Post AHiHIdaSSMuKvS3cSO by Andrii@we.1being.org
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(DIR) Post #AHiH753kUNJCefFO4G by Andrii@we.1being.org
2022-03-23T18:47:32.591547Z
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"it is exactly the necessity for interminable sacrifice that constitutes the terrible counterpart of the utopian vision. “Heaven is worth any price”—but who pays? Christianity solved that problem by insisting on the sacrifice of the self; insisting that the suffering and malevolence of the world is the responsibility of each individual; insisting that each of us sacrifice what is unworthy and unnecessary and resentful and deadly in our characters (despite the pain of such sacrifice) so that we could stumble properly uphill under our respective and voluntarily-shouldered existential burdens. But it was and is the opinion of the materialist utopians that someone else be sacrificed, so that Heaven itself might be attained; some perpetrator, or victimizer, or oppressor, or member of a privileged group. A cynic might be forgiven, in consequence, for asking: “Is it the City of God that is in fact the aim? Or is the true aim the desire to make a burning sacrificial pyre of everyone and everything, and the hypothesis of the coming brotherhood of man merely the cover story, the camouflage?” Perhaps it is precisely the horror that is the point, and not the utopia. It is far from obvious in such situations just what is horse and what is cart."From "Gulag Archipelago"
(DIR) Post #AHiHIdaSSMuKvS3cSO by Andrii@we.1being.org
2022-03-23T18:49:37.953762Z
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Funny how it says here that materialist utopians want someone else to be sacrificed, when biblical literalists like John Cross exactly call for the blood of the innocent to be sacrificed.
(DIR) Post #AHiMPXmWwF3uicoh6G by insurgentem@freeatlantis.com
2022-03-23T18:57:56Z
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@Andrii Most people don't who the fuck you're talking about when you say "John Cross". Most people don't know any "biblical literalists".And I'm unaware of how many human lives any biblical literalists have ended in the last 50 years.Compared to materialist utopians, who have at least the blood of millions of unborn and people killed in wars all over the world.What a stupid, stupid thing to whinge about. Biblical literalists. Fucking stupid.
(DIR) Post #AHiNTPc7LfNGUzM2s4 by Andrii@we.1being.org
2022-03-23T19:58:48.445875Z
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@insurgentem what belief system do you think the elite people have? They are primarily biblical literalists. George W. Bush was an evangelical that thought the "rapture is coming" so he can lay waste to the Earth in its present. This is the WASP belief. There are also the Jewish biblical literalists. Just recently Biden (Jew controlled puppet), said that famine was a "necessary sacrifice". This whole language of sacrifice by the elite is propped up by people who praise sacrifice lower down. The so called "Luciferian/Satanist" elites that make blood sacrifices of people and animals are none other than the same WASP/Jews lower down but simply with immunity to prosecution due to their great wealth and power. The ones with less power simply make their "blood sacrifices" by simpler means, such as hating on others, calling for their arrest/death, etc. Excluding them etc. You haven't seen the "ugly side" of these protestant biblical literalists, cause that only shows up during times of stress. And they've been living on the fossil fuel gravy train for hundreds of years. The last heretic execution was like a hundred years after the gravy train started. When they are resource starved they come up with excuses for excluding people from the population, as blood sacrifices. Primarily the governments/elite do this, but that is only possible because the ones lower down consider it to be acceptable on a spiritual level. Things happen because there is sufficient calling for it. And when there is a religion or belief system which is on the basis of "make up for your own sin by sacrificing the innocent", then net result is a society of leftists that want to death of anti-vaxxers, they are just the mirror reflection of the ones who "do not suffer a witch to live". The only way forward is forgiveness, compassion and unconditional love for All Beings. Living a life of Virtue. Instead of focusing on sin, and "covering it up through blood sacrifice", can focus on virtue, and how to increase one's virtue in daily life. Jesus's commands are all positive, they do not say to avoid things, they say to do things, Love God, Love your neighbour, bless your enemies.
(DIR) Post #AHiNz6M6UB8K2LyVDk by cameron@noagendasocial.com
2022-03-23T19:59:56Z
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@Andrii Every so often in this world a cabal of people congeal around the idea that they can make people "Better" whether its Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, Claus Schwab, or one of those bloody Pope's that have limitless resources yet still so many of the holy sea suffer afflictions that he could cease with a whim and a check book.
(DIR) Post #AHiNz6qwdVnra0P8IC by Andrii@we.1being.org
2022-03-23T20:04:28.483221Z
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@cameron Well Mao and Stalin has no pretensions about "making people better". Mao had an official policy of "do unto others what you Don't want done to yourself." And so he ordered the torturing, killing and starving of huge swaths of the population. Similarly Stalin considered himself to be a wolf and would destroy anyone that threatened his alpha dog status (much like Mao and Pol Pot). If there was any mention of "making things better" it was uttered by the propagandists. Hitler is one of the rare exceptions where he genuinely thought he was making things better, and so he failed to graduate as he had not selected either path in its entierty. Mao, Stalin, Genghis, Rasputin all embraced the ethic that they were #1 and everyone else is just an obstacle. They graduated service to self.
(DIR) Post #AHiNzBHKBNHVIymFxw by cameron@noagendasocial.com
2022-03-23T20:00:06Z
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@Andrii Lets be clear Utopians and their ilk are evil incarnate the Idea that you and I are to lay down and die so Claus and his gaggle of elites can live in their perfect world, Well what else do you call it? Hell is empty all the demons are on earth
(DIR) Post #AHiO8E01R3mGLlzrNo by Andrii@we.1being.org
2022-03-23T20:06:11.057926Z
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@cameron I wouldn't say "utopians" but socialists certainly. Anyone that wants to manipulate others for their own gain is on the service to self path.
(DIR) Post #AHiRJb3gLIiSukp4Vc by cameron@noagendasocial.com
2022-03-23T20:19:21Z
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@Andrii utopian-ism noun; The ideals or principles of a utopian; idealistic and impractical social theory.Socialism is just a variation created by a weak minded, spoiled, corrupt upper class twit, that never worked one day in his life. Seems to me you could swap the words in front of the definition and be correct either way.
(DIR) Post #AHiRJbTCoP8IBulSIC by Andrii@we.1being.org
2022-03-23T20:41:49.089288Z
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@cameron From WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006) [wn]: socialism n 1: a political theory advocating state ownership of industry 2: an economic system based on state ownership of capital [syn: {socialism}, {socialist economy}] [ant: {capitalism}, {capitalist economy}]
(DIR) Post #AHiRXi8undoOwN06e8 by Andrii@we.1being.org
2022-03-23T20:44:24.890870Z
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@insurgentem to be fair, I should qualify Pauline and Old Testament worshipping biblical literalists. There is a very small minority of Christians that follow Jesus's teachings, and those I take no issue with, even if they take Jesus's teaching literally.
(DIR) Post #AHjwr7mD0eXFgJ4pk0 by zariuq@fedi.absturztau.be
2022-03-24T08:09:58.184410Z
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@Andrii @cameron No. WordNet is wrong.
(DIR) Post #AHjxQDPm2TWxIrJdsO by zariuq@fedi.absturztau.be
2022-03-24T08:20:29.746737Z
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@Andrii @cameron Well, to be more precise, "ownership by the state" only aligns with "socialism" if the "state" is a well-functioning democracy in the full sense of the term democracy (and not merely the existence of some form of voting for representative lords).Thus this is a perversion and distortion, alas.
(DIR) Post #AHjxUSQaA9Rn1WiV9M by Andrii@we.1being.org
2022-03-24T14:17:05.934739Z
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@zariuq @cameron sounds like wishful thinking to me. You're thinking of Social-Democrats rather than socialism.
(DIR) Post #AHjxZYVSzP7FKBQrdQ by zariuq@fedi.absturztau.be
2022-03-24T08:25:16.276326Z
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@Andrii @cameron Without such a well-functioning state, distributism is closer to socialism as it would be appropriately understood.
(DIR) Post #AHjxZYyXFKMsmL24wa by Andrii@we.1being.org
2022-03-24T14:18:01.020884Z
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@zariuq @cameron Distributism doesn't necessarily need a central state for land distribution, it is sufficient to have a culture where it is considered that everyone deserves enough land to grow their own food, and people can make the decisions locally by allocating sufficient land resources to people.
(DIR) Post #AHkSkRzqdAeetmJmJU by zariuq@fedi.absturztau.be
2022-03-24T15:59:30.343375Z
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@Andrii @cameron Yes, "socialism" does not need a central state.A definition that claims it does is wrong and infected with a "central state" bias :shrugz:
(DIR) Post #AHkSkSRUyMlyHXFrPc by Andrii@we.1being.org
2022-03-24T20:07:19.324706Z
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@zariuq @cameron I think you are thinking of a different word, or there is a different word that would better fit the meaning you wish to convey.
(DIR) Post #AHkdwXJFnmdKLbMPXU by zariuq@fedi.absturztau.be
2022-03-24T21:44:46.683032Z
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@Andrii @cameron My usage works fine among enough friends and people I know :shrug:.You don't have to use the term yourself but you could consider at least not spreading faulty definitions around?