Post AFdGa0F1rvZMoKszeC by federico3@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #9zO7piv3eayuQVBhCK by aseem@fosstodon.org
2020-09-21T15:51:27Z
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We pay to Steam, Netflix, Amazon prime, Spotify. But not to Wikipedia, Archive.org, Librivox, Project Gutenberg, for our favourite Linux distro.The huge asymmetry between corporate and community has not emerged naturally. It is a product of our choices of not supporting community oriented projects. The short conveniences vs the long-term good. We always chose the former.In face of surveillance capitalism, we must and must change.
(DIR) Post #9zO84IpevXntrXc9I0 by dajbelshaw@fosstodon.org
2020-09-21T15:54:03Z
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@aseem I donate to Wikipedia nd the Internet Archive regularly, but point taken đ
(DIR) Post #9zOFnYFZ9MTIOHFtMu by souldessin@twit.social
2020-09-21T17:20:43Z
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@aseem Don't forget the direct support of small projects and developers.I agree with your main point, though. We often do forget to support the things we use if we don't have it behind a pay wall.
(DIR) Post #9zOGGNWM7UhpVpr28W by parasurv@mstdn.io
2020-09-21T17:25:55Z
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@aseem The first part is what people consume. The second list is what people create.I'd not pay for Wikipedia, because they are easily manipulated and anyone can edit it, with any information. I simple don't trust information on it.So it's not really about survcap, but what we put our energy into. A well made video, a well-written article about a distro can help others.Wasting your time on Netflix on shitty movies (this while I watch The Boys), really doesn't help anyone, not even yourself
(DIR) Post #9zOGduw03T8Bns4cAS by parasurv@mstdn.io
2020-09-21T17:30:13Z
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@aseem The first part is what people consume. The second list is what people create.I'd not pay for Wikipedia, because they are easily manipulated and anyone can edit it, with any information. I simple don't trust information on it.So it's not really about survcap, but what we put our energy into. A well made video, a well-written article about a distro can help others.Wasting your time on Netflix on shitty movies (this while I am watching The Boys), doesn't help anyone.
(DIR) Post #9zOKuwCR0KI2Sz8FTk by nipos@social.avareborn.de
2020-09-21T18:18:04Z
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@aseem I never payed for Steam,never used Netflix,don't use anything from Amazon anymore but I just bought a PinePhone and donated 10 dollar to the PostmarketOS team by that đ I totally agree with your statement but I'm already trying to do it right.
(DIR) Post #9zOSSkfh4TMcEnt9qi by preto@fosstodon.org
2020-09-21T19:42:24Z
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@aseem I get your point and I support it, but saying that this is a product of our choices is not enough. It is a social fenomenon driven by the capitalist structure, in which is easy to reproduce the status quo and hard to break it.
(DIR) Post #9zOSpJU2K0IgZmC6PQ by aseem@fosstodon.org
2020-09-21T19:46:44Z
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@preto Yes. But the silent submission to it, has been our (community's) choice.
(DIR) Post #9zOrT7ItQGjJHhUj1k by bhart@fosstodon.org
2020-09-22T00:22:49Z
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@aseem That is a potent comparison.
(DIR) Post #9zXqdACKzUEtMMg5SK by stevelord@mastodon.social
2020-09-26T08:25:48Z
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@aseem @preto just because you arent listening doesnt mean there's silence
(DIR) Post #9zXrQhoSneTFnv8OkC by flab@freesoftwareextremist.com
2020-09-26T08:34:48.365162Z
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@aseem I agree with you, with a single bone to pick: wikipedia does NOT need donations.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Guy_Macon/Wikipedia_has_Cancer
(DIR) Post #9zXta1MbgDhUxDfrvs by 777@mastodon.online
2020-09-26T08:58:54Z
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@aseem I don't pay for anything you've listed and won't. If someone creates something and then tries to use guilt to make me pay for it, I find that to be highly offensive.
(DIR) Post #9zXvgwVoJf2fqJPKhU by wowaname@anime.website
2020-09-26T09:22:33.550580Z
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@flab @aseem ive seen the wikimedia issue reported before, but this is a novel take i havent seen yet. i'll have to hold onto itit's why i support archival efforts for the wikimedia umbrella and eventually maintaining, hosting, and contributing to it completely decentralised and separate from wikimedia. theres distributed hosting technologiesâwikipedia is already mirrored on ipfs. theres distributed development platforms like git, that nicely attribute and version-control documents as well, and can easily retrofit mediawiki article histories. theres "good enough" static generation so that much of the articles and templates dont even need to be changed much or at all, even. so theres really every reason to adapt changes like this and avoid a central "nonprofit" entirely
(DIR) Post #9zXvkidhpuOdyYtwUi by wowaname@anime.website
2020-09-26T09:23:15.344981Z
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@aseem who is "we" because i definitely dont pay to whom you describe
(DIR) Post #9zY2H5rNdb5Gz77N2G by mur2501@mastodon.online
2020-09-26T09:11:15Z
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@777 Use guilt??@aseem
(DIR) Post #9zY2H60b5KSNRhQjOy by 777@mastodon.online
2020-09-26T09:29:16Z
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@mur2501 @aseem I did not ask for Wikipedia. I paid for internet service and it was there. Coming back and telling me I should be appreciative of something I never asked for is an attempt to make me feel guilty.I find "carrot on a stick" manipulation to be highly offensive.
(DIR) Post #9zY2H68kb0yjqzFF6u by mur2501@mastodon.online
2020-09-26T09:33:07Z
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@777 Well that message is for people who use the services there mentioned but are more willing to pay to corporates but less likely to donate even though they use everything equally.@aseem
(DIR) Post #9zY2H6Ig06v0LltAa8 by 777@mastodon.online
2020-09-26T09:37:39Z
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@mur2501 @aseem It's presented as more of a judgement statement. It would be better if it was presented as a seed of opportunity for a better world.
(DIR) Post #9zY2H6W9C1h51YBvZw by mur2501@mastodon.online
2020-09-26T09:40:42Z
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@777 Yeah that's the problem of the message it looks more like a threat :welp:Anyway payment and donation are two different things :blobcat: @aseem
(DIR) Post #9zY2H6jcNwT9hKUgZk by 777@mastodon.online
2020-09-26T09:43:58Z
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@mur2501 @aseem Yes, donations should never be expected.
(DIR) Post #9zY2H6s7sJH67iTTpw by mur2501@mastodon.online
2020-09-26T09:46:20Z
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@777 Still donations are necessary for them@aseem
(DIR) Post #9zY2H73pAodGhzwp4S by 777@mastodon.online
2020-09-26T10:23:00Z
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@mur2501 @aseem When the web started, Netscape was the best browser and it was free. The site attracted so many users that it could make money with unobtrusive ads. The value of a product or service is going to be based upon the number of people who benefit from it. Businesses need money. Businesses don't reply upon donations to stay open.
(DIR) Post #9zY2H7D2cY0NAaGBRA by mur2501@mastodon.online
2020-09-26T10:35:36Z
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@777 Free and FOSS are two completely different stuffs. You can use google for free but that doesn't stops it from getting money through ads and other means. Wikipedia doesn't do this stuff its only means of money is through donations.@aseem
(DIR) Post #9zY4STkXMBB6AeTQkS by nodq@mas.to
2020-09-26T11:00:31Z
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@aseem "We" ? I mean, talk for yourself, don't generalize this. I pay/donate to my Linux distro I often use, if they accept any donations tho. I pay for my open source Email service provider etc. I donate to Mozilla, I donated to Wikipedia too (but will never support this site again in the future).I don't pay anything to Spotify, the service is horrible. TIDAL is so much better.Anyway, not sure what you mean with "we". Maybe you do not pay/donate, doesn't mean others don't do it.
(DIR) Post #9zYHFRHMWuEI9EwKwq by kreg@wandering.shop
2020-09-26T13:24:04Z
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@aseem good reminder. I recently switched my monthly donation from the big public radio nearby to the smaller local stations that focus on community radio and jazz. There will always be more to do though so helpful to be reminded now and again
(DIR) Post #9zYIm8ar7hGfhqDIvo by vt@tilde.zone
2020-09-26T13:36:11Z
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@wowaname this, so very, very much.thank you for putting that into words@aseem @flab
(DIR) Post #9zYIwLjF8p5vLA0RO4 by pet84rik@fosstodon.org
2020-09-26T13:43:02Z
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@aseem Long story short, we pay for entertainment, not for knowledge / tools /...
(DIR) Post #9zYO0txOK69uQUc6zo by apaoapa@qoto.org
2020-09-26T14:39:53Z
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@aseem toda la verdad papa
(DIR) Post #9zYOzlwUjdt1EbDgYq by Sandra@idiomdrottning.org
2020-09-26T11:01:59.238772Z
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@aseemArguably we pay to those projects by spending time doing things like editing and writing Wikipedia, creating commons for Archive, replying to questions in #Debian or helping to find and fix bugs in apps etc.Yes, they also need some money for server costs etc, please donate if you have the money, but itâs not as if those orgs are gonna put all of us volunteers (which could include youâ„) on a payroll any day soon.Letâs be careful so we donât turn commons culture into a pyramid scheme where all the money goes to Linus and Jimmy while there are thousands of people that are collectively doing a lot of the labor and getting zilch.
(DIR) Post #9zYVBaYBW3CZ6Prn1M by trom@mastodon.social
2020-09-26T16:00:07Z
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@aseem: Some are tradebased services, some trade-free. The trade-free ones are the "community" based - they don't ask anything in return for what they offer. We built this directory of trade-free goods and services https://www.trade-free.org/directory and this operating system https://www.tromjaro.com/ and we curate hundreds of trade-free apps. Anyways. Would be more sane of we label such services based around "trade".
(DIR) Post #9zYVBd3SClP0ryVn2O by trom@mastodon.social
2020-09-26T16:00:08Z
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@aseem: Some are tradebased services, some trade-free. The trade-free ones are the "community" based - they don't ask anything in return for what they offer. We built this directory of trade-free goods and services https://www.trade-free.org/directory and this operating system https://www.tromjaro.com/ and we curate hundreds of trade-free apps. Anyways. Would be more sane of we label such services based around "trade".
(DIR) Post #9zYXwRH61IhvqyLDYu by cadadr@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-09-26T16:30:57Z
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@aseem Maybe except Wikipedia and a few commercial Linux distros, these aren't "community oriented projects", but "community projects". There's a big difference there.That's ofc not to say we shouldn't support these projects both monetarily and via participation like @Sandra says, but the needs of the two kinds of projects are very different and some need way more volunteer work than dollars.
(DIR) Post #9zYhYYIlF3QkEqMuqu by Calypso1@koyu.space
2020-09-26T18:18:53Z
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@aseem thanks for the reminder. I often forget to give something back to very important projects like lineageos. I dislike wikipedias agressive yearly donation campaign...but i donate every year because of it!
(DIR) Post #9zYnMTbRU8YXupjQZM by lamba@digitalcourage.social
2020-09-26T19:23:54Z
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@aseem Nicley said! FYI the German S. Fischer Verlag sued Project Gutenberg in a German court for copyright infringement. For that reason German users are banned from gutenberg.org. IMHO the German publisher could have known it better because of his and its writers experiences in Nazi Germany.
(DIR) Post #9zZW7laqoJsTJ0oafo by carpenoctem@social.tchncs.de
2020-09-26T22:00:42Z
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@flab @aseem INtersting artile - anyway I don't think this will make me stop my support for them - might be not needed anymore now, but as long as this doesn't hinder me giving some time and money to the other dozen of projects I am really grateful to exist.
(DIR) Post #9zZW8OqSsCXZ2jQ6vQ by bhart@fosstodon.org
2020-09-27T01:56:38Z
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@flab sounds like they do "need" it but really shouldn't. Oof, I just donated a couple weeks back.Thanks for sharing that.@aseem The vocal few here giving you flak do not represent the majority. Most people don't give a second thought to monetarily supporting the FOSS and free resources that they use. Many cannot give monetarily, and that's OK.Thanks for the reminder.
(DIR) Post #9zaH5qchv4iAGmqBKS by badrihippo@fosstodon.org
2020-09-27T12:31:45Z
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@aseem I'm guilty too.I almost donated to Wikipedia during their last campaign, but didn't get around to it. (On the other hand, I've only recently started paying for online services; I don' thave that much income so I usually just used what came free).Planning to actually go ahead and donate next time. One small step at a time, let's move forward! đŁ
(DIR) Post #9zlSWceNVgxyoBN2eG by Sebbaz@pouet.panglossoft.fr
2020-10-02T22:01:40Z
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@aseemOn paye pour Steam, Netflix, Amazon Prime, Spotify. Mais pas WikipĂ©dia, Archive.org, Librivox, le projet Gutenberg ou pour notre distribution Linux prĂ©fĂ©rĂ©e.La trĂšs grosse asymĂ©trie entre le corporatisme et les communautĂ©s n'ont pas Ă©mergĂ© naturellement. C'est un produit de nos choix de ne pas aider les projets orientĂ©s en communautĂ©s.Les intĂ©rĂȘts Ă court terme versus le bien Ă long terme. On choisit toujours le premier.En face du capitalisme de surveillance, nous devons changer.
(DIR) Post #9zmBSOXCXvEroAN7jM by aseem@fosstodon.org
2020-10-03T06:25:10Z
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@Sebbaz Merci pour le traduction!
(DIR) Post #A3PG40Wq2X4X1cynJ2 by jordila@mastodon.madrid
2021-01-19T20:26:45Z
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@aseem indeed, this is a must change ... starting on ourselves ?
(DIR) Post #A3ehLb8LfB5iHMXFGi by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2021-01-27T07:13:24Z
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I don't pay. your choice is up to you.
(DIR) Post #AC5LB8ey1lYF9ncJHM by wallace@mamot.fr
2021-10-06T10:38:49Z
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@aseemI pay for floss community and I don't have spotifiy, netflix or prime account. I'have already banned amazon.com for 2 items returned and not payback.
(DIR) Post #AC5U3tUKw3b7fEGU08 by mihira@ursal.zone
2021-10-06T12:18:22Z
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@aseem Very well put.
(DIR) Post #AC5WYIoXXSrqo4LI3c by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2021-10-06T12:46:15Z
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@aseem if everyone who pays for Steam games paid as much to archive.org, would that be good? Does archive.org have a use for that much money?
(DIR) Post #AFC17XSOUK6NJ9MBpw by olamundo@qoto.org
2022-01-07T09:32:53Z
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@aseem I usually use that explanation to get friends to participate financially in Libreflix.org.br , even if its a fraction of what they pay NetflixÂź.
(DIR) Post #AFC1SVf6MChhp1Ih84 by olamundo@qoto.org
2022-01-07T09:36:35Z
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@wolf480plSteamÂź :steam: created Proton and that is frikking awesome.But Iâd rather we payed more at DRM-free distribution plataforms, such as itch.io .@aseem
(DIR) Post #AFdGa0F1rvZMoKszeC by federico3@mastodon.social
2022-01-20T13:03:44Z
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@aseem A lot of public goods are largely funded through taxation (academia, scientific research, art, civil infrastructure, transportation) based on social utility rather than popularity/hype. And rather than donations. Sometimes for ethical reasons.
(DIR) Post #AFdOk1cWOceHcIAFQe by veer66@norze.world
2022-01-20T14:35:12.809287Z
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@aseem Per screen time, I pay Wikipedia more than paying Netflix.
(DIR) Post #AFdQEoJzzTAFIokBm4 by mgrondin@youdabomb.social
2022-01-20T14:52:01.140926Z
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@aseem More poeple need to support the free web.I've been for the last few years supporting wikipedia. I use it more than archive/librivox. Since I normally don't stick with a distro for very long it's hard to pick just one to support...Aall that to say I try and do my part but I could do more.
(DIR) Post #AFdQjulI60ZyFmLCzI by rghvdberg@sonomu.club
2022-01-20T14:57:37Z
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@aseem I should play games and watch movies on Wikipedia and archive.org?
(DIR) Post #AFdQrzPegfxSzl4VJw by scifirenegade@mastodon.social
2022-01-20T14:59:05Z
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@aseem That's why archive.org is a Brave shill and NFT maker now. I'm not joking.They ditched preservation for the kaching.Jason sucks.
(DIR) Post #AFdRuo3dShMcbIgATY by jmw150@qoto.org
2022-01-20T15:10:49Z
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@aseem Yep. Feeling that surveillance capitalism. It has taken multiple signatures from myself and my boss just to have my work computer not backdoored. They state that they are still going to have my IP address on their list.The police state in the tech world has been really normalized in the US I guess.
(DIR) Post #AFdUjvCYrOXjQzM6DY by thahajemnireal@mastodon.social
2022-01-20T15:42:21Z
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@aseem this truly reminds me I have to go and support some more FLOSS projects etc.
(DIR) Post #AFdUrg3f30E2mftHcm by tagomago@mastodon.social
2022-01-20T15:43:51Z
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@aseem I do the opposite, though.
(DIR) Post #AFdZV7nEGMbNufGoKG by Mek101@mstdn.io
2022-01-20T16:35:47Z
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@aseem You guys pay?
(DIR) Post #AFdrJTJYDgXQMNyv5M by lmemsm@scholar.social
2022-01-20T19:55:11Z
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@aseem Don't pay any of the corporate groups you mentioned. Have donated to archive.org. Think they're doing a great job.
(DIR) Post #AFduKuHZjox89VQvuC by snork@offcorp.ca
2022-01-20T20:28:18Z
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"I'll take corporate stoogery for $800 Alex."Alex Trebek: Steam, Netflix, Amazon Prime, and Spotify.Me: List of corporations that do not have my money.PS: Thanks for mentioning archive.org... I know they can be controversial for some folks, but I think their hearts are in the right place.
(DIR) Post #AFe5CPNNrVsTTeIgme by loveisgrief@mastodon.online
2022-01-20T22:30:57Z
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@aseemAmenđ@preto
(DIR) Post #AFe5XbFgu2ToOIo6Do by loveisgrief@mastodon.online
2022-01-20T22:34:48Z
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@aseemIs there an alternative to steam? An open source game store for open source games with payments?
(DIR) Post #AFg1WpD9VUQrtUulJg by Longplay_Games@mastodon.social
2022-01-21T20:57:06Z
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@aseem Our team does monthly donations to Blender and @libreoffice, but holy cow I'd love to swing our O365 sub over to an open source project.Closest I've seen though was a mess of "doesn't work together" solutions.
(DIR) Post #AFh11PSrNPrADuF2ZM by libreoffice@fosstodon.org
2022-01-22T08:27:11Z
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@Longplay_Games Thanks very much for the donations! Hugely appreciated đ If you have problems with specific MS Office documents, you can submit them to the bug tracker so that the QA team can investigate: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org
(DIR) Post #AG8gulNNnAI549Abh2 by Longplay_Games@mastodon.social
2022-02-04T16:54:11Z
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@libreoffice Can't really submit a bug for "you guys need a digital workflow hub like O365", though :DClosest we've got is using @matrix vs Teams, LibreOffice vs Office, and well... there's no replacement for One Note.Maybe someday.
(DIR) Post #AH38K7bRwcI50ym8US by potatoxel@mas.to
2022-03-03T22:25:51Z
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@aseem yes, people should donate to free softwaee they use, in order for it to be better c: Why pay for software that doesnt respect u? Unfortunately people care about the short term as you said, its convience and their used to it.