Post AF3fAAQTpX9MaTPRjc by zleap@qoto.org
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(DIR) Post #AF3bSoy9QmoBj1nXzE by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-01-03T08:05:04Z
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You know what I reckon would be cool? If all the throngs of organisations and companies who claim to be open would actually establish themselves in the distributed, open source Fediverse. That'd be cool.
(DIR) Post #AF3cK7IxzQdbwMwp8q by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-01-03T08:13:00Z
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If they wanted to join this Mastodon instance, I'd be happy to approve their accounts - all they'd have to write in response to "why do you want an account on our server?" is "We're keen to walk the talk and stop being hypocrites". If they write that, they're in.
(DIR) Post #AF3cK7pE3URTYQ2aQK by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-01-03T08:17:34Z
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@lightweight haha, ProtonMail did that - and then they left...
(DIR) Post #AF3cQBGq9sLjyeqR1s by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-01-03T08:18:12Z
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@selea just another reason I'm pleased I didn't adopt their service (and set up my own mail service, which, frankly, is superb).
(DIR) Post #AF3cgTbJm4r1SeC3Ae by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-01-03T08:18:55Z
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@selea full credit, though, to the folks at Mailcow.email, as I use their dockerised install.
(DIR) Post #AF3cgU3K5xFurVIPp2 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-01-03T08:21:37Z
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@lightweight Running your own mailserver is really nice, so much freedom included
(DIR) Post #AF3cs2K51G5uKoduLY by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-01-03T08:23:17Z
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@selea yes, I've found it librating, and an opportunity to be generous to my friends. I host email for myself and many others. 3 MailCow instances, all about 2-3 years old. They are remarkable and inspiring technology, created by impressive and generous folks.
(DIR) Post #AF3d3zE0MaWYCYV1Fo by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-01-03T08:25:55Z
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@lightweight Oh indeed!I let my friends and their companies use the mailserver aswell, it does not cost anything extra for me and I get it back from them in other waysand it is a great oppurtunity to test out new things in the SMTP-world
(DIR) Post #AF3dDdvcOkjR2zVIG0 by foxmask@framapiaf.org
2022-01-03T08:25:45Z
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@lightweight @selea Hi,if you don't have skills for selfhosting things, what's the solution ?
(DIR) Post #AF3dDeNyhJPuSwlwSe by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-01-03T08:27:39Z
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@foxmask You mean that you lack the skills? I doubt that to be honest.Maybe you lack the time?However, choosing the right ISP/Hosting Company is the key to success, the rest is basically use already existing solutions like iRedmail, Mailcow or Poste.io@lightweight
(DIR) Post #AF3fAAQTpX9MaTPRjc by zleap@qoto.org
2022-01-03T08:49:38Z
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@foxmask @lightweight @selea Probably go with managed hosting.
(DIR) Post #AF3fG03zGuFgBXfavw by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-01-03T08:50:39Z
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@zleap @foxmask @selea that's always an option. The https://mailcow.email crew offer a managed service. But it costs $, because it requires their time and expertise.
(DIR) Post #AF3fQ03OA8AN3E9s4u by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-01-03T08:51:09Z
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@zleap @foxmask @selea that's always an option. The https://mailcow.email crew offer a managed service. But it costs $, because it requires their time and expertise. And doesn't depend on being able to exploit your data (and that of your correspondents).
(DIR) Post #AF3fy0YSnzYmS2uSB6 by zleap@qoto.org
2022-01-03T08:58:38Z
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@lightweight @foxmask @selea GPG is a good way round people reading your e-mails providing the recipients also understand and use it.
(DIR) Post #AF3g4kuDO3KLwYIj7A by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-01-03T08:59:49Z
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@zleap @foxmask @selea yup, been using it with that vanishingly small sliver of my correspondents for the past 10-15 years :)
(DIR) Post #AF3gGlf4P2sXlJweRM by zleap@qoto.org
2022-01-03T09:02:01Z
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@lightweight @foxmask @selea It would be good to know why less and less people are using it, so that can be addressed.
(DIR) Post #AF3gMxSxQVM86xEOsC by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-01-03T09:02:54Z
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@zleap @foxmask @selea most people think email is totes secure. My bank does. I've had a long discussion with their head of online security. He didn't fill me with confidence.
(DIR) Post #AF3hIY8tjk8UMqJIsy by zleap@qoto.org
2022-01-03T09:13:33Z
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@lightweight @foxmask @selea Hmm opposite to my experience I have had e-mails where a long signature includes about e-mail not being secure.Unless we get GnuPG or similar as part of basic IT training then people will think opposite extremes.If banks signed their e-mail it would be much better and probably easier to spot scams
(DIR) Post #AF3jqCbuUysnLD3U4u by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-01-03T09:41:59Z
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@zleap @foxmask @selea banks are generally run by people who don't get tech. My bank (in NZ) has a reasonably informed CTO (with whom I spoke) but he essentially said that proper security protocols are beyond them. He assured me they'd have a 'secure upload' facility 2 years ago. It's not there yet. The bank still routinely instructs people to sign documents (e.g. account signing authorities) on paper, scan, and email them as unencrypted attachments. They're about 20 years behind.
(DIR) Post #AF3q1QIcXlEGhslZj6 by doctormo@mastodon.social
2022-01-03T08:15:02Z
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@lightweight Hypocrite is written on the human soul; besides, mostly people aren't in the fediverse because they have no idea it exists.
(DIR) Post #AF3q3FA0vcUGjubnV2 by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-01-03T08:16:25Z
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@doctormo true. So we can inform them, so they no longer have that excuse. :)
(DIR) Post #AF3q3FjSnoqMVrC6kq by doctormo@mastodon.social
2022-01-03T08:19:24Z
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@lightweight i think this might be in response to your linux conf au post?Honestly, a lot of these decisions are to do with resources. And making pretty good decisions in the past about what to learn and do.i'd put a lot of energy into using Free Software. But I'm a Free Software advocate, not a Linux guy. Politics, not technology for me.
(DIR) Post #AF3umG4qlZs0QkuhA8 by miren@mas.to
2022-01-03T09:50:08Z
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@lightweight @zleap @foxmask @selea I think "time and expertise" are good reasons to pay $ for (unlike giving "the ability to exploit your data"). I personally feel confident in having self-hosted things to test and play with, but for critical things like email, with at least baseline security, certificates etc... not so much 😕
(DIR) Post #AF3umGdagPewAVARJQ by zleap@qoto.org
2022-01-03T11:44:33Z
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@miren @lightweight @foxmask @selea I feel hhe same way I can set up a raspberry pi, sort of set up Apache or ngnix to serve basic web pages but doing all that securely is beyond me
(DIR) Post #AF3v0FKmKGleBE29rM by zleap@qoto.org
2022-01-03T11:47:04Z
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@lightweight @foxmask @selea Yiou need to understand the issue so you can recruit the right people to help make things secure.Weare short of cybersecurity experts here in the UK too.
(DIR) Post #AF3v2iwfCgywb1w4eW by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-01-03T09:51:30Z
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@miren @zleap @foxmask @selea fair enough. We all have to make that call for ourselves. Having worked for companies offering those services for money, I know that I'm as capable as the folks running lots of those systems, and I've got self-interest as well, so I'm happy to back myself in that role. :)
(DIR) Post #AF3vAF26IiDi8q3zpA by zleap@qoto.org
2022-01-03T11:48:54Z
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@lightweight @miren @foxmask @selea Perhaps we need to provide good quality information so people can make their own decisions.er
(DIR) Post #AF4XYAs5DnOsRWDW7M by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2022-01-03T18:58:57Z
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@zleap @foxmask @selea the big problem I see is that the people whose job it is to find the 'right people' don't know how to identify a right person. It leads to poor decisions all around.
(DIR) Post #AF4XdSVl42QybGIJrE by zleap@qoto.org
2022-01-03T18:59:59Z
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@lightweight @foxmask @selea Indeed, as people have said here too much focus on bits of paper, not actual ability to do the job in many cases.Box ticking does not seem to lead to the right outcomes.
(DIR) Post #AF5f97ef2LWe1ESpkm by qdemouliere@wall.demouliere.eu
2022-01-03T22:55:05.335789Z
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@seleaWhy Protonmail and not ProtonVPN ? 🤔@lightweight
(DIR) Post #AF5f98IidPZI1TCpBw by selea@social.linux.pizza
2022-01-04T07:58:26Z
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@qdemouliereThey did. @lightweight