Post AL3AnmhvprfS453V1E by urusan@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AL39oj5QgSt9Aavo12 by urusan@fosstodon.org
2022-07-01T14:10:57Z
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I tried Manjaro on one of my computers, and while there were definitely nice things about it, it is now deeply broken after several rounds of upgrades.It's also a bit frustrating that packages are relatively atomized. For example, installing docker gives you the CLI and you've got to set docker up yourself. (Admittedly, this exercise did lead me to realize that Docker Engine is proprietary.)I do hobby development on this machine, any suggestions for a new distribution?
(DIR) Post #AL39rWWhq2V75I1X3A by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-07-01T14:11:31.497471Z
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@urusan isn't the docker runtime called moby
(DIR) Post #AL3A1mwvdJNOunBSDo by js290@justicewarrior.social
2022-07-01T14:13:22Z
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@urusan for development, Debian makes the fewest package updates/changes
(DIR) Post #AL3AOQRxS4ppnJUXs8 by wedaly@fosstodon.org
2022-07-01T14:17:28Z
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@urusan I went Arch -> Fedora. Spending more time building stuff and less time fiddling with the system, but I miss knowing exactly how everything in the system is setup
(DIR) Post #AL3ASwhZTxhAyowy5A by urusan@fosstodon.org
2022-07-01T14:18:16Z
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@icedquinn Moby is the framework that Docker created. It's a sort of DIY open source docker. They also released similar open source pieces for everything.Docker Engine is a package that brings it all together cohesively.Since all the pieces are available as open source, there are alternatives to Docker Engine, but Docker Engine is often the default.This is also why Docker is often outside the main distro repos (ex. It's in RPM Fusion in Fedora).
(DIR) Post #AL3AWUXE9E8omRnoVE by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-07-01T14:18:56.650532Z
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@urusan on void the docker package works fine and it brings in moby :blobcatdunno:
(DIR) Post #AL3AXUjmsd1lhM9igi by icedquinn@blob.cat
2022-07-01T14:19:07.573417Z
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@urusan i think alpine does similar
(DIR) Post #AL3AnmhvprfS453V1E by urusan@fosstodon.org
2022-07-01T14:22:01Z
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@icedquinn Good to know Moby can be used that way
(DIR) Post #AL3Bzrnkp2PBIC6VGK by OpenComputeDesign@linuxrocks.online
2022-07-01T14:35:26Z
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@urusan That's the thing about Manjaro, It works super great until you install an update. It gets about a thousand updates a day, and each one is Russian roulette. At least in my experience, with at least a half dozen installs.As for suggestions, I always recommend pure Debian, or MX Linux. I like Fedora and PCLinuxOS too in the time I've used them, but I don't have near as much experience with them. You can also try out a *BSD if you're feeling adventurous. They're great, but take some time.
(DIR) Post #AL3CDwFD6IUj7rek7c by schipplock@nrw.social
2022-07-01T14:37:57Z
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@urusan Ubuntu 22.04 LTS :).
(DIR) Post #AL3CYeRgTHP20NMppQ by cruzin@fosstodon.org
2022-07-01T14:41:42Z
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@urusan I had a similar experience with #Manjaro. It worked fine until it didn't after maybe three updates.As for a suggestion, I have been very happy with #OpenSUSE #Tumbleweed. I know it's also a rolling release, but I've gone through many updates now with no issues.If you're wanting something more stable maybe OpenSUSE Leap, or #Debian.
(DIR) Post #AL3EAbI2keq9B1W8f2 by tulpa@fosstodon.org
2022-07-01T14:59:46Z
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@urusan Fedora? It's good enough for Linus. And it's definitely intended for developers.
(DIR) Post #AL3EbdP50AJnYBhQJc by josemanuel@qoto.org
2022-07-01T15:04:40Z
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@urusan If your hobby is NOT web development, I’d wholeheartedly recommend Slackware, as it is rock solid and it comes with 95% of whatever you may need already pre-installed. Also, it doesn’t atomise packages. Everything is as close as possible to what upstream releases.If you DO web development, Slackware may give you a harder time (it is pretty old school, so it doesn’t include flashy things like Docker, for instance), but it still may be an enjoyable ride if you know where to find good documentation and installable packages. (Case in point: https://alien.slackbook.org/blog/my-docker-packages-for-slackware-current/, for packages and https://alien.slackbook.org/blog/slackware-cloud-server-series-episode-1-managing-your-docker-infrastructure/ for documentation. Also, slackbuilds.org.)
(DIR) Post #AL3H61nr35ePouuMrI by torbuntu@fosstodon.org
2022-07-01T15:32:34Z
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@urusan Especially for Development, Fedora has a good mix of options available.
(DIR) Post #AL3O0UJCqsaqAdsUjY by futureisfoss@fosstodon.org
2022-07-01T16:50:00Z
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@urusan We have a little distribution based on manjaro called #Tromjaro, you mentioned the update degrading your system over time, I have been a manjaro user in the past and have experienced something similar. @tio is the maintainer of TROMjaro and he does this neat little thing called "release notes" where he explains every changes he made on the newly released ISO so that users can keep up with it - https://tromjaro.com/releasesLast release was a particularly big one, but its usually small changes
(DIR) Post #AL3axMTcoU8yPpagtM by Parienve@qoto.org
2022-07-01T19:15:06Z
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@urusan The problem with Manjaro is that they hold back packages, which get out of sync with the AUR, leading to the dreaded "partial upgrades". I suspect this is what happened to you.Distros like Garuda Linux and EndeavourOS avoid this problem by using up-to-date Arch packages. Garuda is the more opinionated, including things like having Timeshift configured out-of-the-box to do a system snapshot whenever you update.If you don't mind older packages, Linux Mint (my daily driver for the past several years) is a reliable choice. You get the practical benefits of an Ubuntu LTS system without the B.S. from Canonical. If you want a non-LTS release cadence, maybe try Pop!_OS.I've also heard good things about Fedora and openSUSE, but missing packages have kept me away for now.Finally, there are two Debian derivatives I'll suggest looking at: Parrot (Home Edition) and MX Linux. Both of them are based on Debian Stable but with additional backports.
(DIR) Post #AL3b3sMr9mmN3pWzQm by Parienve@qoto.org
2022-07-01T19:16:18Z
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@urusan The problem with Manjaro is that they hold back packages, which get out of sync with the AUR, leading to the dreaded "partial upgrades". I suspect this is what happened to you.Distros like Garuda Linux and EndeavourOS avoid this problem by using up-to-date Arch packages. Garuda is more opinionated, including things like having Timeshift configured out-of-the-box to do a system snapshot whenever you update.If you don't mind older packages, Linux Mint (my daily driver for the past several years) is a reliable choice. You get the practical benefits of an Ubuntu LTS system without the B.S. from Canonical. If you want a non-LTS release cadence, maybe try Pop!_OS.I've also heard good things about Fedora and openSUSE, but missing packages have kept me away for now.Finally, there are two Debian derivatives I'll suggest looking at: Parrot (Home Edition) and MX Linux. Both of them are based on Debian Stable but with additional backports.
(DIR) Post #AL3goBORFh899vAgOe by js290@justicewarrior.social
2022-07-01T20:20:40Z
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@urusan https://framapiaf.org/@debian/108573918809411544