Post AKUIgWTbVRfWMrMYCm by maplemuse@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AKUFlwfXFckHBgpzPM by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T18:02:48Z
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Am I the only one that feels bad when the new guy really puts in an effort and figures out how to do something in 10 overly complicated steps, when if he'd have asked I could have told him how to do in 1 command?
(DIR) Post #AKUGOdplDHMu474WuW by indieishere@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T18:09:50Z
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@mike Yes, you are. :blobfoxsmirk:
(DIR) Post #AKUGQaKlCHT1n0UytE by jinxd@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T18:10:09Z
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@mike Maybe he learned 10 things from doing it the hard way :)
(DIR) Post #AKUGRsSJJ32cHae8lU by Onorio@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T18:10:25Z
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@mike Yeah I usually preface those talks with “Wow, I can see you put a lot of work into this . . . but . . . “
(DIR) Post #AKUIaH3JwHhCnH5b0a by adamsdesk@mastodon.technology
2022-06-14T18:34:19Z
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@mike I can understand that feeling. It's the journey of learning that will remember this moment for the person along with your different approach will help change the thought process.
(DIR) Post #AKUIgWTbVRfWMrMYCm by maplemuse@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T18:35:28Z
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@mike It really depends. Did they learn something useful in their 10 complicated steps?Maybe a good topic for standups or 1:1s. How quickly to ping for help? Depending on deadlines, spending some additional time can work out fine if it's a learning experience, but if there are tight deadlines, you need to cut to the chase and get things done.
(DIR) Post #AKUJBUy9A0vkfaQ3NI by SonoMichele@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T18:41:03Z
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@mike I’m the new guy
(DIR) Post #AKUJyY2CYI5CMmhjOK by kpwags@mastodon.social
2022-06-14T18:49:55Z
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@mike sometimes those 10 steps allows him to learn more than just condensing things
(DIR) Post #AKUKP8gEvVK3YC6ybA by simon@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T18:54:43Z
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@mike you need a special section on the internal wiki for that!
(DIR) Post #AKUM9Uk5Kg7HFXZuHg by bookwar@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T19:14:18Z
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@mike I don't mind people spending time on figuring it out on their own. But the key thing for me would be: whether or not the person comes to you in the end complaining that there should be an easier way to do it.If a person just makes it overly complicated and goes to a next task not seeing or not caring about it - this is where you should be worried.
(DIR) Post #AKUMpBoO6eWIhSTLNY by fedops@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T19:21:48Z
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@mike mentoring PFYs means to let them explore on their own, offer hints, then let them find out how to improve. Afterwards, there will be two types.The ones that get frustrated and start to complain; you can let those go.And the ones that accept the challenge to become better and learn from the greybeards and are thankful for pointers; those become the padavans.
(DIR) Post #AKUX0S5sZK4xuI2GKO by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T21:15:55Z
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@SonoMichele I still FEEL like I'm the new guy, but then I remember I've been here for 12 years and there's virtually no one still around that has seniority over me. That's when I have a panic attack over just how screwed we are if something goes really wrong. :)
(DIR) Post #AKUYFU1llGbiCaqPzs by Tay0@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T21:29:49Z
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@mikeNo, no you're not. He could have asked.
(DIR) Post #AKUbslF9zDGWkjWpTU by MurrayWindripper@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T22:10:33Z
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@mikeI've been on the other side. New guy watching and suggesting based on logical half split fault-finding methods only to be told it couldn't possibly be the component I'd suggested. No credit given when proved correct.
(DIR) Post #AKUimxkzFT55VIb6rw by mike@fosstodon.org
2022-06-14T23:27:57Z
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@MurrayWindripper Ahh, that sucks. In this case, this method works perfectly well, but it's just very round-about. It gets the job done, so no complaints there. Just SUPER inefficient.
(DIR) Post #AKVEt2ljtvx5anLqEa by SonoMichele@fosstodon.org
2022-06-15T05:27:37Z
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@mike nooo hahaha
(DIR) Post #AKVVGhvcdV7jAnHOhk by pyratebeard@harbour.cafe
2022-06-15T08:31:09Z
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@mikeI would rather they try and work out how to do it themselves, no matter how complicated, before asking for help. It shows that they are trying to learn independently and not relying on you to always give them the answer.Then show them a less complicated way and they will learn something, which will help them next time.That being said, they should know when to ask for help and not waste time trying to figure it out. If it is time critical then getting help quickly is more important.
(DIR) Post #AKVzCWoD29QW9Xjf7Y by atommac@fosstodon.org
2022-06-15T14:06:33Z
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@mikeAs a former new guy, this is often one of the best ways to make the better solution stick in my memory. For better or worse 🤣