Post AGd7nP68ccL9WWyEnA by lig@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AGcfBEDvo45q4pckka by kzimmermann@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T03:56:48Z
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You use a #FreeSoftware OS. From what age does a computer "gets old" for you?#oldcomputers #retrocomputing
(DIR) Post #AGcgJPyq4zu2oI29R2 by carcinopithecus@x0r.be
2022-02-19T04:09:29Z
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@kzimmermann ~5 seconds or more to start firefox = getting there>10 seconds = considering replacementmeanwhile i'm reminded i need to do some software updates on my 2007 eeepc
(DIR) Post #AGcgkxBcjBOncG8xqy by kzimmermann@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T04:14:28Z
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@carcinopithecus that has got to be the most esoteric way to assess this metric I've ever seen.Also, jealous of you still having a 2007 model to maintain. My 2009 one passed away shortly ago in a way that not even Linux can fix it (motherboard fried :( )
(DIR) Post #AGcrcewHmo8KCaDW4m by TerryHancock@mastodon.art
2022-02-19T06:16:12Z
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@kzimmermann This computer was purchased in 2015, I think, and uses an architecture that was first released in 2012. So it's about 10 years behind the state-of-the-art. And still going pretty strong.I use it for multimedia work, so it's pretty heavy work on a 8-core AMD FX series CPU and 16 GB RAM.I have a couple of laptops from the 2000s that I'm planning to refurbish and use. They're more like 15-20 years old, but should be fine for low-impact stuff.
(DIR) Post #AGctt8bXSUrokVUvzM by anarcho_comrade@kolektiva.social
2022-02-19T06:41:33Z
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@kzimmermann when it stops doing what I need it to do.
(DIR) Post #AGd7nP68ccL9WWyEnA by lig@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T09:17:26Z
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@kzimmermann I'd say it depends. I have 15 years laptop and it has its use as a Raspberry PI coding workstation. Another one have been retired recently being 10 year old. The main laptop I use for work is never older than 5 years.PS: I've answered 10 as usually it feels like old at that point.
(DIR) Post #AGd9oApdLfjZTYkI5o by technicallypossible@chaos.social
2022-02-19T09:39:59Z
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@kzimmermann @computertruhe I'm running the latest OpenSUSE Tumbleweed on my Pentium 4 machine. Does this answer your question?
(DIR) Post #AGdCNeVfCN2JZ1RxlQ by cirno@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T10:08:49Z
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@kzimmermann Depends on the use case, since that determines what is the expected/comfortable level of performance.For games, 5 years is a fair amount. For internet browsing? 10 years. 20 years if idk you live inside the terminal but aren't a programmer or something
(DIR) Post #AGdEEiuTfXmcVrvVtA by fabiscafe@mstdn.social
2022-02-19T10:29:37Z
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@kzimmermann >2 years, espeically if it's a laptop.
(DIR) Post #AGdFzqbcyOwZwj8zrc by joschi@mastodon.social
2022-02-19T10:49:20Z
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@kzimmermannIt depends on how I use the machine. Primary development machine? >3 years.Machine for casual web surfing/writing emails/watching videos? >10 years
(DIR) Post #AGdGuzqLIku36MHHBw by robelix@chaos.social
2022-02-19T10:59:40Z
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@kzimmermann If it's 64Bit it usally can be a useable machine with enough RAM and an SSD.
(DIR) Post #AGdTVkNgx1ZrJMAPbs by schluff@norden.social
2022-02-19T13:20:45Z
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@kzimmermann My "new" computer is a Thinkpad W530.These were released ten years ago, and I want to keep it for a long time. I can upgrade the RAM to 32GB, so it won't "get old" for me anytime soon.I voted ">20 years old".
(DIR) Post #AGdYqu80PGmjOQjniS by kzimmermann@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T14:20:37Z
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@schluff nice! My t430s is currently at 16GB, I feel it's way more than necessary for my stuff. But it's a nice way to future-proof your build
(DIR) Post #AGdZ7UkA2U7paSUmuW by lig@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T09:19:49Z
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@kzimmermann BTW, I tend to upgrade my laptops' hardware, i.e. replacing an old HDD with a modern SSD. Allows it to live several years now usually.
(DIR) Post #AGdZ7VJxtMlVNVFNia by kzimmermann@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T14:23:36Z
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@lig good point. Also DDR3 RAM sticks are super cheap nowadays, which combined with early 2010s 64bit machines makes it super easy to upgrade.
(DIR) Post #AGde9Sxk8BfSPhbkQK by iceloops@lizards.live
2022-02-19T15:20:00Z
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@kzimmermann 10-20
(DIR) Post #AGdh8MF7vdgf96tzU0 by trebach@mstdn.social
2022-02-19T15:53:11Z
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@kzimmermannMy 12 year old laptop passed when the charging port broke. My 10 year old desktop is still going strong
(DIR) Post #AGdsDv7cmA5kGUFQg4 by erinbern@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T17:57:40Z
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My main computer (a Thinkpad-11e) I got in 2015.It still works just as it did when I bought it.Bought it used; model is from 2014.I don’t consider it old at all.I think I’ll consider it old when it’s 2030.Maybe it’ll last even longer.@kzimmermann
(DIR) Post #AGdzjUcVXmsD15hAmW by kzimmermann@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T19:21:49Z
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@fabiscafe I take that you value battery life quite a bit?At any rate, please hand me down your "old" laptops, for I'll definitely find a use for them :)
(DIR) Post #AGdzrN8zDwoY98e09o by kzimmermann@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T19:23:14Z
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@technicallypossible damn, that machine brings me some memories! Second (obligatory) question: how useful is it? Can you do most stuff (outside of a web browser) with it?@computertruhe
(DIR) Post #AGe0Lf5N57nUTlOdFo by kzimmermann@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T19:28:42Z
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@cirno yeah, it's very easy to take an 10+ year-old machine, slap some lightweight distribution and take a picture of it after running neofetch, proudly announcing how Linux is clearly superior. But pressure yourself into daily driving it for a month and the answer might be very different. It's sad, but I no longer can imagine using my 2006 dell D620 (oldest piece of computer hardware anyone in my family owns today) as my sole workhorse today.
(DIR) Post #AGe0Sc7OVqVZIqepkG by kzimmermann@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T19:29:58Z
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@cirno (I *did* daily-drive it for pretty much everything as late as 2017, though)On the other hand, good thing I'm a fan of older but fun free software games like OpenArena, this way my gaming requirements stay comfortably low!
(DIR) Post #AGe3QS6R4wEXWXs0gq by cirno@fosstodon.org
2022-02-19T20:03:09Z
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@kzimmermann I think the longest I used a computer was for 7 years, and I only stopped because it broke, and it was faster to buy a new one than scour the used market for replacement parts.Luckily for me, my performance requirements haven't changed in the past decade (still playing the same games lol), so I could probably go back to it right now just fine.
(DIR) Post #AGe4xMUJ4lUvcUI9nk by technicallypossible@chaos.social
2022-02-19T20:20:21Z
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@kzimmermann I have to admit, I don't use it as my daily driver. I can use it for normal things like editing documents with LibreOffice or browsig the web with one or two tabs in Firefox. It's actually not *that* slow, all things considered.@computertruhe
(DIR) Post #AGe56DLQRJbFrvMJg8 by fabiscafe@mstdn.social
2022-02-19T20:21:56Z
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@kzimmermann I usually (try to) replace the battery and some other stuff, like thermal pads and sell the laptop again.It's not that much about battery life, but price you can get by selling that dropps to almost nothing if you hit the 2,5year line for some reason but is pretty OK for up to 2years
(DIR) Post #AGeiPb5uG8rDF2KjvU by kzimmermann@fosstodon.org
2022-02-20T03:42:26Z
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@technicallypossible nice! hope you can still keep it going for as long as you can. Wasting a computer is surely a horrible thing!
(DIR) Post #AGeiZYw18w9TRKSZJQ by kzimmermann@fosstodon.org
2022-02-20T03:44:15Z
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@fabiscafe nice insights, I had almost not thought about the resale value since for my laptops, I almost always buy (or get them for free) used and with the intention to keep them the longest possible. But your points do shed a very interesting light on the process
(DIR) Post #AGfbLsgWPXxE7OhVse by etam@im-in.space
2022-02-20T13:58:01Z
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@kzimmermann My last laptop was "old", not because of age, but it had "only" 4GB of ram. At some point it became too small for a web browser.
(DIR) Post #AGgPOaa9AWYQYBChJg by kzimmermann@fosstodon.org
2022-02-20T23:18:46Z
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Wow, 400 people have answered so far! Sounds like I've hit a pretty popular topic in #FreeSoftware
(DIR) Post #AGgopyu9LMPmesibGC by mike@micro.mkp.ca
2022-02-20T23:32:15.284160Z
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@kzimmermann Ten years?! My actual computer is ten years old!!
(DIR) Post #AGgopzNvYeEa9EeNfs by wzqtparor@mstdn.io
2022-02-21T04:03:47Z
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Many free software are also bloated nowadays.@mike @kzimmermann
(DIR) Post #AGh9YTZsf3Ilc8jQpc by theDoctor@fosstodon.org
2022-02-21T07:56:01Z
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@kzimmermann I feel like I should point out that it depends on the use case. For a gamer hardware gets old fairly quickly. My PC is some 6 years old and feels like a potato for AAA games at times.
(DIR) Post #AGhqzBgha0L1yduDei by Shredd_Tone@equestria.social
2022-02-21T16:02:34Z
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@kzimmermann to me, it only gets old when it stops working
(DIR) Post #AGj7uE1vKvGqAl0mlk by miklo@fosstodon.org
2022-02-22T06:46:56Z
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@kzimmermannAs long as "my" computer CPU architecture is supported in "my" OS...
(DIR) Post #AGk4MeQoZ4J7VMufgm by kzimmermann@fosstodon.org
2022-02-22T17:41:56Z
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@miklo *ahem, Ubuntu and all its derived distros dropping support for 32bit!*Which, surprisingly, includes #PuppyLinux!
(DIR) Post #AGkQ6ndclUIYPukdf6 by jmw150@qoto.org
2022-02-22T21:45:35Z
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@kzimmermann It makes little sense. The only thing my 15 year old computer complains about, in my daily workflow, is some of these horrifyingly bloated websites.
(DIR) Post #AGkQK16K1OtBw5TcbA by jmw150@qoto.org
2022-02-22T21:48:00Z
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@kzimmermann I did get a new Dell Precision though. That is probably the only thing I am now buying until Dell does something too evil.10k USD laptop go brrrrr
(DIR) Post #AGkY6oCfSkd7nreqjQ by kzimmermann@fosstodon.org
2022-02-22T23:15:16Z
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@jmw150 I think that complaint is pretty popular 'round here, given the poll's results
(DIR) Post #AGlIGv0raySzi5tZCq by miklo@fosstodon.org
2022-02-23T07:52:31Z
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@kzimmermann My :mxlinux: is still available as 32 bit :-) What mean - all my old computers - the oldest is 17 y.o. 32bit eeepc from asus - are still usable with my favourite distro.
(DIR) Post #AGmVseWErRAi7ar0Pw by kzimmermann@fosstodon.org
2022-02-23T21:59:41Z
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@miklo yeah, bless #Debian and its many architectures and stability! I've also used 32-bit #AlpineLinux, pretty good too