Post AFC8dXbEC2HyhBhCoy by carcinopithecus@x0r.be
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(DIR) Post #AFBtbMceXHeQl8rlaK by freedcreative@merveilles.town
2022-01-07T07:20:56Z
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Thought:"Free software" confuses the hell out of people because it's taken to mean gratis."Open source" focuses only on source and can still be big corpo, closed development, community excluding. So what about just "open software"?Software where everything is open, not just the source but also the development and the community.Says nothing one way or another about price, focuses on multi faceted openness.
(DIR) Post #AFC8dX4y7yU758bRXU by z428@social.tchncs.de
2022-01-07T07:57:00Z
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@freedcreative Fully agree. This "libre-vs-gratis" - thing has been a terminology issue ever since, that's why maybe the term "Software Libre" is generally better to use. With GAFAM and tracking-based "gratis" surveillance capitalist tools, we really should do much more to emphasize that more ethical software also will have to deal with more ethical means of software funding (which also sheds a difficult light on things such as "Google Summer Of Code"). 😐
(DIR) Post #AFC8dXbEC2HyhBhCoy by carcinopithecus@x0r.be
2022-01-07T08:00:01Z
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@z428 @freedcreative "open" makes me think too much of open office floor plans, all the reasons why LibreOffice had to fork away from OpenOffice, and the whole corpo open source bait-and-switch ("and now they even take out the 'source'!")"libre" *at worst* makes me think of Nacho Libre which aint even bad and might be kinda on message anyway
(DIR) Post #AFC8dY64LMxWEq7ptQ by dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
2022-01-07T08:12:28Z
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@carcinopithecusFreedom software.People are fairly clued in today, they know there's 'that Linux software'. You can say "#foss software like #linux" and ask them whether they know what foss is.Tends to work well on our end.@z428 @freedcreative
(DIR) Post #AFC8dYjPz4R0CsXGE4 by carcinopithecus@x0r.be
2022-01-07T08:16:31Z
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@dsfgs @z428 @freedcreative yes to the latter part of this postas to the former, too many "freedom fries" and similar flashbacks :oh_no: circumventing which is one of the nice side effects of a non-English word like libre
(DIR) Post #AFC8dZ8wSAqpU2Te0e by dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
2022-01-07T08:36:42Z
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@carcinopithecusCircular softwareRenewable softwareSustainable software.Regenerative software.You can't get #theWest to roll their tongue for #softwareFreedom. They are too lazy, or proud.@z428 @freedcreative
(DIR) Post #AFC8dZFg38Erovd1VY by carcinopithecus@x0r.be
2022-01-07T08:02:37Z
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@z428 @freedcreative practically though i find myself just parsing "foss" as though it were a word in its own right
(DIR) Post #AFC8dZcMgmO2xIF8s4 by dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
2022-01-07T08:38:49Z
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@carcinopithecus @z428 @freedcreativeHeck, Ethical Software even^^^ #CircularSoftware #RenewableSoftware #SustainableSoftware #RegenerativeSoftware#ethicalSoftware
(DIR) Post #AFC8da6UskUQSkLCq0 by z428@social.tchncs.de
2022-01-07T10:42:04Z
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@dsfgs Really like both "Ethical Software" and "Sustainable Software". Maybe in the 2020s with todays social and cultural issues, we need to rethink what kind of priorities to set, considering both the values promoted by Open Source and Software Libre, and other things we need to keep in mind (like, whether it's good to use "Libre" software that has been made possible because a developer with a good proprietary-software dayjob has spare time to work on it).@carcinopithecus @freedcreative
(DIR) Post #AFC8daVfNAcfio7J4K by Suiseiseki@cum.desupost.soy
2022-01-07T10:57:31.292673Z
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@z428 @dsfgs @carcinopithecus @freedcreative There are a few so called "ethical software" licenses already - they are nonfree as they restrict usage of the software based on arbitrary limitations, so I reject them entirely. I reject "open source" too, as it's specifically intended to avoid informing people about the importance of freedom (plus it's easily exploitable).Free software confuses people at the start, as they take it to mean gratis, but once you explain that it's about freedom and not price, people will not make the same mistake again.Libre software is an acceptable alternative name, the only issue is that it's not understood outside of English.A dayjob writing proprietary software is not carrying out good, it's carrying out evil - but I don't care as long as you don't justify your actions by saying you're doing a good thing.
(DIR) Post #AFE6kBQbDHAYMogSX2 by iooioio@fosstodon.org
2022-01-08T09:45:48Z
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@freedcreative I think you're really on to something here. Sofware like Android and Telegram is definitely in a different category than, for example, LibreOffice. Their development style is fundamentally different. And this is entirely independant of any ethical considerations. [1/3]
(DIR) Post #AFE6ofxVdsg2DODfQO by iooioio@fosstodon.org
2022-01-08T09:46:37Z
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@freedcreative In fact, I think that dimension is an entirely different discussion anyway. Putting the "ethical" label on software that cannot be translated into different languages, that is designed to track and surveil or that can only run on high-end systems, inaccessible to most of the world population, is misleading at best. [2/3]
(DIR) Post #AFE6rHovqQ4cDhS6Xw by iooioio@fosstodon.org
2022-01-08T09:47:04Z
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@freedcreative Anyway, I like your suggestion of "open software".I also like "sustainable software". Partly because it's more recognizable as a new term but also because it forces us to think about certain aspects of the project, such as the bus factor. How sustainable is a project where development depends almost entirely on a single developer? On the other hand, it complicates the matter further. Blockchain projects could easily be labeled as open, but sustainable? [3/3]
(DIR) Post #AFHJElzQEYCl9WApG4 by freedcreative@merveilles.town
2022-01-09T22:49:53Z
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@iooioio That's a really good point too. In terms of putting it all in a sentence, I've started saying "Open, community driven software".The sustainability part I'm thinking probably has to be added with context, because it's often a goal rather than a quality that can be established from the outset. E.g. "Let's do X to keep this project sustainable."It's a bit tricky too because there's both environmental and financial sustainability & sometimes the two wrestle for priority.
(DIR) Post #AFJ99Ikcu8DjnTvQGG by jaxter184@social.linux.pizza
2022-01-10T20:06:17Z
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@freedcreative I tried to make "free source" a thing a while back. i think it makes more sense since a lot of the restrictions that are lifted are restrictions to the source code rather than the software itself.
(DIR) Post #APZzN8PvKApkQTEP20 by mcneely@social.librem.one
2022-01-07T13:25:23Z
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@freedcreative@merveilles.town I quite like this because it can be used to include the various open access licenses that are not officially blessed by the OSI.