Post AMnb5KNE1UWQMEeG1Y by eishiya@mastodon.art
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(DIR) Post #AMnVUr1XAUXL8QI7P6 by Elizafox@social.tulsa.ok.us
2022-08-22T20:25:17Z
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The problem with being an anarchist who touches grass is you see how people are outside the Internet and you're like "these people really need laws and threats of punishment to be a good person don't they."Sadly the answer is "yes" for a lot of people.
(DIR) Post #AMnVUtBB9bRLouoqiO by Elizafox@social.tulsa.ok.us
2022-08-22T20:26:20Z
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People can't even return fucking shopping carts to a cart corral.
(DIR) Post #AMnVUwGxeYqdPiY0e0 by Elizafox@social.tulsa.ok.us
2022-08-22T20:29:24Z
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I have a theory that a lot of people are born without a moral code and never truly develop a sense of right or wrong, and nurture can't reduce this number to zero.It isn't their fault, but for many of them the threat of losing freedom is pretty much the one thing that prevents them from going postal. They cannot be moral without laws or religion.Given anarchism is predicated on most people acting in community interest I actually don't know what to do about this.
(DIR) Post #AMnVUxw7T1MgZeoOR6 by Elizafox@social.tulsa.ok.us
2022-08-22T20:32:33Z
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This is why a lot of people ask "how can you be moral without religion?" They literally cannot comprehend it. They don't have an inherent sense of "I should or should not do this, because it is right or wrong." They have a sense of "I will face a penalty if I do this."Also explains basically the entirety of US politics.
(DIR) Post #AMnViZ9OPvsVkwVOfA by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2022-08-22T20:45:14.288514Z
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@Elizafox this is what people tend to call a "sociopath", but I'd like to stress out the part where it's not meant to be evil and harmful, just that empathy is not understood as a thing
(DIR) Post #AMnXI1DCB4yEsOkkQi by RandomDamage@mastodon.technology
2022-08-22T20:56:07Z
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@Elizafox I've seen estimates that the number of sociopaths is on the order of 5% of everyone.That's quite enough to make it necessary to take them into account when planning, and guarantees that everyone will have to deal with at least a few in their lives.This is why we can't have nice things.
(DIR) Post #AMnb5KNE1UWQMEeG1Y by eishiya@mastodon.art
2022-08-22T21:41:48Z
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@xerz @Elizafox I don't even think it's an empathy thing. One can be without empathy and still see contributing to the well-being of those around you as beneficial to oneself in the long term.Rather, I think there's an excessive focus on and celebration of individual achievement, which encourages selfish gains in the short term at the expense of long-term and communal gains.I think a lot of these people had a better sense of right/wrong as children, but had it "nurtured" out of them.
(DIR) Post #AMnb5KwftgsW8BEZHM by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2022-08-22T21:45:20.975785Z
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@Elizafox @eishiya Usually you'll see antisocial people claiming it's because they don't get anything back so why bother… which is not exactly nurture? Everything seems like a logical consequence from thereon
(DIR) Post #AMnbvCdk1OclQl6rGC by eishiya@mastodon.art
2022-08-22T21:53:03Z
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@xerz The expectation that they get something back, and the dismissal of someone else's benefit as one of these possible somethings, those come at least partially from nurture, I think. It's natural that we want some benefit from the things we do, but it is nurture that defines what is valuable and what is not.
(DIR) Post #AMnbvD7WEgRYv72dfs by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2022-08-22T21:54:43.746805Z
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@eishiya my understanding is that there's observable, physiological differences in brains which leads to how people value things, I am no psychologist nor neuroscientist tho :blobcatthink:
(DIR) Post #AMnbwezq4vmDfM8mCO by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2022-08-22T21:55:01.356845Z
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@eishiya my understanding is that there's observable, physiological differences in brains which lead to how people value things, I am no psychologist nor neuroscientist tho :blobcatthink:
(DIR) Post #AMncX0DYeiRZuKt2sS by Elizafox@social.tulsa.ok.us
2022-08-22T22:01:04Z
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@xerz @eishiya I have a sister with ASPD.She cannot feel regret. She had to ask what it meant when she was 16 and still did not understand.She's literally *run people over* before in her car, and the only reason she isn't in jail is because she knows how to charm her way out of literally anything.When asked why she disrespects the rights of others so much, she said, "they have things I want and I want them."This was not nurture. The other five of us siblings do not act like this.
(DIR) Post #AMncjn0B6RvagTj3cO by Elizafox@social.tulsa.ok.us
2022-08-22T22:03:18Z
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@xerz @eishiya The main reason she hasn't been locked away is she knows that if she pushes things too far she will get locked up. She knows the rules. She is capable of following them. She just... sometimes doesn't.
(DIR) Post #AMncy1VtwhN9kHLqW8 by xerz@fedi.xerz.one
2022-08-22T22:06:28.063592Z
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@Elizafox @eishiya aww, I kinda see why you posted that now… hope you worked stuff out, even if by moving on :blobcatheart: