeah true
(DIR) Post #AN1HbWWf6Bt2RYZmIy by nova@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T12:09:45Z
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@birnim @safiuddinkhan @shakil_tcs Really? Maybe in your country? That's not the case in the US. People pretty much get along with each other regardless of religion/race.... The media would like you to think otherwise, but in reality is pretty peaceful. I was raised Catholic, but more subscribe to non-denominational Christianity, but I've attended service at Baptists churches too. The basis is the same across the board with slight differences.
(DIR) Post #AN1HbWxxShiloDLZqq by safiuddinkhan@fosstodon.org
2022-08-29T12:13:02Z
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@nova @birnim @shakil_tcs we get along with each other as well... only crazy fanatic people think of as such.. if we don't get with each other the country will fall apart.. In order to run a multi-ethnic and multi-religious country you got to eventually have some type of a compromise... if you don't you will tear yourself a part.. Even fanatically religious states either they soften up and reach a compromise or they tear themselves apart. the extreme case of course nazi germany.