Post AK6PehsYWxo1Db36P2 by matt@oslo.town
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(DIR) Post #AK6HlbEgpPvV0dB5Em by nasser@merveilles.town
2022-06-01T17:30:00Z
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how many "accounts" do you have? how many have you had total since you started using the web?a key failing of the web as a platform is the total absence of identity semantics. there's no consistent way to "be someone" and have that "being" persist and synchronize across platforms. its a capital H Hard Problem for sure, but we ended up with the worst of all worlds: 1) needing to create accounts everywhere and 2) massively centralized corporate identity providers like google and facebook...
(DIR) Post #AK6Hlbc5QQdqBC7lho by nasser@merveilles.town
2022-06-01T17:33:56Z
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a recurring frustration in my personal and professional life is being shared a google document that i cannot access because none of my email accounts are gmail accounts. google docs and drive are unusable if youre not totally bought into their whole platform. the amount of hoop jumping i have to do just to read something a client shared with me is astounding. when i say computers are categorically less interesting to me this is what i mean.
(DIR) Post #AK6PehQuBlghpq71Iu by darrenpmeyer@infosec.exchange
2022-06-03T04:06:10Z
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@nasser @alcinnz openID was almost a reasonable solution, except that the standards folks working on it desperately needed a UX expert to advise them.
(DIR) Post #AK6PehsYWxo1Db36P2 by matt@oslo.town
2022-06-03T06:00:24Z
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@darrenpmeyer @nasser @alcinnz OpenID did need better UX but was quickly outgunned by Facebook and Twitter and Google once the tech companies realised they could scoop up more user data.A big question I have is why developers were ever okay to start putting "Login with Facebook" buttons everywhere instead of OpenID?
(DIR) Post #AK76SliAkfQ1etkJlI by darrenpmeyer@infosec.exchange
2022-06-03T13:59:56Z
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@matt @nasser @alcinnz it was absolutely a UX question. "Login with FB" let a user sign up or log in with a couple of clicks. People used that. People liked that. It leveraged something many people already used.OpenID had you typing in a URI after signing up with a provider that only did OpenID, and which people didn't know if they could trust. The UX sucked. No one wanted to jump through the setup hoops. It was badly designed. …
(DIR) Post #AK76SnIiqGFWaXr1N2 by darrenpmeyer@infosec.exchange
2022-06-03T13:59:56Z
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@matt @nasser @alcinnz … Lots of places had OpenID *and* one of those at first. Basically, the "Login with <big company>" stuff won because it was a massively lower-friction solution, so users actually used it.
(DIR) Post #AK7DzaoH0Iit5ECN4C by matt@oslo.town
2022-06-03T15:24:24Z
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@darrenpmeyer You're explaining a lot of things to me that I already know. The problems I have with what you're saying (or not) though is:A) You claim its a UX problem and is poorly designed. Yet that gives designers a bad rep. The problem is more than likely that there were few designers involved in how it worked / the solution was engineering driven. So many solutions are poorly made because UX is not considered and then the problem becomes a "design problem".1/2cc. @nasser @alcinnz
(DIR) Post #AK7EMxuPHxbFNrDEIa by matt@oslo.town
2022-06-03T15:28:40Z
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@darrenpmeyer B) There's a lot of people and companies that were quick to ditch OpenID and put in place FB/etc. logins because, as you said, it was easier and more streamlined. It's an interesting discussion though as to WHY or HOW we let it to the point where we are happy - as people who build the web - to hand over so much power and data to a handful of big companies.Usually its to acquire more users. But that greed results in a race to the bottom.2/2cc. @nasser @alcinnz
(DIR) Post #AK7EsNGN4X2gznSlLU by matt@oslo.town
2022-06-03T15:34:21Z
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@darrenpmeyer Footnote: I agree with a lot of what you're saying around this: it did need better design. But it was also a working and more ethical solution and I just don't think the right discussion to have is 'OpenID UX sucked' but rather to ask 'why did we let it fail?'cc. @nasser @alcinnz
(DIR) Post #AK7F0qF7D4z3BvufmC by darrenpmeyer@infosec.exchange
2022-06-03T15:35:49Z
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@matt @nasser @alcinnz actually what I said was that the standards folks clearly needed advice from UX designers; or in other words, it failed largely because it wasn't designed with any kind of consideration for UXNot sure how you got "it's designers' fault" from "clearly no one consulted a designer"
(DIR) Post #AK7FFyccL57tWS7gdU by darrenpmeyer@infosec.exchange
2022-06-03T15:38:32Z
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@matt @nasser @alcinnz and we let it fail because we tried fixing the problems but the standards bodies were at a transition between technical folk who are bad at human factors and corporate influencers who have conflicts of interestOr more to the point: it failed because we were collectively obsessed with the "right" solution instead of understanding that a solution no one will use will help no one.
(DIR) Post #AK7Fe3JmWwAr2NnE3c by matt@oslo.town
2022-06-03T15:42:56Z
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@darrenpmeyer Initially you did, but I was responding to your follow up post.
(DIR) Post #AK7FjwcAMmkxz6CYt6 by matt@oslo.town
2022-06-03T15:44:02Z
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@darrenpmeyer but anyway, I think we agree on things 🙃
(DIR) Post #AK7QRDildjbV26Yzyq by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
2022-06-03T17:43:58.927066Z
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@darrenpmeyer @matt @nasser @alcinnz Well, maybe because design isn't only for UI or UX, it's also on *designing* things like architectures and protocols, which aren't really user-facing. (Even if developer experience is still an important point)
(DIR) Post #AK7VCYQor8K4gzzii0 by darrenpmeyer@infosec.exchange
2022-06-03T18:37:14Z
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@matt it was badly designed. Because there wasn’t a UX designer involved. I think you’re reading a lot more into what I said than what’s actually there.
(DIR) Post #AK7VJ4E1Yq8b2J7Cr2 by matt@oslo.town
2022-06-03T18:38:27Z
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@darrenpmeyer You're welcome! ✌️
(DIR) Post #AK7W5z9zBK3xW5YJ96 by feld@bikeshed.party
2022-06-03T18:47:17.649498Z
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A wallet address solves this. Single sign on everywhere with zero effort. The server authenticating you does not need to touch a blockchain to validate your identity. They won't store an email address or a password for your account either.
(DIR) Post #AK7WCbZhGmFCOYjd8y by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-06-03T18:48:35.187300Z
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@feld @nasser single identities for everything have been deprecated for privacy reasons anyway.
(DIR) Post #AK7WFZP5nX5iWxBlA0 by feld@bikeshed.party
2022-06-03T18:49:07.338543Z
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You can always have infinite wallets
(DIR) Post #AK7WIDNK9j7f4xcfAm by feld@bikeshed.party
2022-06-03T18:49:36.990430Z
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Or even one-time-use addresses that are from the same wallet
(DIR) Post #AK7WKgBa0fdd0qIwbo by Moon@shitposter.club
2022-06-03T18:50:03.960940Z
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@feld let's fork an old version of metamask and explicitly make it with identity management
(DIR) Post #AK7X8OCt83xHjOcVXM by pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb
2022-06-03T18:59:02.686892Z
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@nasser this post glows
(DIR) Post #AK7XCmJhQn1NfHtmuu by mint@ryona.agency
2022-06-03T18:59:42.102022Z
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@pomstan @nasser Look at their /about/more for a laudy laugh.
(DIR) Post #AK7XGMULOzRciaaQKW by pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb
2022-06-03T19:00:29.303772Z
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@mint @nasser i remember it as a troon instance, anything i missed?
(DIR) Post #AK7XPGbAfatV3c1fbk by mint@ryona.agency
2022-06-03T19:01:57.325578Z
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@pomstan @nasser Not even a regular troon instance, schizo vegan troon instance.
(DIR) Post #AK7bdIlrmyXRfLybmy by mint@ryona.agency
2022-06-03T19:49:18.945230Z
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@bonkersbsd @nasser @pomstan Exactly. Fedi is fun and freedom, and I'll keep poking those who are trying to establish a thought police.
(DIR) Post #AK7vfW7n6rEIkBZ76O by pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb
2022-06-03T23:33:57.036914Z
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@bonkersbsd @nasser @mint I’m a part of a marginalized group of fediverse users on instances with IDN domains and your admin is being racist against me by not updating pleromafe
(DIR) Post #AK8HAb9eYXUsMJ69L6 by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-06-04T03:34:47.146404Z
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A big question I have is why developers were ever okay to start putting “Login with Facebook” buttons everywhere instead of OpenID?Easier to implement.More reliable. Some OpenID providers had availabillity & scalability issues.Didn’t require their users to sign-up for a new account.