Post AEP1MeyGwAMVMe8jfU by gikari@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AEOkSIRFvXHHzunaDo by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T15:05:20Z
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I've been busy during my COVID isolation - the Devil makes work for idle thumbs and all that...I've written a whole bloody manifesto on how the web is a shit shit show.I present to you...The Web Is Fuckedhttps://thewebisfucked.com/
(DIR) Post #AEOkV2fJ1pWlwigCiu by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T15:06:00Z
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...massive thanks to @tdarb, @david and @mike for their feedback and help editing this!
(DIR) Post #AEOkkq9HKgCvlBESrQ by jinxd@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T15:08:53Z
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@kev the world is fucked.
(DIR) Post #AEOkoicfFwJjZopJz6 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T15:09:24Z
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@jinxd haha true that!
(DIR) Post #AEOlKpjEN7aSskDB8i by nilesh@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T15:15:24Z
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@kev What would it take to get a version of Web that is not a shit show? Some thoughts:- A browser that's anti-advertising, anti-shopping, and anti-influencer/SEO even?- HTML that severely limits what JS can do- Annotable webpages?
(DIR) Post #AEOlwe5y4YXRo2sR0a by andyc@pleroma.stream
2021-12-14T15:19:07.698605Z
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@kev Christ - I had forgotten navigating Yahoo! to my areas of interest. Fantastic article - enjoyed it a lot.
(DIR) Post #AEOlweU4cvox0o9ga8 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T15:22:18Z
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@andyc thanks! đ I really miss the days of navigating around the web in that way.
(DIR) Post #AEOm39PkXeokg6EQIC by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T15:23:29Z
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@nilesh I don't think it would be that simple, unfortunately.Not that any of your points would be simple, of course, but they're simple in terms of the scope of 'fixing the web' I think.
(DIR) Post #AEOm84y0VMRiKfbaXA by Iutech@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T15:24:19Z
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@kev Not a word about #Gemini ?
(DIR) Post #AEOmAoLwjP0nfr6aoK by andyc@pleroma.stream
2021-12-14T15:24:01.153334Z
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@kev ...and don['t even get me started on the demise of blogs and RSS. I used to spend all day in Google Reader reading curated, high quality content. Today, less so.
(DIR) Post #AEOmAoizLjRYpJszj6 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T15:24:51Z
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@andyc ...but RSS didn't die with Google Reader. It's still very much alive and kicking (and actually how I still consume most of the content I read)
(DIR) Post #AEOmKfpVH8hU8SdKD2 by nilesh@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T15:26:13Z
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@kev Don't give up on the web yet. If you think the Web is shitty and fucked up, I urge you to check out the state of mobile apps. All the problems you mentioned - with more exploitation and fewer choices.The world is shitty. Web is the best of what we have. đ
(DIR) Post #AEOmNfIdhcvjMOgho8 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T15:26:41Z
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@Iutech that's a whole different conversation that I will write about at some point.The TL;DR from my perspective though is that Gemini is inherently flawed.It's basically trying to fork the web, which will end up being a nerds echo chambers.Again, just my opinion...
(DIR) Post #AEOmSDZOEFt8o0h44G by andyc@pleroma.stream
2021-12-14T15:25:59.877019Z
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@kev Indeed - and that's how I consume your content (Miniflux) but most of of favourite bloggers have dried up...
(DIR) Post #AEOmSE2SUB8mGAIHNQ by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T15:27:50Z
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@andyc yeah, a lot of people are allowing their blogs to rot in favour of social channels...more engagement and more dopamine, I assume.The personal blog is going through a bit of a resurgence though, I feel.
(DIR) Post #AEOmUJR3OMSpZnnF7g by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T15:28:17Z
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@nilesh I think you're right there, Nilesh.
(DIR) Post #AEOmZnpbo87zIPtebI by LexPendragon@QuarteredCircle.net
2021-12-14T15:28:12Z
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@kev Nice article. I think that Mastodon is a good example of the "fix" for it all. It's decentralized, and if you want to take control, you can be in control of your own server. I want to see more things spread out and work that way, like PeerTube or PixelFed, so you can join someone you trust instead of the next Zucker.
(DIR) Post #AEOmeYqWwv9IGhb3Ue by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T15:29:31Z
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@LexPendragon 100000% agree.
(DIR) Post #AEOmtjJ4LAVb3QB7Ts by LexPendragon@QuarteredCircle.net
2021-12-14T15:31:07Z
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@kev "Fix" may be a strong word, but if you want Web 2.0 type interaction and ease, doing it decentralized is the way to go. As the AWS outage we saw demonstrated, it also mitigates large failures.
(DIR) Post #AEOmzkbOR7nQoGcWKO by andyc@pleroma.stream
2021-12-14T15:30:43.180668Z
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@kev Re. dopamine, David Baddiel had an MRI to monitor his brain activity while reading positive tweets about him and trolls.https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0012kf0/david-baddiel-social-media-anger-and-us
(DIR) Post #AEOmzl0Cwre63EEL0S by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T15:32:57Z
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@andyc oh, I have to watch this! Thanks for the link!
(DIR) Post #AEOnMPZAoTqaEFO5Qm by peterbabic@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T15:38:06Z
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@kev just found this on HN, let's see
(DIR) Post #AEOpF5BYOHGmtpyMwi by Killab33z_OG@hispagatos.space
2021-12-14T15:59:13Z
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@kev well written mate
(DIR) Post #AEOptuwBOfRczOFqW8 by ugmug@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-12-14T16:06:39Z
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@kev question for you: do you distinguish between Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies?
(DIR) Post #AEOqkQ38y24oXZXrm4 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T16:16:07Z
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@ugmug I don't really think about it. I personally see cryptocurrencies as one giant ponzi scheme. I'm sure there are differences between the different coins, but I have no inclination to learn what they are.I find cryptocurrency in its entirety, a farce.
(DIR) Post #AEOrIHeGi1xiKY3eYS by ugmug@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-12-14T16:22:14Z
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@kev that's disappointing but understanding since I believe "cryptos" have caused a lot of confusion by affinity scamming. Specifically, they target the tech-literate with their "improvements" on Bitcoin.I do hope that you find the time to look into Bitcoin without the distraction of altcoins.
(DIR) Post #AEOrTIskSmN5LF5MRs by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T16:24:16Z
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@ugmug itâs not just the scamming. Itâs the downright disgusting amount of power the network drains every second of every day that worries me.I mean, fuck, if China comes out and says âno more of thisâ you know itâs utterly fucked.
(DIR) Post #AEOruyG6jX4zUKCjSa by ugmug@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-12-14T16:29:14Z
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@kev China already banned mining and nothing was fucked though. The network displayed its resiliency and miners simply left China.
(DIR) Post #AEOsLMSlMjHk5KhwJs by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T16:34:01Z
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@ugmug maybe i wasnât clear. What i was trying to say was if the most populous country on earth bans this because of the inordinate amount of resources its using, thereâs major problem.Cryptocurrency is inherently flawed and is utterly unsustainable.
(DIR) Post #AEOsNPOvPefzmCtATA by dyamon@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T16:34:27Z
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@kev I think here the angry tone is working. It highlights a lot of flaws of the modern web, controlled by companies and not by the people.But, putting the pessimism aside, do you think the solution is to "bring back" web1.0? While we are busy fixing web2.0 someone else is already working on the next step. I hate be so theoretical but, let's tackle web3.0 instead! Otherwise we always play catch-up don't you think?
(DIR) Post #AEOscwX2W0MgsF5kJc by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T16:36:48Z
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@dyamon no, definitely not. Web 1 was full of flaws and it definitely should not come back (I should clarify that point on the site).But i think it would be nice to have some of its ethos back.
(DIR) Post #AEOsx7nGM1fFapIrmi by ugmug@bitcoinhackers.org
2021-12-14T16:40:33Z
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@kev you were pretty clear. This is exactly what happened and it was widely reported. In fact the network's hashrate has recently recovered from that ban.You really should look into what Bitcoin's power usage really means, and I think you'll discover that it's not a _waste_ but a benefit.
(DIR) Post #AEOtSUvgNz5IKBCYRU by dyamon@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T16:46:30Z
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@kev I like that. Learning from past experiences without falling for the easy "we were better off when things were worse"
(DIR) Post #AEOu5o5B6nhd1LO35E by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2021-12-14T16:53:28Z
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I also know hundreds of causes why web is shitty. but I cannot figure out how to make a normal web yet, though.
(DIR) Post #AEOuWqUeFlvUJgC3TE by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2021-12-14T16:56:52Z
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the discouse on shittiness of the web should help to find out a way out of the situation somehow, I think.
(DIR) Post #AEOuZKtSCJGxBCz2W0 by iron_bug@friendica.ironbug.org
2021-12-14T16:58:58Z
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and yes. Yahoo killed my page on GeoCites many years ago. I found some pages of my friends from there in the Internet archive, but not mine.
(DIR) Post #AEOvMyIKUeTDZPHqz2 by arivigo@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T17:07:49Z
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@kev I loved the article! Bravo! â¤ď¸â¤ď¸â¤ď¸
(DIR) Post #AEOvkLnHI3CF6zuWtU by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T17:12:10Z
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@arivigo thank you so much! đ
(DIR) Post #AEP0SbZeNesmbytVL6 by markusl@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T18:04:56Z
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@kev I'm afraid I share your pessimism. What happened to world peace through better communication and universal understanding and tolerance? It does seem to be taking its time.BTW, you needn't install Tor just to see the echo chamber (and some readers might prefer not to). Just search for some controversial subject on Google and then again on Startpage. Same corpus, same engine, no echo chamber.
(DIR) Post #AEP1MeyGwAMVMe8jfU by gikari@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T18:15:03Z
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@kev If you show the manifesto to the ordinary human, they will think you're some angry dude, who swears a lot with no good reason.The problem with all this Facebook, Ads and Web 3.0 shit, is that most humans do not understand tech and therefore they're are not enthusiastic about Mastodon and other FOSS stuff. I think it is useful to explain how the stuff works in simple terms to the wide audience, so that they do could press their governments.
(DIR) Post #AEP3BAXXwG07htHtWS by fedops@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T18:35:21Z
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@kev I don't really share your enthusiasm for Web 1.0. I remember IE5, ActiveX, Java applets, and worst of all, the <blink> tag. Oh and I hate web forums, they killed the mailing lists.My solution to deshitting the web: block everything 3rd party, DNS-hole Gafam, turn off JS. If there's anything left to read on that page it's actual content (plus it looks like Web 1.0), if not I just close the tab and move on.[1] Perfect!I do miss the webrings though.[1] requires you to be FOMO-resistant.
(DIR) Post #AEP3sIhFUMbdSKOOtE by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T18:43:09Z
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@fedops WHAT?! The blink tag was peak Internet!!!!
(DIR) Post #AEP53v8h04PJp6KlJA by fedops@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T18:56:24Z
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@kev I remember getting flak in the mid-90s for having set up an NCSA httpd server. People on Usenet were moaning that we slowed down the Internet for everyone with all those ridiculous images on those web pages.
(DIR) Post #AEPVzR6tP2nYIHZuIC by papiris@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T23:57:57Z
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@kev I've become disillusioned with it all, so now I mostly lurk around. The ever-silent consumer.Sometimes though, I have a bit of scotch on a late night and read a post like yours, and decide to make my existence known.The web is indeed fucked
(DIR) Post #AEPak0tF6e1qOtethA by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-15T00:51:29Z
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@papiris this is probably the best way to be. đ
(DIR) Post #AEPavX75dnLrWbd2PI by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-15T00:53:13Z
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@david yeah, true, but this is an echo chamber with no barrier to entry. Anyone can come join me. Gemini is far more niche and requires specific software to partake. đ@Iutech
(DIR) Post #AEQ26QudjW4cF1E9Eu by futureisfoss@fosstodon.org
2021-12-15T05:58:04Z
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@kev> it's all about moneyFacebook, Google, etc plays this fallacy where they say they provide all of these services for "free", no need to give them any money.
(DIR) Post #AEQ33vs2H8vhLDNeqG by futureisfoss@fosstodon.org
2021-12-15T06:08:50Z
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@kev> it's all about moneyFacebook, Google, etc plays this fallacy where they say they provide all of these services for "free", no need to give them any money.Now we use the word trade instead of money, it just cuts through this bullshit. You trade your data, attention (through ads), freedom (they censor content), money (premium features) etc by using their services.We had to invent a new word called "trade-free" for things that are actually free. Take a look at https://directory.trade-free.org
(DIR) Post #AEQM87UEvX5zehxbmq by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-15T09:42:28Z
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@futureisfoss if itâs free, youâre the product. đ
(DIR) Post #AEQMht1CCJlBCvQjS4 by tinfoilhat@area51.tinfoil-hat.net
2021-12-15T09:48:58.111019Z
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@kev @futureisfoss What if it's free like in freedom? :D
(DIR) Post #AEQXvbou2IzNPyQUQi by tio@social.trom.tf
2021-12-15T11:54:29Z
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What happened to the internet is pretty much what happened to most parts of our society. It is something people fail to see, almost like an underwater creature that never even thinks about the water currents pushing them one way or another. We humans play this silly game of trade. I do something for you, only if you do something else for me.And so for the past 12k years or so, humans traded this for that. Sheep for clothes, skills for homes, stuff for stuff, etc.. Eventually they invented "currencies" to account for these trades. Sheep for 60 coins, skills for 30 coins per hour, and so forth. They ended up trading currency for currency eventually, detaching from the physical world.Fast forward to today, and this Monopoly game created huge inequalities, and created behaviors that only want to trade, and thus acquire, hoard, exploit, lie, waste, and trade at any cost basically, whatever-the-fuck-they-can.Money is just one currency in this insane game. Via the Internet humans are now detaching even more from reality, trading access for attention (use my website BUT watch these ads); others send products to "influencers" so that they make positive reviews for them; and so forth. It got so insane that now we use powerful computers to solve useless mathematical problems to then be rewarded "coins" for that.This inanity created the monsters like google, fb, and the like, who all they want is to trade with you. But they are no different from oil companies, mcdonalds, or the kings of the past. They just play the trade game online.Anyways, unless we move away from this trade-based society that is insanely damaging and useless, we will only see such outcomes, like the internet becoming a marketplace. We do strive to put a little bit of sanity via our projects that are trade-free. No bullshit. If this service that we offer says it is trade-free, then we want nothing from you. This keeps us honest and the rest sane.So https://trom.tf/ might interest you also all of our projects here https://www.tromsite.com/tools/
(DIR) Post #AEQny5VeDlgvLNcjh2 by futureisfoss@fosstodon.org
2021-12-15T14:51:44Z
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> if itâs free, youâre the product.This is exactly why we use the word trade-free. Because if you're trading data, attention, freedom, etc, then that is not much different from trading money. Currency is just one way to trade, there a more ways than people realise.> What if it's free like in freedom?That would mean you're not trading your freedom, but the other ways to trade (premium features, ads, etc) can still be there. TBH most FOSS projects are trade-free, but not all@kev @tinfoilhat
(DIR) Post #AERAAM7CVO8PJPRZiq by Danbert8@fosstodon.org
2021-12-15T19:03:04Z
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@kev remember when pop-ups and banner ads were the bane of the web? Then browsers all got together and allowed us to block them. Now websites do even worse shit and then get angry at us for trying to block it. Screw them. I don't want an auto playing video over the article that scrolls with the page. Web developers now are totally hostile to the very people they theoretically want to visit their site because they are so far up the advertisers anuses.
(DIR) Post #AERIsQSYVsp7A2xQki by lwriemen@social.librem.one
2021-12-15T20:39:26Z
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@kev Err...there was a web before you're Web 1.0. Search engines were around before Yahoo!. etc.,
(DIR) Post #AERRSRBM6TAtSbawuO by downey@floss.social
2021-12-15T22:16:50Z
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@kev Not necessarily wrong, but to be fair, the argument is a lot like what folks on Usenet/NNTP said about WWW back in the day....@Iutech
(DIR) Post #AES8qYiA3eKhn4giNk by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-16T06:23:04Z
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@downey yeah, maybe. But i think the difference here is that at this point the web is such a huge part of our society that i think itâs impossible for it to be replaced.@Iutech
(DIR) Post #AES949I5MrN30JyIHA by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-16T06:25:31Z
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@Danbert8 unfortunately youâre dead right. đ
(DIR) Post #AESkvh44DyERP6oGYK by isobel@ioc.exchange
2021-12-16T13:29:44Z
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@kev [Literal] Old man shouts at cloud.Yes facegram is evil. Yes Web 1.0's PHP became Web 2.0 node.js mistake. But we don't have to be all doom and gloom. We have https://degoogle.jmoore.dev/ and https://github.com/zaqas /deFacebookI'm working on a single bash script to install Mastodon on a Raspberry Pi using only a Rust compiler.We have the skills. We can share those with others to help them break their ignorant addiction to WhatsApp. #use_signal :ablobcatattention:
(DIR) Post #AESl8rrvMkxwg2PbYO by Seferi@fosstodon.org
2021-12-15T18:32:39Z
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@tio @kev Thanks for this mate. I couldn't see any mention or credit to the original devs of the projects, searx etc... Can you point me to it please ?
(DIR) Post #AESl8sGNtoX1ttr8gC by tio@social.trom.tf
2021-12-16T10:06:35Z
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If you talk about trom.tf then the source code is bellow the title of every service:
(DIR) Post #AEXCoqHMHR3UHiQLFw by IslandUsurper@fosstodon.org
2021-12-16T03:22:33Z
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@tio @kev itâs not trade thatâs the problem. I wouldnât even say itâs inequalities of wealth, either, because those are endemic to reality. Some people will have more than others, and that fact will never change. No, the problem is greed and selfishness. No matter what system you come up with, people will find a way to get more for themselves, because it makes them happy, at least for a bit.
(DIR) Post #AEXCoqiIfGbddH1rFY by tio@social.trom.tf
2021-12-16T10:09:37Z
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Greed is not a behavior we are born with, it comes from the environment. There are hundreds of millions of humans today, that do volunteer work, and do not want more and more - here is a directory we have all about that https://www.directory.trade-free.org/The more equal the environment, the less greedy people are. We live in a world where if you do not trade, you basically die. That's a huge incentive to make you a trader and to eventually make you want more and more.When I was a kid we played the board game Monopoly between friends. We were all friends and generally very nice to each other. But when we played that game we became ruthless and selfish bastards. Awful creatures. So it was the game that pushed us to be like that with each other.
(DIR) Post #AEXCor9F369mypdNFA by capn_b@fosstodon.org
2021-12-18T12:26:44Z
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@tio @kev @IslandUsurper if anyone wants an anthropological understanding of this, read Debt by David Graeber, it's a review of anthropological and historical evidence that money really is an outgrowth of the idea of debt and that trade, even barter trade, was not a matter of course for the vast majority of human history
(DIR) Post #AEXCorYlWCZcFzZl1k by tio@social.trom.tf
2021-12-18T12:47:17Z
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Trade creates debt. The idea of debt is also similar to "money". If I say you do this for me, and I will repay you later, then that's debt. You owe me something. So that "ledger", a booklet whatever you call it, saying just that, is a form of money. Represents some trades, some values. That book is good but it is also criticized a lot from what I remember. In the end is not important how money started, but what they represent today.
(DIR) Post #AEYgBwtgvo0FIfgTmi by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-12-19T10:04:55Z
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@kev @Iutech Getting a better option to gain nerd acceptance is a critical first step. It has to start with the nerds. It's like a reverse slippery slope argument to say that a good idea can't spread beyond nerds. Nerds have friends that are normies & nerds can be influential. Thereâs a point where #Gemini will get enough acceptance that common web browsers start integrating the protocol.
(DIR) Post #AEZIoSm4eqFBQZugKG by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-19T17:17:41Z
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@koherecoWatchdog I cant see Gemini gaining any mass appeal. Why would browser vendors integrate a protocol that literally adds nothing over what HTML can already do.Iâm happy to be proven wrong, but I cant see Gemini getting anywhere. @Iutech
(DIR) Post #AEZJ8KPfSGLzHquBRg by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-19T17:21:19Z
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@gikari the point of the manifesto isnât to try and persuade anyone to my way of thinking. If someone doesnât understand what Iâm talking about, theyâre probably not the target audience.
(DIR) Post #AEZJJ1FJ3f0b1i9lqK by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-12-19T10:07:48Z
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@gikari @kev indeed it's not a manifesto, it's a rant.
(DIR) Post #AEZJJ1gbQAqKOMvZOC by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-19T17:22:48Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @gikari Manifesto definition:> a written statement of the beliefs, aims, and policiesI think this qualifies.
(DIR) Post #AEZJOdsKrV0IHX5qzY by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-12-19T09:54:10Z
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@nilesh @kev I was about to suggest a specialized #searchEngine to find extremely lightweight websites which gives that 90s UX: wiby.me, but apparently theyâve recently become #Tor-hostile. Would be useful to add an optional filter to #searx for size/bloat criteria.
(DIR) Post #AEZJOeQineVe0BBJaa by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-12-19T09:55:36Z
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@kev @nilesh Anyway, this search engine goes in the direction of filtering out shitty websites (#Cloudflare sites) â https://sercxi.nnpaefp7pkadbxxkhz2agtbv2a4g5sgo2fbmv3i7czaua354334uqqad.onion/ Thatâs the only search engine thatâs managed to make significant progress away from junk sites.
(DIR) Post #AEZJOfAS3d5aI0Zprs by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-19T17:24:10Z
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@koherecoWatchdog I donât understand how a site immediately becomes âshittyâ if it uses CF. (Thatâs a rhetorical statement)@nilesh
(DIR) Post #AEZRo3FoROv9rhhZCK by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-12-19T18:58:29Z
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@kev @Iutech #Geminiâs appeal is derived more by the push factor than the pull factor⌠it's about empowering ppl to avoid much of the garbage you rant about. More complexity is not always better. When you give developers a langauge or protocol that gives max freedom w/minimum rules, they abuse it and others suffer. That abuse is the underlying cause for the manifestation of junk sites.
(DIR) Post #AEZTHPLfTP3Qk40DgW by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-12-19T19:14:56Z
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@kev @nilesh A #Cloudflare site is instantly shit by your own criteria: âcentralisation, monopolies and tracking ⌠big tech monatization ⌠JavaScript ⌠ads ⌠Tor hostilityâ. All those gripes that you have are shitty things that Cloudflare has a hand in.
(DIR) Post #AEZTrunE2ajUgrIgK0 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-19T19:21:33Z
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@koherecoWatchdog but those are (allegedly) Cloudflareâs motivations, not necessarily that of the site owner. Iâm willing to bet that the vast majority of CF users donât give a damn about any of that, they just want a faster site, or some kind of bot/DDoS protection.Weâre clearly not going to agree here, so probably worth ending the conversation at this point.@nilesh
(DIR) Post #AEZUxvcNzAjIwPf4OO by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-12-19T19:33:50Z
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@kev @nilesh Most Cloudflare users are unaware of the fact that CF sees every packet despite the SSL and they're oblivious to the exclusivity of the default settings. Why does this matter? It doesn't. A CF website is instantly shit regardless of the CF userâs awareness. Whether a website /intends/ to be shitty is a separate matter. So it's a red herring.
(DIR) Post #AEZZyYyy879enXLXua by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-12-19T19:41:02Z
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@nilesh @kev I only covered here what makes #Cloudflare sites instant shit through the lens of your own criteria. But I have to say there is much more criteria to consider than what you wrote in your blog. I suggest this article for a more comprehensive analysis: https://git.disroot.org/dCF/deCloudflare/src/branch/master/subfiles/rapsheet.cloudflare.md
(DIR) Post #AEZZyZWe6u5qTz6RP6 by NeonPurpleStar@mastodon.lol
2021-12-19T20:29:20Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @nilesh @kev Well, fuck, now I feel bad for being on an instance that uses clouflare.
(DIR) Post #AEZZye1HOwySQ9Sxhw by inference@pleroma.inferencium.net
2021-12-19T20:30:09.344328Z
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@NeonPurpleStar @koherecoWatchdog @nilesh @kev Cloudflare is a curse. Anti-Tor, Anti-VPN, anti-freedom.
(DIR) Post #AEZag9PeYfysEkc0dU by NeonPurpleStar@mastodon.lol
2021-12-19T20:36:43Z
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@inference @nilesh @kev @koherecoWatchdog Ok, it might be time to change.
(DIR) Post #AEZbDGdohiAQDC1oEy by inference@pleroma.inferencium.net
2021-12-19T20:44:00.452746Z
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@NeonPurpleStar @nilesh @kev @koherecoWatchdog You may think that this is ironic, coming from a cybersecurity guy who maxes out security for everything, but this quote stands:"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin FranklinI will NEVER apply any so-called "DDoS protection" or fingerprinting just for the easily bypassed "security" benefits. Security should match your threat model; anything more is limiting your freedom. All security I apply is to protect your freedom by stopping high threat adversaries from taking it away. If you don't need that level of security, don't have it. Every step over the security line is another step out of the freedom line.The issue with Cloudflare is they do not respect your freedom in relation to their "security"; they just go all out on blocking privacy (therefore freedom) and fingerprinting the connections. This is not how to do security in a freedom respecting manner as I do. Real cybersecurity is having enough, and not more.
(DIR) Post #AEZbpU8Czp613TT20m by koherecoWatchdog@freeradical.zone
2021-12-19T20:50:17Z
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@inference @NeonPurpleStar @kev @nilesh Just to add to that, /availability/ is part of security, so when #Cloudflare does a pre-emptive DoS on some users using a crude & reckless criteria, the denial of service to legit users is an availability loss, and thus constitutes a security loss. So CF actually hinders security.
(DIR) Post #AEZbpUVFc9WmCwFQvY by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-12-19T20:50:45Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @inference @NeonPurpleStar @nilesh please untag me
(DIR) Post #AEZbsbY5sHTkve3vea by inference@pleroma.inferencium.net
2021-12-19T20:51:29.055732Z
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@koherecoWatchdog @NeonPurpleStar @kev @nilesh You are correct.The CIA triad:- Availability- Confidentiality- Integrity