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(DIR) Post #A65MhONrQWdnTFr81w by nurinoas@social.tchncs.de
2021-04-09T20:25:01Z
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Days ago, I had a strategy session with marketing. She recommended to nourish my #linkedin persona. And recommended to grow a community there.I told her that the platform gives me headache from the timeline & bad visuals.This week I learned about yet another data breach:https://newswwc.com/2021/04/09/linkedin-announces-data-breach-of-over-500-million-users/I want to keep & grow my professional network. But not this way.How do I explain them the concept of @flockingbird ?btw, #ms365 now searches your contacts on #linkedin from #msoutlook (no opt-out)
(DIR) Post #A65MsHdSrDCBj7LcZ6 by PublicNuisance@fosstodon.org
2021-04-09T23:46:54Z
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@nurinoas I had never heard of Flockingbird. Thanks for that !
(DIR) Post #A65vsFWWCrlTZWomIK by r3tr0@social.tchncs.de
2021-04-10T06:19:04Z
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@PublicNuisance @nurinoas Same here THX!
(DIR) Post #AJ3Nf4b0EvGVZ0zwVU by Coyote@shitposter.club
2022-05-02T21:01:57.615525Z
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@nurinoas @flockingbird I have a LinkedIn account that has done absolutely nothing positive for my life, or work. In fact, it's probably the least productive "social" platform I've ever been part of, it's a constant barrage of messages spam sales pitches in your messages, that LinkedIn then tries to push to you through notifications and reminders. It's the social equivalent of a pyramid marketing scam, I can't stand it, and no matter how often I try to clean up the notifications, they just keep increasing and in over a decade, I have never received a single client or piece of actually useful information. Just dozens of people trying to sell web site design, and amateur "business tips" from people who's only experience is their new "coaching" startup.I despise LinkedIn, the only value I find in it is that it's a modern day roladex that lets me keep track of where old colleagues are working now.
(DIR) Post #AJ5EVmhss2pwCjdHZg by flockingbird@fosstodon.org
2022-05-03T12:26:51Z
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@Coyote In that case: do you really look for a replacement? Why would a replacement not suffer from the exact same issues that you "can't stand"? If I read your comment correct, you don't want to use LinkedIn, but do want the "rolodex" feature?In that case: would a "fediversed addressbook" (or such, whatever that exactly is) be more what you need than "a professional social network"?
(DIR) Post #AJ5EVnWZpZO0jxLlaa by Coyote@shitposter.club
2022-05-03T18:28:50.693584Z
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@flockingbird Yeah, pretty much. I wrote a php/sql address book in the 90s that I gave my contacts access to update their own contact info if they chose to, basically that's all I want or need. I think flockingbird is a good project, but it's going to suffer from the "nobody ever got fired for buying IBM" mentality of the business world. The main issue is cost benefit analysis. Accessing contacts quickly is a benefit, however being subject to massive spam sales campaigns from web developers is a cost that exceeds the benefit of the service. To simply replace a system with an open source alternative offers no gain to the user, unless you can provide a significant advantage.The problem is the same as it always has been with these projects. They start off with great intentions like "wouldn't it be great if you could find a doctor, auto mechanic, hair dresser, of math tutor for your kids, that you have mutual friends with, that you could trust?" And then 2 months later, "this is the worlds greatest marketing tool" and the whole concept is over-run with sales scams, mass mailings, and garbage. The signal to noise ratio (I am contacting you because I want to pay X to get Y = signal, I am contacting you because I want 1 hour of your time to convince you to pay me X dollars = noise) is almost immediately reversed, and basically the whole system just gets exploited for marketing.Fix that problem, and you'd have a useful tool. How? I have no idea. But even something as simple as a two button "yes/no" choice for users to flag messages as "is this an unrequested attempt to sell a product or service?" on messages that the results ratio of are shown next to the users name would be great. I do not mind people asking me questions if they need information I have, or need my skills, that was the whole point of joining, to keep track of experts i know in various topics. But, the cost of dealing with the constant barrage of sales pitches makes LinkedIn at totally worthless place I only go when I can't find contact information for someone in some other way.So, if you're building an open source marketing machine, IMHO, you are building a mechanism of evil and spam. Significant thought should go into how to make it useful, and not something people would prefer to avoid. IMHO, people won't leave LinkedIn for a more exploitable marketing machine, other than mass marketing spammers who hardly anyone wants contact with in the first place.Again, IMHO.
(DIR) Post #AJHqLrEKvO2FBWu7kW by flockingbird@fosstodon.org
2022-05-09T12:35:17Z
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@Coyote You are the first (and only person) to confirm my initial goal for Flockingbird though: "a selfhostable rolodex on steroids."We found out (the hard way) that LinkedIn is a very different solution to very different problems depending on who you ask. "Professional social networking" is broader than anticipated. So we still don't know for certain "what to build first".(well, based on feedback: a place to find jobs and show that you are #forhire), which is why the first goal is @hunter2