Post AFsfOFDvqEn0hArhoW by medbsraven@spinster.xyz
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(DIR) Post #AFTY9xz5UfDDsLZ4mO by Spring@spinster.xyz
2022-01-15T20:15:46.219618Z
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Right. UK. People are going to be sacked if they don’t comply with full Covid vaccination. I am warning people now:First it was mandates for staff in social care. Then frontline NHS staff. I predict next it will be all NHS workers. Then all citizens. Then physical restrictions for those who don’t comply - the beginning of second class citizenship (already started). Then fines for those who don’t comply (see Austria) and prison for those who don’t or can’t pay them.Then further loss of rights (access to healthcare, other jobs, benefits). Then mandates for the flu vaccine. Then mandates for something else pharmaceutical companies want to push on the population, a market of millions. The heat is being turned up bit by bit but the water is getting hotter.Even if you agree with the Covid vaccine mandate, next time you might have doubts about the medical intervention being mandated. Or you might get a frightening reaction to the 7th, 8th, 9th Covid booster and eventually want to stop or at least have a break but now it’s you who can’t get an exemption.There are HUGE profits to be made from millions of captive consumers who must submit to an irreversible medical intervention by law for the first time in our history. Do we really think nobody would work towards that financial golden goose? It is a terrible precedent.Respect for the physical bodily boundary is a fundamental principle of medical ethics. It is a precious protection from the medical profession being allowed or instructed by others to do things to your body that you don’t want. We throw this principle away at our peril. We shouldn’t be throwing this right and protection away. Not for this disease. Not for any disease. We will not get it back easily.We are at a frightening fork in the road.
(DIR) Post #AFTc45uBWx9sWMj8KG by TDovelle@spinster.xyz
2022-01-15T20:29:10.715041Z
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This is all true. I worry for people in the UK because I've seen what happens when you go down the mandating path and it's not good. If I was in UK I'd be thanking my lucky stars it hasn't happened yet. It will though, if people don't protest.Another worrying part of it all is the "green tick" on the app that allows vaccinated people to work/go to restaurants/get a haircut etc. I imagine all the countries that are doing vaxx passports have something similar. We have had state premiers come out during press conferences warning that you will lose your green tick privileges if you fail to get boosted in time (but don't worry they'll give it back once you get it done).Pro mandate people should really consider if they want to be treated like cattle for the foreseeable future.
(DIR) Post #AFr0XC5Ua2waIR6f4a by medbsraven@spinster.xyz
2022-01-27T02:48:51.303403Z
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@Spring “ Even if you agree with the Covid vaccine mandate, next time you might have doubts about the medical intervention being mandated”This is what I wish people would understand. It doesn’t matter if you trust it. It doesn’t matter if your local or the global health communities say it’s safe and you trust them when they say it. It doesn’t matter if you’re completely right and it is safe and effective. Ignore all the data and saying it is not safe or effective, ignore the alternatives, ignore everything. All that matters is that if someone has doubt about injecting something into their body, they should not be coerced into doing it. It is their body. It doesn’t matter if it protects you or grandma. Your rights do not trump their bodily autonomy. I cannot believe the amount of prochoice “progressives” who cannot understand that bodily autonomy is not just about abortion. And as soon as you tell someone, ‘wellI I think you’re wrong so you don’t deserve that right’, you have damned all of us. It seems everyone has conveniently forgotten the Nuremberg code - including my own university which made me learn it as part of research ethics right before announcing their own jab mandate! What a joke
(DIR) Post #AFr0jF6NCQVF7UGPei by fpcgggc@spinster.xyz
2022-01-27T04:12:09.646039Z
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@medbsraven @Spring If you quote the Nuremberg Code, people will say that it only applies to experiments, and they’ll say that the covid vaccine isn’t experimental. It’s tough to argue with people who are set in their wrong beliefs.
(DIR) Post #AFr3nBaKW5YhEWqcGe by polarisera@gleasonator.com
2022-01-27T04:46:28.915617Z
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From mandatory vaccines to the sterilization of women. They erased the history of eugenics and public hygiene from our history books, and blamed Nazi Germany. The truth is Eugenics started in America. https://hphr.org/30-article-appleman/https://scholarship.law.unc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1576&context=nclr
(DIR) Post #AFr5ER45AdyB14K0Jc by TDovelle@spinster.xyz
2022-01-15T21:08:26.424048Z
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There is no sense in it. We are now allowing staff in hospitals and food service that are infected with covid to come to work, but not allowing unvaccinated covid negative staff to return to work. That makes absolutely no sense. Hard to deny it's more about compliance than safety. In fact, the immigration minister who is still trying to cancel Novak Djokovic's visa, just said the following:“Because of this, I consider that Mr Djokovic’s presence in Australia may pose a health risk to the Australian community, in that his present in Australia may foster anti-vaccination sentiment…”He has already tested negative several times since he arrived. We have an insane amount of active cases (50,000 cases a day) despite a 95% vaccination rate. Last summer pre vaccine we had 0 cases. For those saying it's because different variants, I don't give a shit at this point. It was actually sold on the lie that it targets a part of the virus (spike protein) so that when it mutates the vaccinated person is still able to recognize it. They fucking told everyone that was the whole point of the mrna tech so that you wouldn't need multiple shots to target specific mutations. Now they claim it was always going to be like a regular flu shot AND they are talking about a 4th shot when people in this country only started getting vaccinated in June/July 2021. So every 3-4 months to keep your "priviliges".
(DIR) Post #AFr5HoB3hAjZZEC1ho by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2022-01-26T08:16:42.966815Z
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@Spring Absolutely, this stuff is beyond sinister now, and if people won’tlook at this then there is no hope for them, then when somethingdoes nip their own arse we might hear a complaint. None of thefuckers involved in this can be trusted over anything, none of them.Where have we seen all this shit happen before, oh yes, that’s right,and here we are again, and so many do not seem to care.
(DIR) Post #AFrFZ4Ozcm1yLsa2mu by TDovelle@spinster.xyz
2022-01-15T21:34:58.027038Z
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That's how they were selling it in the very beginning, before it was even available. Otherwise why utilise MRNA? Why not go with a traditional vaccine? They claimed because a traditional vaxx would not be effective against mutations. Of course throughout this whole pandemic they have used terms that allow them to deny what they present to us as fact. Such as may be proven to etc. However we are still expected to put all our faith in these people, like you said.Sorry I didn't understand the last part, what do you mean by temps?
(DIR) Post #AFrFe6Yh2BAuUJWCDw by Spring@spinster.xyz
2022-01-26T12:51:27.289292Z
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@HebrideanHecate It is indeed beyond sinister now. Why can't people see that of course the erosion of your rights is attempted when a highly plausible scenario presents itself. Because it looks so reasonable, people go along with it. But it's the thin end of the wedge. It's just like trans - the poor vulnerable oppressed minority, yeah let's go with any measures that support that. But when you apply the critical thinking - what is the actual scientific evidence here, who stands to benefit, who stands to lose and what will be lost, who is being encouraged to shoulder new risks/harms for no benefit (answer: children) - the picture is very, very different.We are on a knife edge here - it's a watershed moment. Many other countries have already toppled over into shocking authoritarianism. And on the immediate NHS front, if anybody seriously wants no midwife rather than an unvaccinated midwife, no paramedic rather than an unvaccinated paramedic, nobody to give your elderly relative in hospital that sip of water or change of sheets for another hour, etc due to yet more staff shortages, well that is what is about to happen if this atrocious piece of legislation is enacted.
(DIR) Post #AFrJewUYLauXNAEjiK by ArtistBristol@spinster.xyz
2022-01-27T07:44:16.315924Z
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@fpcgggc @medbsraven @Spring Why wasn't the Nuremberg Code used after any of the previous medical scandals?Lobotomies - helpless mental patients and prisonersThalidomide - depressed pregnant womenHIV-infected blood - trusting patients receiving blood transfusions Silicon Breast implants, Vaginal Mesh?Surely if it had any jurisdiction over our modern society, the lawyers acting for the victims of these ( world-wide) medical abuses would have used it?
(DIR) Post #AFrmLxB6T85YfaR9Em by Spring@spinster.xyz
2022-01-27T13:04:00.357333Z
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@fpcgggc @medbsraven True. They are ignoring that Respect for Autonomy is a foundational principle of clinical medical ethics, drummed into med students these days to counter the decades of paternalism in medicine. All feminists at least should understand that. Whatever the governments are legislating, there isn't a single healthcare professional who should be okay delivering an intervention to a person who states they are being coerced, even if the government does tell them to! Clinicians should not be acting as mere conduits for government policies. Just following orders?! This is how mandating *medical interventions* flies in the face of medical ethics.
(DIR) Post #AFrn9hkA80ajHOYh3A by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2022-01-26T13:24:32.454619Z
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@Spring Absolutely, there is way more to this than meets the immediateeye, and all these fuckers are pissing in the same ultimate pot.
(DIR) Post #AFrqw8aTvUI4ISohQO by Spring@spinster.xyz
2022-01-27T13:15:44.262817Z
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@ArtistBristol @fpcgggc @medbsraven I'm not sure these codes and declarations are legally binding. Rather they can be guidelines, statements.
(DIR) Post #AFrsMsSE7Isa29GnQW by ArtistBristol@spinster.xyz
2022-01-27T14:13:11.028741Z
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@Spring @fpcgggc @medbsraven This link is debunking claims that the Nuremberg Code is applicable to Covid vaccinations, (not necessarily saying I agree with all of this), and here's the important bit at the end.https://fullfact.org/health/nuremberg-code-covid/
(DIR) Post #AFrvAKOVE1jsmmEfeS by CharlytheWorm@spinster.xyz
2022-01-27T14:38:33.862331Z
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@ArtistBristol @Spring @fpcgggc @medbsraven I performed the taking of Informed Consent from cancer patients for their entry into cancer clinical trials. A proper Risk to Benefit analysis is necessary, so you can tell a patient what earlier research has shown, what the possible side effects of this new regimen compared to older regimens and to make their decision based on possible Benefits over those risks.I did not eat GMO foods for decades, if I could help it. I'm not going to genetically modify my body. I am normal weight, I have no high blood pressure, I do not have diabetes or other of the lifestyle diseases, and kept myself healthy with exercise and chose an organic diet to help heal the earth. Since 1975 I've lived an alternative health lifestyle.I remember when covid started - it was spread by travellers. All the countries with high vaxx rates are having high Omicron rate. American insurance company this year reporting 40% increase, excess deaths, not covid in 2021....last quarter 2021. Since vaxx. Immune issues?I'm still WATCHING AND WAITING. I had to once report 26 adverse side effects to VAERS when Big Pharma misdiagnosed and was going to involuntarily commit our young one, they're doing massive harm to our youth with gender medicines, and I'm not taking this round of experimental gene medicines. I am a health educator and I prefer PREVENTION, such as the EARLY TREATMENTs with Ivermectin and other treatments that are STOPPING hospitalizations in India for one.
(DIR) Post #AFryfJaMa7lP7KFbNo by fpcgggc@spinster.xyz
2022-01-27T15:23:44.860675Z
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@ArtistBristol @Spring @medbsraven I am personally not comparing the Covid vaccine to Nazi atrocities, but rather think the Nuremberg code should apply when it comes to having an option on whether or not to take it.
(DIR) Post #AFsBFHwjLv8HuMdI1I by xzy45@spinster.xyz
2022-01-27T15:28:13.317550Z
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@fpcgggc @Spring @medbsraven I thought this was a founding tenet of medicine and humanity, but....hmmm
(DIR) Post #AFsP7qq98JTPAetumu by medbsraven@spinster.xyz
2022-01-27T19:35:52.622244Z
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@xzy45 @fpcgggc @Spring You would think
(DIR) Post #AFsPApbgAupCDMYTQG by medbsraven@spinster.xyz
2022-01-27T20:07:09.407191Z
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@fpcgggc @ArtistBristol @Spring I think what the argument lacks is that we’re not talking about what happened to the victims and comparing specifics. We’re pointing out that in this case, the same general rules of ethics are being violated.The first part of the code is about informed consent, particularly:“ should be situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion, and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. ”Telling people it is safe is not informing them, especially when it is experimental. Telling them they have to take it or they will be second class citizens without the same freedoms, that they will not be able to attend their university or that they will lose their livelihood is not free of coercion. “ The experiment should be such as to yield fruitful results for the good of society, unprocurable by other methods or means of study, and not random and unnecessary in nature.”Forcing an experimental vaccine that does not prevent infection or transmission, just (supposedly) prevents hospitalization and death, when there are other proven safe drugs already in existence that have an abundance of data showing they are effective makes no sense. “ The experiment should be so conducted as to avoid all unnecessary physical and mental suffering and injury.”Experts who are trained in intramuscular injections have raised concerns about the fact that covid19 vaccine policy is to NOT aspirate before injecting - which goes against the common practice.“ The degree of risk to be taken should never exceed that determined by the humanitarian importance of the problem to be solved by the experiment.”It has been suggested by experts that vaccinating children and teens who are at very little risk from the virus is not advisable since they are more at risk from the vaccine itself (e.g. the heart issues)“ Proper preparations should be made and adequate facilities provided to protect the experimental subject against even remote possibilities of injury disability or death.”Pharm companies are not held liable. Government is not held liable. Companies/organizations requiring it aren’t held liable. People who have suffered side effects are left to deal with it on their own. “ During the course of the experiment the scientist in charge must be prepared to terminate the experiment at any stage, if he has probable cause to believe, in the exercise of the good faith, superior skill and careful judgement required by him that a continuation of the experiment is likely to result in injury, disability, or death to the experimental subject.”As soon as they had data that people were being injured or adversely effected in unexpected ways by the vaccines they should have halted distribution. These are just some examples, but to say it doesn’t apply… it should literally always apply. It seems the doctors quoted in the article have a very loose definition of volunteer.(Quotes from https://research.unc.edu/human-research-ethics/resources/ccm3_019064/)
(DIR) Post #AFsfM8uGMFoQWWfA6i by LaylaAlexandrovna@spinster.xyz
2022-01-27T22:20:18.550007Z
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@medbsraven @fpcgggc @ArtistBristol @Spring I found this link to an actual consent form. "Below is a sample vaccine consent form from INOVA. Inova Health System is a non-profit health organization based in Falls Church, Virginia, near Washington, D.C." https://principia-scientific.com/have-you-actually-read-a-covid19-vaccine-consent-form-yet/It's very extensive. I'd be willing to bet that NO ONE was given the opportunity to even SEE a consent form before being jabbed. Then we think about anyone under the age of 25. Their brains haven't even fully completed development. Would any of them be truly capable of understanding this? BABIES are being vaccinated! I can't even understand the full implications of this form. How can people not see that this is a deeply problematic issue? I am especially appalled at the number of women who have experienced massive human rights violations in our lives yet do not understand the full implications of what Big Pharm, other special interests (trans billionaires for eg) and govs have imposed on us plebs. In fact I don't think most people even understand that we ARE plebs to them. We're nothing more than cash cows. Haven't they milked us enough? (Justin Truedeaup has so far spent $620 billion of our future money on this charade. Surely he knew that this would bankrupt the country? Currently Justin is in hiding pretending he has to isolate for FIVE DAYS because he tested NEGATIVE for C-19! https://www.thecountersignal.com/news/justin-trudeau-goes-into-hiding-following-negative-covid-test )If there is anything we haven't done to try and stop our leaders from pinning us into eternal slavery, now is the time to do it. I'm no fangirl, never knew any truckers in my life, don't especially like men and yet I'm seeing the truckers strike as the ONE possible thing that could get us out of this mess. If people start to realise that we DO have freedom but if we don't use it we will lose it, there is a chance this could work to bring down our parliament. I don't know the legalities but there are legal teams working on this. It's not just a bunch of shouting men with pitchforks. #TruckersForFreedom has some interesting stuff on it. I found it stirred feelings of love for my sister/brother Canucks and have been in tears of joy several times. That NEVER HAPPENS! LOLThe funny thing is, Canucks are saying we do have freedom or we wouldn't be able to mount a protest of this nature. I'm saying that we are doing it so that we can regain and keep our freedoms. They are saying that we are lucky we have not gone the way of Russia and China and should move there if we don't appreciate Canada! LMAO. https://twitter.com/songpinganq/status/1480157037681995779I'm saying that we are doing this BECAUSE we appreciate and love our country. We don't want it to go the way of nations fallen to totalitarianism. I just wish there was more I could do. Might donate some more money! LOL. This donation page has resulted in a lot of controversy. Sure it was ok for private individuals to raise money for their own personal desires and surgeries but goddess forbid that a whole nation (and internationals) would arise to support a $6 million dollar effort. Statements regarding the purpose and organization of the convoy are included. The fund has been threatened several times but people continue to send money. Seems others have no idea how much it costs to mount any sort of protest at all much less one involving potentially 150,000 semis (lorries) converging on the capital of Canada. https://www.gofundme.com/f/taking-back-our-freedom-convoy-2022
(DIR) Post #AFsfOFDvqEn0hArhoW by medbsraven@spinster.xyz
2022-01-27T22:51:37.895482Z
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@LaylaAlexandrovna @fpcgggc @ArtistBristol @Spring Yes strikes are important - with the nursing and trucker shortages happening because of the mandates, I find myself thinking about previous worker’s strikes and the concept of scabs. Other people need to refuse to take the vacant spots as much as possible. A lot of great, brave people are standing up against the dishonesty… the truckers, nurses, doctors of the flccc alliance, random citizens in new york staging protests against vax mandates… most recently I heard that some US military doctors have become whistleblowers to call attention to a disturbing rise in conditions in the military post vax (including miscarriages apparently)I would say even vaccinated people can do their part with this - if venues are requiring proof of vax, don’t support those venues. The right to medical privacy is also an important one being violated
(DIR) Post #AFuWjY1mZodsFPYjNQ by Berco@spinster.xyz
2022-01-28T12:54:36.022962Z
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@TDovelle @Spring So, do you think the government has a right to *mandate* that people who drive must have a driver's license, indicating that they know the basics to keep themselves and others safe on the road?Do schools have a right to *mandate* that children get vaccines for communicable diseases?Are all government mandates wrong? Is it fair to have mandates in place that teachers must have licenses and meet certain requirements?Rules and regulations are at their best meant to protect us all, to enable a complex and often unruly population to function to some degree as a society. We must all make some compromises.Covid is now driven by the unvaccinated. Fact. I personally do not want to be in contact with the unvaccinated, nor do I want my family and friends to be. The unvaccinated are making it unsafe at places of work, school, and in all public places. If it takes a mandate to enforce that, I am for it.
(DIR) Post #AFuWjYzL0OHTE7QICm by Spring@spinster.xyz
2022-01-28T18:15:49.566763Z
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@Berco @TDovelle 1. The dividing line here is Bodily Autonomy. The boundary of your physical body. That is why this is so different to driving licences. That is about behaviours. 2. The unvaccinated are not driving this, although that is a natural intuition to have. I will attach the latest scientific papers to show this when I get a chance. From the CDC itself in the US and in the Lancet. Very recent stuff, November 2021-Jan 2022. Please read it because you are unfairly stigmatising people by saying this and it doesn't lead to a good place when we stigmatise groups of people.
(DIR) Post #AFuWjZY4vE4Oxrg2M4 by Berco@spinster.xyz
2022-01-28T18:43:41.381683Z
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@Spring @TDovelle please don't send me any of this. i am sick of reading about covid stuff and know all about what you are referring to. we disagree greatly on this. you keep believing what you do. sometimes the greater good comes before the individual. we live in societies. Glad you know no one who has suffered or died from this pandemic.End of discussion. I'm done.I've read too much crap on Spinster like this.
(DIR) Post #AFuWxlCCPnRv8qCzQW by TDovelle@spinster.xyz
2022-01-28T20:31:18.264690Z
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@Berco @Spring Seatbelts are not experimental vaccines. Experimental medication should not be mandated in such a way that people are unable to participate in society if they refuse to take it. That's just my opinion.
(DIR) Post #AFujWYORCoLD1KI3do by waterbear@scicomm.xyz
2022-01-28T18:19:59Z
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@Spring hard disagree. It's those who don't get vaccinated and go out in public who are putting everyone else at risk. The virus has killed many people and seriously harmed many more. You don't have a right to drive on the wrong side of the road for the same reason (credits to Chomsky for that analogy).
(DIR) Post #AFujWZQbMFfMEKJIeW by TDovelle@spinster.xyz
2022-01-28T23:14:15.273627Z
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@waterbear @Spring Is an unvaccinated person who has natural immunity from a previous covid infection and who is not currently infected with covid more dangerous than a vaccinated person currently infected with covid? Seems some people would actually say yes to this but of course they'd be wrong.An unvaccinated person is not perpetually infected with covid and a vaccinated person can carry and spread the virus as well. Dividing people along those lines doesn't make sense.It also creates unforseen issues, for example, my 95 year old grandma was advised by her doctor to not take the vaccine due to the fact that she is on chemo drugs at the moment and obviously quite old. If she lived in my state she would only be able to access non essential and essential retail. So no haircuts, no access to cafes or restaurants and many other non essential places. Is that fair? I don't think so. Is she a danger to society? Well if you asked some people they would say yes and that's very sad I think.