Post AIEuhYDGJ2m3STRgPI by OscillatingAgama@gleasonator.com
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(DIR) Post #AIEm1gQgZGiJ95FWT2 by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T11:04:41.169022Z
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I'm gonna keep this public, because I don't trust them to act in good faith.
(DIR) Post #AIEmo5cUDKILAiqp0K by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T11:13:26.184858Z
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(DIR) Post #AIEn76v1bmfIhdam5Q by Jain@blob.cat
2022-04-08T11:16:52.052386Z
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@alyx socialism is not communism and anarchist views are also not compatible with communist views either so the accusation of propagating communism is not true
(DIR) Post #AIEnFlATqXVfqmwgam by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T11:18:26.013282Z
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@Jain Socialism IS communism. Please don't try to argue with someone who had his country under communist oppression.
(DIR) Post #AIEnR0URDicSYWdxy4 by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T11:20:26.713375Z
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@Jain Socialism has always been the name communist used to hide themselves. Every communist nation hid itself as "socialist". For crying out loud, communist Romania literally tried to call itself "Socialist Republic of Romania".
(DIR) Post #AIEnWUpRqfRo695Xv6 by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T11:21:27.605158Z
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@Jain And if you dare try to say Romania wasn't real socialism/communism, I swear I'm gonna block you. I will not suffer neither nazis nor communists.
(DIR) Post #AIEnjS8h9wyJWNGku8 by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T11:23:48.239599Z
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(DIR) Post #AIEnqBjeXzJCfkleu8 by Jain@blob.cat
2022-04-08T11:25:00.454490Z
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@alyx It is not, i live in a country where socialism is very strong, but has the form of government of a direct democracy. So looking at both our contexts, we should talk about the definition and limits of both terms, as well as its use in the general public
(DIR) Post #AIEnwqn8oWUpkAZmBE by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T11:26:11.168929Z
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@Jain No, you live in a country with social programs. NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE SAME THING!
(DIR) Post #AIEo1hWYhJ54Ru8Hce by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T11:27:06.038055Z
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(DIR) Post #AIEoGlcXkUpnUw7Fce by Jain@blob.cat
2022-04-08T11:29:48.677782Z
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@alyx never said that, you accuse me of having opinions that i do not support
(DIR) Post #AIEoLvY0GjLDjWS8yO by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T11:30:45.424688Z
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@Jain I've seen too many discussion going in that direction to not prepare myself for the possibility.
(DIR) Post #AIEpJLKE4THylcL9xw by Jain@blob.cat
2022-04-08T11:41:28.934597Z
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@alyx As I said, we should discuss the limits and definition of the term and how it is used in the current context of the accusation. It is quite common to speak of social democracy without referring to communist structures. If you research the symbolism of Antifa, you should quickly realize that this symbolism is not meant to propagate communism.
(DIR) Post #AIEpMxNV330LedawAS by dioma@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T11:42:08.885244Z
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@alyx all these Screenshots show is that you are the true retard for arguing with a communist.Pls stop. These people won't till they starve.
(DIR) Post #AIEpQlNJcJ5HaPK7e4 by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T11:42:50.062122Z
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@Jain >not meant to propagate communismI'm done with these stupid excuses. Stop.
(DIR) Post #AIEpSQL4ndUgvI4HxI by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T11:43:08.127652Z
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(DIR) Post #AIEpr9XqNPaY4opdBo by Pagliano@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T11:47:35.408003Z
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@alyx it was a special military option to denazify romania
(DIR) Post #AIEq5JlLBU4povto7k by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T11:50:09.867618Z
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@Pagliano Yeah, they denazified Romania strayed into one of the worst communist regimes. And from my knowledge, we're still the only nation that had to use violent means to drop the communist regime and move towards democracy.
(DIR) Post #AIEqAjJHcvHMVDM92W by Jain@blob.cat
2022-04-08T11:51:07.874109Z
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@alyx These are not excuses, Antifa is not communism. Please try to understand that other people associate a social democratic environment differently than a person who has suffered under communism.In our society, terms are constantly misused or used in a different way, there should be enough examples from the last 2 years. There have also been incidents where Antifa flags have been seen at anti-democracy events.
(DIR) Post #AIEqL0jXhXmJR7XbuK by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T11:52:59.768343Z
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@Jain >Antifa is not communistI'm sorry. I genuinely liked you, but I don't deal with such dishonesty. Go learn some history.
(DIR) Post #AIEqbYD50LRTtYFAki by Pagliano@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T11:55:59.335657Z
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@alyx yeah i was jabbing at russia’s stated reason for invading ukraine
(DIR) Post #AIErb9mDwjjm4T3fF2 by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T12:07:07.393738Z
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@Pagliano Didn't realize that, but it's also kinda true for what happened to us. I wouldn't be surprised to see history repeat itself if Russia does manage to win this thing.
(DIR) Post #AIEsuR4BzHCD9PDfKy by Jain@blob.cat
2022-04-08T12:21:48.537537Z
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@alyx Yeah, Antifa has its origins in communism, but has moved away from it. I think alone the modification of completely red to red black should be sufficient proof of this...
(DIR) Post #AIEt2oQT1QOVumdHc0 by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T12:23:19.572816Z
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@Jain You're just repeating the same stupid arguments from fedi.place. If I take the nazi flag and change the red for green, no one in their right mind would agree that that is sufficient proof that it's moving away from fascism.
(DIR) Post #AIEt70A9KJpTTSzvH6 by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T12:24:05.036349Z
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@Jain No amount of slight changes to Nazi symbology has EVER been acknowledged as anything less than just as offensive as the originals.
(DIR) Post #AIEtkg85EHrivQx0aW by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-08T12:31:15.116415Z
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@Jain >people bastardize words for political purposes, therefore that wasn't real communism @alyx
(DIR) Post #AIEuDcO4Doc9iWE6ZU by Jain@blob.cat
2022-04-08T12:36:28.341246Z
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@alyx idk what people wrote in fedi.place... i didnt read that. But to debunk your argument, the political orientation of Antifa and its symbolism has been adapted over time and is in general no longer to be understood as communist. And you can find that everywhere in history. The example with the changed symbolism should only underline my statement.On the other hand, National Socialism and Swatiska did not change over time, and you yourself use this fact as a knowingly provocative counterexample, which rather supports my argument on this.
(DIR) Post #AIEuY5W5d437qsjvl2 by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T12:40:11.040869Z
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@Jain > is in general no longer to be understood as communistNot my fault you believe the lies. Antifa is still as communist as can be. Please stop defending this shit. >National Socialism and Swatiska did not change over timeLol, of course they did. There are countless spin off supremacist ideologies, that use various spin offs of the original nazi symbols. But no one is stupid enough to think any of the spin offs isn't just as racist and fascist as the original, no matter how much someone like Richard Spencer pretends otherwise.
(DIR) Post #AIEuhYDGJ2m3STRgPI by OscillatingAgama@gleasonator.com
2022-04-08T12:41:53.386619Z
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I apologise for the intrusion into your little get-together. I have serious difficulty in classifying the burning of incidental property. Is this a democracy event or an anti-democracy event or maybe democracy has nothing to do with it?
(DIR) Post #AIEv6oPpCbJSwvMpP6 by Pagliano@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T12:46:27.563568Z
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@alyx @Jain
(DIR) Post #AIEvM3U5SXE01nd4kK by beardalaxy@bae.st
2022-04-08T12:49:13.410746Z
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@alyx it's not like antifa hasn't legitimately hurt a lot of people in the states either, even disregarding any communist ties... like, people have died, been pretty badly injured, lost jobs, etc. due to their antics. not even people they dislike sometimes, just randos. they're basically a terrorist organization, if not literally.
(DIR) Post #AIEvZMrKjd1Jsnqn1E by Jain@blob.cat
2022-04-08T12:51:36.115961Z
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@alyx But none of these National Socialism subcultures have had enough influence for the change to be widely viewed. Our conflict is that you don't recognize Antifa's shift away from communism as such, and apparently I can't credibly convey that to you. Perhaps people who ascribe themselves to Antifa should comment on this, I for one have tried enough.
(DIR) Post #AIEvhckdX5svUIeffE by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T12:53:06.737061Z
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@Jain What shift away from communism when they literally burn things in the streets and rant against the liberal democrat order of USA?! Again, I'm sorry that you believe their lies.
(DIR) Post #AIEvln90pigMsc2mTg by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T12:53:51.820995Z
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@Jain But it's good to know that if a Nazi derived ideology ever gains enough influence, where they manage to make their lies popular, I'm allowed to defend them.
(DIR) Post #AIEwBcdWWXNHordFoG by beardalaxy@bae.st
2022-04-08T12:58:32.547211Z
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@Jain @alyx if this fedi.place thing has taught me anything it's that, although there are retarded faggots on reddit, they pale in comparison to the retarded faggots on fedi.
(DIR) Post #AIEwIHeAxcIGkU76fI by Pagliano@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T12:59:43.942117Z
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@alyx @Jain one thing you should understand is that there exist a fuckton of people who gravitate toward antifa not because they think their enemies are actually fascist, but because it presents an opportunity to engage in mass violence and that appeals to underdeveloped brainsif it wasn't insanely easy to get people to want to kill each other for the most superficial of reasons, war would not exist
(DIR) Post #AIEwPAKQZLDG4t9rfM by Jain@blob.cat
2022-04-08T13:00:58.125389Z
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@alyx There are actions all over the world that happen in the name of a group / action / culture that I support and those that I do not support. Please do not draw conclusions from the general public to myself.
(DIR) Post #AIEwVVB7xiHsTqpUES by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T13:02:07.506857Z
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@Pagliano @Jain Thing is, they basically call anything capitalist as being fascist. So you are sorta right, that their enemies aren't actually fascist. But what can you expect from communists. :cirno_shrug:
(DIR) Post #AIEwgTNiz0PM5px9H6 by Jain@blob.cat
2022-04-08T13:04:05.858827Z
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@alyx One don't have to like Nazi and Nazi-related groups to be able to discuss them.
(DIR) Post #AIEwsKoOffT2zP5KOO by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T13:06:14.956817Z
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@Jain There have been no actions that antifa did anywhere except the ones that have been mentioned here by me and others. It has proven itself to be nothing other than a violent communist group. So it's hard to find any other conclusions to draw. But I'm glad you openly admit to supporting Antifa. I can now ban you in good conscience and without regret. I expect you to delete my account on blob.cat ASAP.
(DIR) Post #AIEwtex5HB8hk5mQJk by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T13:06:29.567607Z
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@Jain You're not "discussing" antifa or communism. You're defending them.
(DIR) Post #AIEwz37ErZie8J6FW4 by Pagliano@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T13:07:28.059572Z
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@alyx @Jain the appeal of communism itself arises from a number of facets and it's particularly popular among young people who think, "from each according to his ability and to each according to his need? well my needs are unlimited luxury and access to whatever sexual degeneracy i fancy, oh and my abilities are slam poetry"there are other reasons why it appeals to people, having a lot to do with the vision of a future utopia where people barely ever work and have access to everything, but those who believe in such a future have not yet grasped basic realities of human nature and of biological life itselfg2g though
(DIR) Post #AIExL9AT2gKdH39Aki by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T13:11:27.584337Z
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@Pagliano @Jain I get the appeal of communism, but just as I can understand from Jewish individuals why Nazism is atrocious and respect their wishes and views, as they have more direct experience with this matter, I expect westerners to have at least a minimum of common decency in admitting that we in Eastern Europe know better when it comes to communism.
(DIR) Post #AIExgf4ZcEFyJ4eIls by Jain@blob.cat
2022-04-08T13:15:20.126330Z
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@alyx Yes I will do it as soon as I can, i respect this wish. Unfortunately, I can't change the situation about the media server.I think it's a pity that you don't feel comfortable with blob.cat anymore because of my personal opinion. Each of the administrators has his own opinion on specific topics.I can also rephrase for you what I stand for, I support and am a fan of social democracy and I like groups that are interested in the same views from my point of view.
(DIR) Post #AIExs4OBpX2E0eGS0G by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-08T13:17:24.702271Z
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@alyx Communists adopted the Islamic practice of taqiyya almost from the start. Basically as soon as they figured out how juvenile and naïve Marx was.@Jain @Pagliano
(DIR) Post #AIExy7dkejIjpVQfp2 by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T13:18:30.246185Z
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@Jain Then excuse the phrasing, but it's the only one that concisely expresses what I think about you right now: you're nothing more than an "useful idiot", as antifa has nothing to do with social democracy. You're defending a group that is nothing but vile because you've been tricked by their propaganda and lies.
(DIR) Post #AIEya6c4vGGLeHl5fc by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-08T13:25:22.049735Z
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@alyx Nazism is vastly superior to communism even though Nazism is shitty. Antifa being shitty is why the Nazis were seen as a good alternative in 1933. Antifa today is functionally indistinguishable from 1930s German Antifa save for being far less competent.@Jain
(DIR) Post #AIEyzMk25x7CuRWYU4 by Jain@blob.cat
2022-04-08T13:29:54.928104Z
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@alyx In my environment, individuals and groups known to me stand for social democracy, and in my view, the general public holds the same views as I do when it comes to the question of definition.Therefore i will not excuse what i said now, should now Antifa-affiliated persons come forward, who have dedicated themselves to communism, I will probably change my mind.
(DIR) Post #AIEz1t1T2rknbgsgJk by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T13:30:23.315819Z
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@Leyonhjelm @Jain Honestly I can't even begin to guess in what way Nazism can be superior...
(DIR) Post #AIEzCBkCIIccZAiPc8 by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-08T13:32:15.118655Z
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@alyx It fails way faster and has snappier uniforms@Jain
(DIR) Post #AIEzMUeyov8C82BlhI by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-08T13:34:06.467281Z
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@alyx I was pretty specific about it being shitty. @Jain
(DIR) Post #AIEzuyvulv2VrgYTvE by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T13:40:20.721220Z
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@Jain No you won't. I've seen people like you. You'll just find ways to excuse their behavior and defend them. There are antifa people all over the place openly advocating communism already. You just refuse to believe it because it affects your worldview. Here's something about my worldview that has been affected and I'm able to admit it: Atheists activists have been wrong about too many things in recent years and have wrongfully attacked Christianity a number of times. I'm still an atheist, but I feel betrayed by the movement I sympathized with. It's hard to have such moments of introspection to be able to admit these things to yourself. I know first hand. I'm still salty and feel like I've been played for a fool by the overall Atheist community. But the evidence was and is out there, and I couldn't ignore it. The evidence for the atrocious existence of Antifa is there too. Maybe one day you'll be able to admit it to yourself.
(DIR) Post #AIF02EECIvS5KPYvFw by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-08T13:41:38.697803Z
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@Leyonhjelm @Jain >it fails way faster.... that... ok, I can't deny it, from my perspective that is definitely a benefit :laughing_cirno: As for the uniforms, that's not really fair, they had Hugo Boss on their side.
(DIR) Post #AIF0YJHV3GvGGdP92u by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-08T13:47:27.047297Z
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@alyx Yeah. I believe you said you were Romanian so I know you get why that's better. Shitty, but less shitty than several decades. You and Poland seem to actually remember that one being shitty doesn't make the other good, they're both shitty.@Jain
(DIR) Post #AIF1N32NCq7YekWUF6 by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-08T13:56:37.426689Z
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@Jain Social democracy is not generally good.You people love to bring up democracy to pretend it's unassailable and virtuous. But communists put "democratic" in their country names and force a uniparty system. Meanwhile, in non-communist countries, they stir up shit to get the dumbest and most ignorant voters to believe their lies about how great it'll be if you let them take over the economy. Never has it resulted in better conditions not because it "wasn't real communism" but because communist policies either don't work or are not intended to.If the "Antifa-affiliated persons" (this phrasing is one of many reasons I know you're being disingenuous) are not communists they are useful idiots. That changes nothing that matters about Antifa.@alyx
(DIR) Post #AIFDVfOPgTUjNdhxuC by Leyonhjelm@social.lovingexpressions.net
2022-04-08T16:12:38.519175Z
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@alyx Your expectations of westerners are unreasonable. Half the point of demonizing Nazis in the west is to also distract from how awful and oppressive the endgame of socialism and/or communism is.@Jain @Pagliano
(DIR) Post #AIG576cmh94q7iAS8G by cee@freethinkers.lgbt
2022-04-09T02:13:16.062016Z
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@Jain AntiFa is a left unity movement; Iron Front is a Libertarian Unity movement- they are still very much arch-rivals (only 'Merican leftoids dont understand this). :ablobrollingeyes: I used to be part of AntiFa (here in australia, they're pree much all Trotskyites, Marxist-Leninsts, some are members of the CPA and there are some Syndies).I left AntiFa since i got back-stabbed by the Syndies for being "too militant", even though they hated pacifists.@alyx
(DIR) Post #AIGDZRi8gmdhGNhGMK by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-09T03:48:02.084511Z
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@cee @Jain Somehow I doubt CPA stands for Certified Public Accountant (first thing that comes up for me while searching the acronym).
(DIR) Post #AIGDiKQ7AIcFG2V9GK by cee@freethinkers.lgbt
2022-04-09T03:49:37.560598Z
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@alyx Communist Party of Australia. I had my own anarchist affinty and one of the party members had infiltrated our group :blobeyes: @Jain
(DIR) Post #AIGE30h7hRxmA2JplA by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-09T03:53:22.739435Z
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@cee @Jain Now that I think about it, I wonder what communists thing of accountants, since they're basically the wheels that turn big corporations. :thinking_cirno:
(DIR) Post #AIGGYQTU6Gb10A30JU by cee@freethinkers.lgbt
2022-04-09T04:21:27.504606Z
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@alyx Also, I totally understand why Romanians and the Polish have a disdain for communism... and nazism, since they got screwed over by both pre-WW2.> Now that I think about it, I wonder what communists thing of accountantsAdministration is centralised obviously, every nation-state needs it's bureaucracy to run "smoothly" .So under the communist nations, u have the marriage between industrial unions and the state, private sector is cut out, there's no shareholding, equities and everything else is managed by the state alone. fascism is the marriage between corporate and state- so the laws tend to benefit shareholders and proprietors more.@Jain
(DIR) Post #AIGI1FhLLUWVvmq5C4 by alyx@kiwifarms.cc
2022-04-09T04:37:52.869750Z
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@cee @Jain >every nation-state needs it's bureaucracyBut here's the thing though, any accountant worth he's salt would be a pain in the ass for a communist regime. An accountant's job isn't just number crunching, he's job is also to analyze the financial situation of the organization he's working for and give all sorts of advice to increase profits, dodge taxes, those sorts of things. Not to mention that they're likely to warn against every single economic communist policy possible, making them as much of a threat as any other political opposition. I wonder if people underestimate accountants. For every little thing communists hate about big corporations, you can be pretty damn sure there's an accountant behind it somewhere. You think Jeff Bezos knows he's not paying "enough" taxes? Nah. He doesn't even know what that is. His accountant on the other hand... Let's just say his salary is directly proportional to how much tax money Jeff Bezos doesn't pay.If I were to guess, I'd say all the good accountants are gonna end up as political prisoners, and the communist regime will hire some random yes men to keep track of finances.
(DIR) Post #AIGJ1dqzdSXYnp6PFQ by cee@freethinkers.lgbt
2022-04-09T04:49:08.990632Z
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@alyx > If I were to guess, I'd say all the good accountants are gonna end up as political prisoners, and the communist regime will hire some random yes men to keep track of finances.Maybe or maybe not, idk, :blobderpshrug: we sidetracking a lil; i was just agreeing with ur original point, as someone who used to be a part of antifa.But yeah, u both seem like decent people- im always happy to chat more and be a friend :3