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(DIR) Post #AENCWv43B9bX5gnqSm by kyle@social.librem.one
2021-12-13T21:10:54Z
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New Toyota car owners will need to pay a $8/mo so their key fob can remote-start their car. Cars before 2018 are excluded, because their internal 3G networks are about to go offline, disabling Toyota's remote control. https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/12/toyota-owners-have-to-pay-8-mo-to-keep-using-their-key-fob-for-remote-start/
(DIR) Post #AENCibZHUWm46Cz0eu by kyle@social.librem.one
2021-12-13T21:13:02Z
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Every car maker is looking for ways to turn a one-time car purchase into a subscription, because technology now grants them remote control of your car. I wrote more about this phenomenon here: https://puri.sm/posts/locked-in-a-remote-control-car/
(DIR) Post #AENDIlziCi4crQam7k by kyle@social.librem.one
2021-12-13T21:19:34Z
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I'm so glad my vehicles are in good shape, and from before this era of always-on networks and remote control. If I needed a car, I wouldn't buy a new one.
(DIR) Post #AENEPPXsAQe5DYIdc0 by kyle@social.librem.one
2021-12-13T21:31:59Z
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Thought experiment: what would a car maker need to be able to do to your car remotely, before you no longer felt that you owned it?
(DIR) Post #AENEu7C4RqWtHIk6yG by michel_slm@floss.social
2021-12-13T21:37:17Z
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@kyle apply software updates without your approval, remotely locking the car without your ability to opt out, sending telemetry without your approval
(DIR) Post #AENEwW0BBOYCnZKDce by dallin@social.librem.one
2021-12-13T21:37:58Z
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@kyle car prices being what they are now, and with all the baked-in dependency on the Internet to even function properly, I've resolved to keep my year 2004 and 2005 vehicles maintained and running as long as possible.
(DIR) Post #AENEywEYclBAjbCorI by keverets@social.librem.one
2021-12-13T21:38:24Z
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@kyle https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/6/21127243/tesla-model-s-autopilot-disabled-remotely-used-car-update
(DIR) Post #AENEzUOJczBefi25my by kyle@social.librem.one
2021-12-13T21:38:30Z
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@michel_slm There are current cars on the market that can do all three.
(DIR) Post #AENGIshbZ0rTWlrkPo by dallin@social.librem.one
2021-12-13T21:53:12Z
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@kyle if a car maker can do ANYTHING remotely to my vehicle - with or without my consent - I would not feel I own it.
(DIR) Post #AENO54f968ZgCWdvBg by Stacky@hulvr.com
2021-12-13T23:20:20Z
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@kyle I am so torn. I feel like one of the plug-in hybrids is the responsible choice, but HELL NO I don’t want someone else in control of my car. It’s mine or it isn’t, screw subscriptions.
(DIR) Post #AENQF45GIwL5D5kZhA by kyle@social.librem.one
2021-12-13T23:44:34Z
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@Stacky My hope is that by the time I do need to get a different car, either the current situation w/ remote control will improve, or else there will be more off-the-shelf EV conversion kits available for older cars.
(DIR) Post #AENQi90J5ggcrqIZn6 by kyle@social.librem.one
2021-12-13T23:49:49Z
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@Stacky There's also an ecological argument to be made for refurbishing and converting existing gasoline cars where the environmental cost of making them has already been spent, instead of throwing them away in favor of spending that cost to make a new car.
(DIR) Post #AENXGUeRiD29ZnprWK by kyle11c@mastodon.online
2021-12-14T01:03:14Z
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@kyle I'm pretty sure the last car manufacture that has gone out of its way not to track its drivers is Mazda.5:17 on this video.https://youtu.be/w3yahl8RMJY?t=317
(DIR) Post #AENfm1h9ho80fbeM76 by isagalaev@mastodon.social
2021-12-14T02:38:36Z
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@kyle I would generalize that to all businesses, easily.
(DIR) Post #AENkvTGj3XMiZ7bugC by kop316@fosstodon.org
2021-12-14T03:36:19Z
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@kyle I was about to post https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/12/toyota-owners-have-to-pay-8-mo-to-keep-using-their-key-fob-for-remote-start/...but I now see that's what started your thought experiment
(DIR) Post #AENx3r8TP0BoM0W0BM by michel_slm@floss.social
2021-12-14T05:52:17Z
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@kyle oh I know. I'm thinking of one in particular from a company owned by an egomaniac
(DIR) Post #AENywfNQvFE3lZDCwS by ruff@social.librem.one
2021-12-14T06:13:25Z
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@kyle Toyota had subscriptions for a long time now (Remote Connect is one of them), although they are all opt-in. At least in Europe.
(DIR) Post #AEO5LQQ7kxiCbYsGOW by fishidwardrobe@mastodon.social
2021-12-14T07:25:06Z
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@kyle anything at all.
(DIR) Post #AEPQDxM7iBWKdCF6tk by moparisthebest@moparisthe.best
2021-12-14T22:49:49.735268Z
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@kyle @Stacky I have a bit of hope, for example Ford just started selling an electric crate motor:https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a38140495/ford-f-100-eluminator-concept-revealed/Still quite a bit of work to go from that to "privacy respecting electric vehicle", but it's a good start.
(DIR) Post #AEPQDxpBy6ly5LqKCu by kyle@social.librem.one
2021-12-14T22:53:45Z
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@moparisthebest @Stacky I wonder how much telemetry and phoning home (if any) is included in that kit.