Post AJ4cRtN2MAXLSHbAFE by brunofontes@fosstodon.org
(DIR) More posts by brunofontes@fosstodon.org
(DIR) Post #AJ4UbjJHohghW21Ydk by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T09:54:24Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
Does anyone know of a VPS-provider that is not blocked by Microsoft, Gmail and similar?Vultr is hard blocked, and so is DigitalOcean.Well, if you are working for a provider, and/or is owning one - feel free to pitch them to me :)#askfediverse #askfedi
(DIR) Post #AJ4UdlSAopfCk59QzA by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T09:54:48Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
Basically,I am in a need of sending emails from a reputable IP.
(DIR) Post #AJ4UlodQsEAOvVFyJU by Szwendacz@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T09:56:13Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea How badly treated are ips from those vps-providers? Mails go to spam, or do not arrive at all?
(DIR) Post #AJ4V1Lzj7rCKjW5sGG by algernon@trunk.mad-scientist.club
2022-05-03T09:59:01Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea For e-mail purposes? All of them are.I tried Vultr, DigitalOcean, Hetzner, Gandi, AWS, Google Cloud, Azure, 5 hungarian ones. All VPS ranges were at least soft-blocked. Microsoft had most of them hard blocked, Gmail was more lenient: they only put everything into spam, and only rejected half my mail, whee!I ended up relaying through SMTP2Go, and no bounces or ending up in spam so far. Tried SendGrid too, but that didn't work out, despite hearing good things about them.
(DIR) Post #AJ4VBOs9HUJOYQL7RY by margio@indieweb.social
2022-05-03T10:00:43Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea I always end up using Mailgun/Sendgrid/SES/etc. No other way.
(DIR) Post #AJ4VDo54WmBNJeX2m0 by sj_zero@social.fbxl.net
2022-05-03T10:01:22.978314Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea I'm using mxrouting for my email. At the time they had a lifetime email hosting deal for a reasonable price and my isp blocked port 25 so it was a clear choice.I'm using my own domain and can create mail addresses at will, so it works well for me.
(DIR) Post #AJ4VetX8MZGI2tZf7I by TrechNex@mstdn.social
2022-05-03T10:06:09Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
@selea I think Zoho mail and Fastmail are both still a thing.Beyond that you'd have to go old school and buy email services from your domain registrar or ISP.It's messed up that self-hosting email is broken because the main webmail providers automatically assume it's spam, even if it has the right SPF and DKIM stuff in place.
(DIR) Post #AJ4W3nrOaot3gqve3k by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T10:10:42Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@TrechNex I dont really want a "managed" email solution really.What I am searching for, is a ISP/VPS-provider with a good IP-reputation
(DIR) Post #AJ4W5F2p0XuQI3xWj2 by paul@notnull.click
2022-05-03T10:02:48.566251Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea I've been using OVH and emails do, mostly, seem to flow to MS/Google OKUsing Mailscanner/eFAI have done a lot of work with dnswl.org getting IPs and domains whitelisted etc. too.My main nuisance is UCEPROTECT Level 3 blocks - they blocklist huge ranges of provider IP addresses purely because that range (thousands of IPs) has a server that appears to be sending spam for a long period of time and the UCEPROTECT maintainers are pretty hardcore about it too.
(DIR) Post #AJ4W5GXhRECcw7PhUe by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T10:10:57Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@paul UCEPROTECT is a scam
(DIR) Post #AJ4Y4qao7RJaMXnN5c by draxil@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T10:33:17Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea Are they still blocked if you setup DKIM/SPF etc?
(DIR) Post #AJ4YKu8uggoA0SP9tI by swansinflight@mastodon.nz
2022-05-03T10:36:03Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea I am using Migadu and I can send emails to my outlook and gmail accounts fine.
(DIR) Post #AJ4YLpoiFx70sbOqSO by mrln@fimidi.com
2022-05-03T10:36:03Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea Good luck finding that. It's basically impossible if you don't own address space. If you do, you can sign-up your IPs for their JMRP (https://sendersupport.olc.protection.outlook.com/snds/JMRP.aspx?wa=wsignin1.0) and they will eventually allow emails from your IPs.
(DIR) Post #AJ4YoNAVqieuQUCjXE by mrb@mastodon.nl
2022-05-03T10:41:17Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea i use vultr and have not noticed a hard block (yet)
(DIR) Post #AJ4aLMFmN90p6AxaqG by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-05-03T10:58:39.699617Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
My mailserver is hosted at Contabo in their NYC datacenter. No issues with mail delivery so far. Very pleased.Had constant issues with OVH (Quebec) and even Linode (Newark) when I had my mailservers hosted there.
(DIR) Post #AJ4b1FIOdDCJgL9qyW by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T11:06:16Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@mrb I use Vultr, and I noticed that there is a hard-block against an entire subnet there :(
(DIR) Post #AJ4b5hwK4l85g5xdWi by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T11:06:58Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@mrln I have signed up for JRMP and SNDS but still, getting blocked :/
(DIR) Post #AJ4cJDxGSHqSgqPV1E by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T11:20:45Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@draxil It is a hard block from their IP-range, so it is not even initiating the connection
(DIR) Post #AJ4cRtN2MAXLSHbAFE by brunofontes@fosstodon.org
2022-05-03T10:22:02Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@margio @selea is that for regular emails? Because I use iRedMail (free) in Contabo (3 users only with 3 domains. About 10 email addresses total) with no issues at all. I receive their pass reports every day.
(DIR) Post #AJ4cRu2VrxiJWv0HtQ by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T11:22:15Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@brunofontes @margio I have been using iRedmail too, but I am moving my inboxes to a hosted provider.What I am looking for, is a machine that can just relay system emails, registration emails for mastodon, matrix-synapse, and so on
(DIR) Post #AJ4cSjyklBbUcJe1Fg by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T11:22:29Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@margio I dont want that
(DIR) Post #AJ4cYKqF8HygOPKcfA by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T11:23:27Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@Szwendacz It is a hard block - not even initiating a connection :)
(DIR) Post #AJ4ccE30KqNqTm9iVs by bjc@tines.spork.org
2022-05-03T11:00:16.831038Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@algernon @selea i used rootbsd.net for many years, and recently switched to panix.com. i don't send a lot of email, but i haven't had any issues with either provider.
(DIR) Post #AJ4ccEiTqdYoYPYqA4 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T11:24:08Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@bjc @algernon rootbsd seems nice, I have good experience with anexia too
(DIR) Post #AJ4chivgwa9NhqMBxQ by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T11:25:09Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@gme @TrechNex I used to recieve reports from fail2ban about failed logins, and between 2016 and 2019 - approx 20% of all failed logins where from contabo IP's lol
(DIR) Post #AJ4cqqIaujBRAUPxb6 by margio@indieweb.social
2022-05-03T11:26:47Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea right. Well, Hetzner could be a solution.
(DIR) Post #AJ4cxOm3eHzPpRKDtA by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T11:27:59Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@margio Yeah it might be actually, I also thought about GleSYS - Swedish provider too.
(DIR) Post #AJ4d33jMnhOYIjlWvQ by jakubiszon@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T11:28:52Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea why would vps be blocked?
(DIR) Post #AJ4ddu1lq7EGvDwTi4 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T11:35:39Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@jakubiszon It is common
(DIR) Post #AJ4e7NynYd18DMburo by draxil@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T11:41:00Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea oh wow!
(DIR) Post #AJ4eC1tR6NqvA8JhUe by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T11:41:48Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
I wonder if @OpenBSDAms has something like that, atleast openbsd supports node and npm
(DIR) Post #AJ4eTa7D7NLEDv8412 by FailForward@qoto.org
2022-05-03T11:44:59Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea @OpenBSDAms I am using a server within Hetzner’s IP range since couple of years and my e-mails generally arrive in good order to MS, G, etc.
(DIR) Post #AJ4eVLYcDP1peTmzMe by FailForward@qoto.org
2022-05-03T11:45:19Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea I am using a server within Hetzner’s IP range since couple of years and my e-mails generally arrive in good order to MS, G, etc.
(DIR) Post #AJ4eVerORoL3WDikls by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-05-03T11:45:20.233219Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
I can't speak to that.All I can tell you is my mailserver handles mail for about 14 domains for my various web projects and I used to get rejected mail from Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, Comcast, and AT&T and I haven't gotten 1 rejected/ blocked mail so far.
(DIR) Post #AJ4ei8mB2y3zmBEW6C by AIaYYAle4i1uKmKpqy.gme@bofh.social
2022-05-03T11:47:35.650207Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
Search the SPAM/UCE databases yourself: linycmx01.bofhllc.net
(DIR) Post #AJ4fxwRkks3w7mmK0G by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T12:01:41Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@gme That's nice, I'll evaluate that@TrechNex
(DIR) Post #AJ4gKKSo8ndCyzwlLk by jrtashjian@talos.link
2022-05-03T12:05:42Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea @draxil Are you certain it’s an ip-block on the other email providers and not an outbound block at your VPS? I know Linode has a block in place so you have to contact them if you’d like to host a mail server. The block is default on new accounts. I wouldn’t be surprised if other VPS hosts have a similar practice.
(DIR) Post #AJ4giiZq8hf0ierjEG by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T12:10:07Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
100% certain. The logs are clear :)@jrtashjian @draxil
(DIR) Post #AJ4gnClpp4RDWMcEWO by _xhr_@mastodon.social
2022-05-03T12:10:55Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea I have all my mailserver VPS with IONOS. You can select if your VPS should run in UK, US, DE or ES. Especially, with IONOS' UK IP ranges I never had any issues sending to the big email providers.Hetzner IPs were mostly on deny-lists, so I removed all my VPS there.
(DIR) Post #AJ4gpeNe8nPBjMT3vE by ulexus@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T12:11:18Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea i have a cabinet at a DC, along with plenty of directly-allocated IP space. Happy to with something out.
(DIR) Post #AJ4hBpeAvscz2nmB5E by waf404@ursal.zone
2022-05-03T12:15:21Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
@selea @gme @TrechNex I have created an account on Contabo in 2020 and, as I use unique emails for all services I subscribe to, I had to pass some manual validations with them, sending documents via email to prove I am who I am. At that time, I imagined this was related to people using their vps to malicious activities in the past, and now your story confirms my suspiscion. I have been using them since then and I can tell mailing works well on Contabo
(DIR) Post #AJ4izjPWUdLU8UHRTs by gunsrude@stellar.build
2022-05-03T12:35:33Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea I switched to BisectHosting ~6 months ago and with of course a full DKIM/DMARC/SPF I haven't had an issue yet, and I communicate with mostly gmail accounts. The boxes are way bigger than what's needed for a small mail server so when I started I sent them the link to the XCP-ng iso and asked them to install that for me, which they did with no issue. So now it runs all my home server stuff minus media. Seems decent overall so far.
(DIR) Post #AJ4jZGF4Q0y661KhXc by feld@bikeshed.party
2022-05-03T12:42:07.417466Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
how many emails per month? Free tier of SMTP2Go is like 1000/mo
(DIR) Post #AJ4jyNWcTf9FvKWCYq by knhy@social.prometheus.systems
2022-05-03T12:46:40.135418Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea strange. wdym by "blocked"? our company isn't blocked, or at least we don't have any trouble sending/receiving emails to those companies' services. we have also used OVH and HostGator and I don't recall facing such problems them. we're happy to provide VPS services though at https://prometheus.systems!
(DIR) Post #AJ4wV7SUQsUB6Gxu88 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T15:06:57Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@knhy Do you work for vultr? Or what do you mean?Some of Vultrs Network is Hard blocked against M$, unable to deliver email over port 25 to them.
(DIR) Post #AJ4wWJKDnXqEC3fLW4 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T15:07:13Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@feld Approx 100k,
(DIR) Post #AJ4wayxuvGJSUrSd0q by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T15:08:02Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@ulexus Ah nice, where is it located? Do you sell VPSes or similar?
(DIR) Post #AJ4wdAUX2XcGp6l55k by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T15:08:28Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@_xhr_ Never heard about IONOS actually, gotta check then out
(DIR) Post #AJ4zV5F0yadC5NKwtM by Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.technology
2022-05-03T15:40:34Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea @mrb same here, a friend and I ran a mailserver on vultr, and outlook.com and t-online.de rejected all mail from it based on IP/network (and gmail put it in spam lately) - despite it not being on public blacklists, as far as we could tell.We gave up and let runbox host our mail now - one less thing to worry about 🤷
(DIR) Post #AJ51R9VNNgoU3mF7se by feld@bikeshed.party
2022-05-03T16:02:13.875719Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
that's a lot of emails... 😵
(DIR) Post #AJ53DIvNlMHv7zvp1E by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T16:22:08Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@Doomed_Daniel @mrb That is the sad reality of cheap VPS providers :(
(DIR) Post #AJ53VBWvzegFPK1SNc by ulexus@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T16:25:27Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea that's the down side for you, I'd guess: Atlanta, GA, USA.I've got a bunch of machines there, she completely available, a kubernetes cluster, and i can give you a VM, if you'd prefer.Another option, if you just need the IPs, would be to just have a network proxy there to wherever else.
(DIR) Post #AJ56rECj21sJvylxD6 by knhy@social.prometheus.systems
2022-05-03T17:03:05.278471Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea I work for Prometheus Systems
(DIR) Post #AJ580E1x9AqjxJaVZQ by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T17:15:49Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@knhy and you have systems at vultr I guess?
(DIR) Post #AJ583uQHzNn2IojA9o by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T17:16:30Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@knhy Ah sorry!I understood what you meant now!
(DIR) Post #AJ587TVE1K3Jy7jj28 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T17:17:09Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@knhy what what
(DIR) Post #AJ588ADfCUYSS6qo88 by knhy@social.prometheus.systems
2022-05-03T17:17:21.544748Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea no we are a hosting provider. just saying if nothing else works for you we could always sell you a VM which (afaik) isn't blocked
(DIR) Post #AJ58BpD9Fc1QSFM6LI by knhy@social.prometheus.systems
2022-05-03T17:18:01.229610Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea ?
(DIR) Post #AJ58GtVQi5DdDsK8Qq by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T17:18:51Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@knhy I was kinda shocked when I saw the price, is there something that I am missing here? :O
(DIR) Post #AJ58kQs5jkIJ6O0aSe by knhy@social.prometheus.systems
2022-05-03T17:24:16.302159Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea the picture you sent is broken for me. our prices are variable, totally depends on how much power you need.
(DIR) Post #AJ59GdSGUHDZOaHexU by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T17:29:53Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@knhy Ah! Understand,I checked the site via mobile, but on a bigger screen I think I understand what prometheus.systems is. I like what I read too.I am unable to see what the following specs would cost:1 vCPU1 GB RAM20 GB storage1 IPv4The possibility to set PTR OS: Debian 11
(DIR) Post #AJ5DP3ZjehVUXY36nY by knhy@social.prometheus.systems
2022-05-03T18:16:26.507377Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea shoot an email over to contact@prometheus.systems with those desired specifications and we would be happy to give you a quote 😃
(DIR) Post #AJ5G2K1Me1vGkOp69I by Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.technology
2022-05-03T18:45:50Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea @mrb Yep.. and with vultr, I wondered if maybe it's justified? It seems possible that spammers like renting cheap vultr instances to run their servers and that maybe vultr doesn't fight it as hard as they could? If that's the case I understand blocking their whole net, as offending IPs will probably change often with VPSs that you can rent hourly if you want..However it's totally possible that this is *not* the case and blacklisting them is 100% bullshit, IDK
(DIR) Post #AJ5GOo5TXVVAMpT45o by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T18:49:56Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@Doomed_Daniel Yeah I kinda understand why thou, but it still suck..I have been lucky to have had access to a very clean and reputable network for a couple of years, which allowed me to basically have complete control over what kind of BS is passing throu the many different public IP /24 nets.And since I have a wierd obsession with SMTP, and keeping stuff clean,,, yeah@mrb
(DIR) Post #AJ5GXShcPuUieLR5xg by Doomed_Daniel@mastodon.technology
2022-05-03T18:51:29Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea @mrb Yep, it sure sucks.And at least Microsoft's blacklisting is definitely total overreaching. I recently tried namecheaps "private email" service and even that got bounced by outlook.com. Supposedly that's fixed now, but it made me very pessimistic regarding self-hosting, if even a non-small commercial hoster gets blocked :-/
(DIR) Post #AJ5Gj2riIxBzzZgINc by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-03T18:53:35Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@Doomed_Daniel The only option left is basically getting your own /24 network..Or get a more expensive hoster lol@mrb
(DIR) Post #AJ5i5dfgq42PHG3U24 by aryak@mstdn.social
2022-05-03T10:32:51Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@paul my ovh ip is LISTED on level 3 but ok on level 2(also for some reason the ip is listed as french even though the vps is in poland)https://www.uceprotect.net/en/rblcheck.php
(DIR) Post #AJ5i5eBavRYgsCyxlI by paul@notnull.click
2022-05-03T10:36:11.951550Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@aryak Yep, that will be because some random other person who happens to be on the same IP range as you (regardless of how similar your IPs actually are) has been spamming. Not your fault at all.The fact they see you as OK of L2 means they know it's not you, but you're affected regardless. UCEPROTECT's point of view is you need to speak to your provider who should shut down spammers servers to protect the rest of their clients.Oh, and of course you can pay recurring amounts of money to them to be exempt from L3 block, even though it's not you spamming in the first place and they know that.Ahhhh it drives me nuts
(DIR) Post #AJ5i5f3Th6ezZKBzkW by austin@ieji.de
2022-05-04T00:00:15Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@paul @aryak Isn't UCEPROTECT run by a scammer in the first place?
(DIR) Post #AJAPrv9JpbxBjmu00W by bojkotiMalbona@infosec.exchange
2022-05-06T06:29:32Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea Trilightzone was never blocked but it’s been several yrs since I used them. But I must say though, if a service blocks you from securing yourself then you should consider avoiding that service. Don’t trust them, and don’t feed them.
(DIR) Post #AJNMZMuuatG5Y16Xho by JulianOliver@mastodon.social
2022-05-12T12:23:49Z
1 likes, 0 repeats
@selea I have many VPSs across diverse datacenters with MTAs and find GMail accepts mail from any that have PTR, DKIM, SPF and DMARC sorted. Outlook rejects randomly anyway, but will whitelist if you poke them repeatedly demanding explanation. They never give one, but will do it.
(DIR) Post #AJNMeK7GR0YMJEFF56 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-12T12:24:46Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@JulianOliver What VPS providers do you use?Vultr is broken, sadly. And I dont want to be at DO either :PPreferable something smaller
(DIR) Post #AJNO10BinDZp7Mhvua by JulianOliver@mastodon.social
2022-05-12T12:39:40Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@selea Hetzner, Linode, DataCenterLight (5 figure outgoing email/day), Flokinet all fine, no issues with delivery
(DIR) Post #AJNO8lKXuvRBM1XGwi by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-05-12T12:41:28Z
0 likes, 1 repeats
@JulianOliver Flokinet sure looks nice!