Post AE3OGaHeHSsIiOLCOe by SciencePhysicist@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #AE25D9KLxGR9xIIKNk by alex@gleasonator.com
2021-12-03T16:39:26.736557Z
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https://about.fb.com/news/2019/08/open-source-photo-video-matching/
(DIR) Post #AE25WfAxlbt2EZCujg by Moon@shitposter.club
2021-12-03T16:43:32.011818Z
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@alex non consensual intimate images (NCII)
(DIR) Post #AE25kk1wVyOPLOhXNY by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2021-12-03T16:46:04.462748Z
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@Moon @alex >non consensual intimate imagesLol. This is when women send you their tits and then retroactively revoke consent after they determine you are a fuckboi.
(DIR) Post #AE25m4C32DCOAU3lVw by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2021-12-03T16:46:18.750832Z
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@alex Huh … of course everyone wants to stop distribution of child abuse imagery, but you have to wonder about “harmful content” and if it will start to capture random memes Facebook determines to be undesirable.You can just write software to hold such posts in a queue, because in most jurisdictions, even possession of child abuse images is a strict liability crime.Also, what if the image hashing gets things wrong and blocks people from uploading a summer beach photo because somehow the hash is similar to a known bad image?Facebook is already hostile to smaller platform, and it makes me worry that smaller sites that start adopting this technology may be allowing tech overlords to censor their users without their knowledge.
(DIR) Post #AE25t6AM6AuOJUcZPM by Moon@shitposter.club
2021-12-03T16:47:34.696949Z
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@djsumdog @alex > but you have to wonder about “harmful content” and if it will start to capture random memes Facebook determines to be undesirable.no you don't, it will definitely be used for that.
(DIR) Post #AE26KR8WEtZxAdnXN2 by Burnt@noagendasocial.com
2021-12-03T16:52:31Z
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@NEETzsche @alex @Moon Tit pics of the damned
(DIR) Post #AE26TIgt0eH9aD6Eeu by alex@gleasonator.com
2021-12-03T16:54:05.066891Z
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@djsumdog Maybe. But I got rejected from Micro$oft PhotoDNA. Child porn is an existential threat to the Fediverse and we need some way to stop it.
(DIR) Post #AE26ZYIrsJbdk4qX5c by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2021-12-03T16:55:15.218087Z
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@alex @djsumdog “Qualified organizations,” like ones that enforce pronouns on behalf of the child trannies.
(DIR) Post #AE26cKCmkQwKt1K6UK by nobullyplz@poa.st
2021-12-03T16:55:45.673572Z
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@alex Graphicsmagick giant loop changing single pixels to mismatch hashes when? :blobwaitwhat:
(DIR) Post #AE26nd235fsESigvZo by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2021-12-03T16:57:48.321080Z
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@alex oh I didn't know anyone could apply to the Microsoft one .. I thought that was some crazy overpriced enterprise thing? That sucks they didn't give you any other reason. Do you have a full LLC or Sole Proprietorship company listed in Texas?
(DIR) Post #AE26pNTlt2DknyUamW by dubh@collapsitarian.io
2021-12-03T16:58:06.828154Z
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@alex @djsumdog The solution is in shifting the architecture of instances, not in assuming liability for uploads and policing them, this is a trap. Single user instances are much better, just be self-accountable. In this way Urbit is technically superior.
(DIR) Post #AE26xC1ANqWBZhq61w by parisc@shitposter.club
2021-12-03T16:59:32.283865Z
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@Moon@djsumdog @alexIt already is. The EFF keeps making posts saying FB already does this with "terrorists" (read: anyone the US government hates).https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/12/facebooks-secret-dangerous-organizations-and-individuals-list-creates-problemsFB also has an invisible database of "terrorist content" using the same tech used to stop CP online, which is worrying when you have the government treating pissed off moms protesting school boards as domestic terrorists or Apple threatening to roll it out on their phones.https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/08/one-database-rule-them-all-invisible-content-cartel-undermines-freedom-1
(DIR) Post #AE276ZiVdlPNgNaPke by parisc@shitposter.club
2021-12-03T17:01:14.007234Z
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@alex@djsumdogDoes Cloudflares work? They made such a tool to get past this blockade.https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/360046106112-Understanding-the-CSAM-Scanning-Tool
(DIR) Post #AE27UXXDPBKTrfjNSK by NickolasGir@paypig.org
2021-12-03T17:05:33Z
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@alex @djsumdog >not important enough to help stop the spread of child pornography.Brutal
(DIR) Post #AE27V1hXFNPTQMn2hs by alex@gleasonator.com
2021-12-03T17:05:36.647324Z
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@parisc @djsumdog Still waiting to hear back about NCMEC credentials which are required to use it. But yes that would work, aside from the fact it puts too much reliance on Cloudflare.
(DIR) Post #AE27nPmETMXFJ3ktIe by apropos@freespeechextremist.com
2021-12-03T17:08:58.792812Z
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@alex @djsumdog you're very aware of the problem with CP, and you're sympathetic with that problem, but would you candidly describe world leaders, intelligence agencies, and police forces as having the protection of children as their #1 concern?There's no AI solution to Jussie Smollett getting attacked in public and attackers finding the guy's gleasonator.com accountpriorities.png
(DIR) Post #AE27qjJeHe4Ym3xyLY by parisc@shitposter.club
2021-12-03T17:09:34.509666Z
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@alex @djsumdog Yeah I agree. CloudFlare in particular I feel is a problem because when you're the only guys doing DDoS protection that's halfway decent it can act like a cartel. When a new CEO replaces whoever is in charge I fear it'll get far worse.
(DIR) Post #AE285M9Oh5nPGv95n6 by alex@gleasonator.com
2021-12-03T17:12:11.326469Z
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@apropos @djsumdog I think politicians will try to shut down the Fediverse because it’s something they can’t control. If there’s CSAM on it, they’ll be justified in doing so.
(DIR) Post #AE28NHiZuf4ejl9NNA by SleebyElf@sleepy.cafe
2021-12-03T17:15:27.014375Z
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@alex @djsumdog I don't believe there's anything that proper modding staff and healthy communities can't handleSure, once you introduce mods you become a tard wrangler but that's how it supposed to be, no software can surpass that and specially not the stuff coming from bad actorsOf course attacks that merit this may occur but it's an exceptional moment not the norm
(DIR) Post #AE28SqvcQfUxO6uA64 by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2021-12-03T17:16:27.043719Z
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@alex @djsumdog @apropos How will they shut down the fediverse? You can’t ban a protocol.
(DIR) Post #AE28jJSW7XscVW8pzE by apropos@freespeechextremist.com
2021-12-03T17:19:26.618808Z
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@NEETzsche @alex @djsumdog they can go after every single registrar and host that a public fediverse server is on. They will inevitably require something like KYC for services, "know what your users are doing", mandating backdoors and monitoring for webhosts.The internet is, unironically, a series of tubes, that (the senator's actual point:) exist in the real world under control by real people that can be arrested.
(DIR) Post #AE28os8ac7vtVcTIK8 by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2021-12-03T17:20:25.581429Z
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@apropos @djsumdog @alex Yeah I just don’t think that’s going to be a successful campaign.
(DIR) Post #AE28zIT9ZIDw4T3q40 by apropos@freespeechextremist.com
2021-12-03T17:22:19.943808Z
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@NEETzsche @alex @djsumdog look at what happened to 8chan *without* government support. The idea that what's on the internet stays on the internet forever, and similar ideas, weren't axiomatic, they were supported by nearly everyone in tech agreeing that this should be the case.
(DIR) Post #AE29EtBXLFhsHrFvMG by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2021-12-03T17:25:07.850824Z
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@apropos @djsumdog @alex Monoliths are much more susceptible. However, the thing that I think you’re missing is that any idiot with $10 in BitCoin can just choose some offshore host that doesn’t give a fuck about American law. The diffuse nature of the fediverse means that I think that they might try to get rid of it, but the degree of corruption required to effectively get rid of it is much higher. It requires ubiquitous global corruption, which I just don’t think they can muster. It’s not like 8chan or KF or whatever else which ultimately has one controlling entity to capture and then you just get your way.
(DIR) Post #AE29PKXuTB2U2bhQYa by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2021-12-03T17:27:01.037596Z
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@NEETzsche @apropos @alex Parler was knocked out because they’re full of dumb-fucks who trusted Amazon, but Daily Stormer was rejected from every major and minor webhost. They’re back up on a .su domain, but imagine if they didn’t have a backup?There aren’t that many hosting providers really. And it wouldn’t be too difficult for legislators to say that every hosting provider (from BlueHost to Azure) must meet certain standards. ISPs could block all inbound traffic to residential IPs.I know it sounds crazy, but look at the fucking world we’re in? We’re full on totalitarian for a virus with a >99% survival rate, governments in free nations are trying to mandate the most experimental drug in modern regulatory history and every basic Internet platform non-tech people know how to use are literally censoring and removing any videos, studies or scientific data showing dangerous/deadly side-effects.
(DIR) Post #AE29h1pYn7yZD1OVs0 by apropos@freespeechextremist.com
2021-12-03T17:30:14.133258Z
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@NEETzsche @alex @djsumdog one BGP update and the IP the site's using on that offshore host is inaccessible. US President signs an order and an intelligence agency dumps 500 Gbit/s of garbage down the "fuck your laws" host's 100Gb/s-max of peering.The only protection the internet enjoyed was governments not getting it, commerce liking it, and techies wanting it to be open.
(DIR) Post #AE29y8RTSm8YdZHl8C by Alex@wreck.rocks
2021-12-03T17:33:19.206366Z
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@alex @apropos @djsumdog If the feds want something gone and plan on using CSAM as an excuse, it doesn't matter how hard you try to fight it or try to clean it up. An FBI agent will post a single pic and your site will forever be labeled a CP site, the media engine will declare it a haven for CP, and the masses will demand it be shut down. As far as they're concerned there's no difference between a single pic that was deleted after 2 minutes, and a hundred thousand pics that are up forever.I'm definitely in favor of fighting against the spread of CP. It's a cause worth fighting for its own sake. I don't think it's going to help much if the feds decide to make a concentrated effort to shut fedi down
(DIR) Post #AE2A1it8PiAgXdvz4C by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2021-12-03T17:33:56.622342Z
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@djsumdog @apropos @alex I know what’s going on and I’m seeing the backlash forming as-is. Biden’s vax mandate got shut down in the Fifth Circuit. Roe v. Wade is on the edge of being overturned. Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted on all charges. My State passed constitutional carry and has explicitly banned vax mandates.I’m actually pretty white pilled today. I don’t think an anti-speech bill under Biden will sail today. I think it’ll face so much undermining behavior that it will effectively just go away.
(DIR) Post #AE2A2etqjDCoSeiNEW by apropos@freespeechextremist.com
2021-12-03T17:34:08.698291Z
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@djsumdog @NEETzsche @alex seriously, people really don't understand how much of the freedom of the internet was due to enough people just not opposing that freedom. It originated as something resistant to nuclear war? Yeah, if the nuked country wants to keep it running. If serious opposition starts, to the point that you can't even buy a computer that's not against you at the hardware level, this all goes away.
(DIR) Post #AE2A4GY0Ez9HVrGL44 by billstclair@impeccable.social
2021-12-03T17:34:25.380469Z
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@alex @apropos @djsumdog If there is Child Sexual Abuse Material on a server, they may be justified in shutting down THAT server, but only after a trial. This is not kindergarten. Do not let them apply kindergarten rules.
(DIR) Post #AE2ADGssMHOnABJt4K by apropos@freespeechextremist.com
2021-12-03T17:36:03.758412Z
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@NEETzsche @djsumdog @alex I don't think things are that bad right now either, but the not-bad status quo requires that people support the internet as it is. This speculation about the government going against the fediverse assumes that the support is gone.
(DIR) Post #AE2AUEzIf7cMCkPs8W by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2021-12-03T17:39:06.581258Z
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@apropos I don’t assume that. I think that shitlibs might actually make an attempt on it today, I just think it’ll be ineffectual. Here’s how I imagine it happening:AOC and blue check Twitter start posting screenshots from the fediverse and demanding that someone “does something” about it. Millions of boomercons and normies flock to “free speech Twitter,” except actually this time, because she’s screenshotting people saying nigger and faggot. They figure out how federation works after the fact.Meanwhile, the shitlib machine is whirring up to “do something” about the fediverse, but by then the rightist support for it has also whirred up. There’s a massive political battle over this.@djsumdog @alex
(DIR) Post #AE2AysC3SdAmUDzNAG by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2021-12-03T17:44:38.253489Z
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@Alex @apropos @alex I think there's some leeway if you allow user generated content, so long as you take down and report quickly. Even though it is a strict liability crime, you need to be able to reasonably maintain your platform. Section 230 doesn't explicitly cover that kind of content, but it still applies as far as governance. That being said, if you end up in court over it, you've likely already lost a few tens of thousands of dollars to lawyers and your life is now in the hands of a judge or jury.
(DIR) Post #AE2BAmKl4YdpmvjkBs by nerdman@kiwifarms.cc
2021-12-03T17:46:48.540177Z
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@NEETzsche @djsumdog @apropos @alex I bet they're thinking of the children. But maybe not in the way the meme would suggest.
(DIR) Post #AE2BaiSq5AYDJdsu24 by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2021-12-03T17:51:29.132706Z
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@nerdman The fedi is basically just the web. It's like trying to stop ... the web ... I mean the web + rss + pingbacks + all those other failed independent ideas rolled into something that sorta half works but works better than anything before it.But I agree with you, most people in congress have no idea how any of this underlying technology works. To quote one corrurpt and insane Alaskan senator, "The Internet is a series of Tubes!" @apropos @alex @NEETzsche
(DIR) Post #AE2BetiOC5snMs9TjE by nerdman@kiwifarms.cc
2021-12-03T17:52:15.208106Z
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@djsumdog @apropos @alex @NEETzsche This is why even retards use TOR.
(DIR) Post #AE2BqA5Dg4stJoCZDk by xianc78@gameliberty.club
2021-12-03T17:54:17Z
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@djsumdog @apropos @alex @NEETzsche @nerdman >But I agree with you, most people in congress have no idea how any of this underlying technology works.It doesn't matter. They're puppets of the shadow government who DO know how all this works.
(DIR) Post #AE2C1sVCrv32GdwZWK by nerdman@kiwifarms.cc
2021-12-03T17:56:24.427870Z
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@xianc78 @djsumdog @apropos @alex @NEETzsche There's no evil super villanous cabal. Probably just a stand alone complex.
(DIR) Post #AE2COgrmITHEq7NZ0y by nerdman@kiwifarms.cc
2021-12-03T18:00:31.801966Z
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@Eris @NEETzsche @alex @apropos @djsumdog @xianc78 Not impossible. But very unlikely. People are just too dumb to hide things.I mean supposedly the most genius villanous cabal is the jewish one. And they couldn't even figure out how to hid they have nukes hidden in this Dimona place or something. I think they were sold out by one of their own.Nah. People are too stupid. Trust me I should know, I'm an expert at being stupid.
(DIR) Post #AE2CZxJZU0FT2RkcF6 by nerdman@kiwifarms.cc
2021-12-03T18:02:33.958309Z
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@Eris @NEETzsche @alex @apropos @djsumdog @xianc78 Hmm. I see what you mean. Maybe you're right. So you have like the ADL, they're a cabal and not hidden. Just ignore when you call them a cabal.That's kind of genius actually. As expected of my higher IQ brethren.
(DIR) Post #AE2Cf9FoWIZNW2TA5g by nerdman@kiwifarms.cc
2021-12-03T18:03:30.268912Z
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@Eris @NEETzsche @alex @apropos @djsumdog @xianc78 Well it can't be THAT easy. Otherwise I would be ruling the world.Aw shit. There I go blowing my cover.
(DIR) Post #AE2Dx29hkbfWfOhiiW by judgedread@freespeechextremist.com
2021-12-03T18:17:56.909793Z
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@alex No image upload.
(DIR) Post #AE2ENreitdbdvB0TRo by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
2021-12-03T18:22:47.326406Z
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@alex @djsumdog @moonJust ask for the hashes of the already known images to the :glowing: authorities, oh wait they won't do that for some reason :Thinker: Tbh you can't mitigate this effectively, it's not a problem that can be solved.
(DIR) Post #AE2FEFudxIFID7R3CK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2021-12-03T18:32:15.617187Z
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@parisc @alex @djsumdog cloudflare shouldn't be considered as an option to anything. They control enough of the web
(DIR) Post #AE2FkOriCl6fFAOLpI by billstclair@impeccable.social
2021-12-03T18:38:03.932800Z
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@alex @apropos @djsumdog Of course, the problem with federation is that other server’s content gets copied to your server. So you have to be careful about that. Nasty stuff WILL be out there. You need to ban servers that allow it.
(DIR) Post #AE2H1O80Iaqlpmg0au by retiolus@mamot.fr
2021-12-03T18:44:07Z
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@alex @djsumdog And why not rely on open-source projects like NudeNet (https://github.com/notAI-tech/NudeNet) and age detectors to make the connection between pornography and children?
(DIR) Post #AE2O0kUgMDUCadvV9k by derek@gorf.pub
2021-12-03T20:10:39.537020Z
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@alex @djsumdog Yeah, no crap, and so is lolicon. Why do think I care so much about both and all I get is a bunch of faggots arguing with me about their lolicon. We are working on some AI for our new FE.
(DIR) Post #AE3HQup44ZcPdFwyZM by Pross988@iddqd.social
2021-12-04T06:31:39.685239Z
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@djsumdog @alex Hashes don't work that way, if one pixel is changed, or even if the metadata is different it won't mean anything. Apple's filter is image recognition that matches the hashed results of observations to a hash of things that Apple is looking for.
(DIR) Post #AE3JzrjTkloq5m8Aa0 by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2021-12-04T06:59:54.339845Z
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@Pross988 @alex I thought image hashes were different, so they could account for resizing, recompression, watermarks, etc.
(DIR) Post #AE3LsZqm2b9uVpCAYi by SciencePhysicist@fosstodon.org
2021-12-04T07:21:28Z
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@djsumdog @apropos @alex @NEETzsche@iddqd.social the most experimental drug in history? Get off it. It's one of the most administered drug in history now. It's left experimental in the review mirror 12 months ago.I think actual totalitarian regimes would have a thing to say about your use of their term btw. If public health measures so you don't infect those at risk are too much for you, you fail at adultingGrow up
(DIR) Post #AE3Mr59amfzSyPqfA0 by apropos@freespeechextremist.com
2021-12-04T07:32:25.761147Z
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@SciencePhysicist @djsumdog @alex >so you don't infect those at risktoo bad these 'vaccines' don't offer this.
(DIR) Post #AE3NJCkk7kMqeNdRYW by apropos@freespeechextremist.com
2021-12-04T07:37:30.709806Z
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@SciencePhysicist @alex @djsumdog course of this discussion so I can just mute you and move on:(brainwashing opener)you: *absolute statement*me: *challenge*(bargaining phase)you: *hyperbolic statement*me: precisely, how "super duper" is the protection? If we need time to answer that, then we're in experimental phase of this weak prophylactic masquerading as a vaccine.(misdirection phase)me: fuck off
(DIR) Post #AE3Nn6G0q5OtBxW53Y by SciencePhysicist@fosstodon.org
2021-12-04T07:42:54Z
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@apropos @djsumdog @alex No vaccine does what you are suggesting against any disease. Vaccines train your immune system, they aren't some magic shield against disease. You still get infected and your immune system mounts a defence, just quicker as your immune system. During this time you're still infectious, just less and for a shorter timeYou don't need to put the word vaccine in quotes btw, it is what it is.
(DIR) Post #AE3NvJ8qop6vT9533o by SciencePhysicist@fosstodon.org
2021-12-04T07:44:22Z
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@apropos @djsumdog @alex No vaccine does what you are suggesting against any disease. Vaccines train your immune system, they aren't some magic shield against disease. You still get infected and your immune system mounts a defence, just quicker as your immune system already understands the invader. During this time you're still infectious, less and for a shorter timeYou don't need to put the word vaccine in quotes btw, it is what it is.
(DIR) Post #AE3OGaHeHSsIiOLCOe by SciencePhysicist@fosstodon.org
2021-12-04T07:48:13Z
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@apropos @djsumdog @alex lol and I did none of that.I like you, you're good value
(DIR) Post #AE3P4FPa9li0ScjVjc by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2021-12-04T07:57:12.500799Z
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@SciencePhysicist @apropos @alex It’s one of the most administered drug in history now. It’s left experimental in the review mirror 12 months ago.The shortest development time for a vaccine prior to this was 4 years. We know that Pfizer cut corners, due to a whistle-blower who went on the record in a prominent medical journal:https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635Many of the barriers for double blinds were cut, patient data was displayed openly on charts, needles were placed in plastic bags instead of bio-hazard disposal .. a complete fucking mess and no major media networks covered it.Jessica Rose and Peter McCullough had a paper on the vaccines and myocarditis approved, and then pulled with no explanation. Even the pre-print being removed as well! https://odysee.com/@DarkHorsePodcastClips:b/paper-pulled-with-no-explanation:eEvery single video of adverse effects has been pulled from Facebook, Instagram, Twitter and all of main stream media (paid for my Pfizer).I’ve written more about it here:https://battlepenguin.com/politics/untested/This drug went into production with less than a year of testing. It’s still in emergency use authorization in the United States. The approved version is not for sale yet, and Pfizer has stated in documents it is chemically different. You cannot hire nine women and make a baby in a month. You can not run several trials in parallel and shorten the 3+ year longitudinal study. All of the current trials won’t be done until 2022 to 2025 and even the approved version has several pending trials listed in its biologic license approval.We have zero long term testing.Grow upI have a bachelors and a masters degree. That doesn’t make me right or correct, but it shows I’m not an idiot. I’m not a child. I’m nearly 40. I’ve done the research and looked at facts on all sides and taking this vaccine is a game of Russian roulette. Millions are tolerating this vaccine alright, I’ll give you that. But 1 in 100,000 or as high as 1 in 50,000 are suffering platelet loss, blood clots, heart enlargement … over 15k have died after it according to VARES.If you’re going to argue, give a real argument. Don’t call me a child. I’m an adult and I expect an adult counter argument. This isn’t safe. You are the experiment. Change my mind.
(DIR) Post #AE3SYXrwOeNeFt8ViC by SciencePhysicist@fosstodon.org
2021-12-04T08:36:14Z
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@djsumdog @apropos @alex Some of your sources are a bit cherry picked, I will have a closer look at the BMD one tho.I'm afraid I can't take a video posted to odysee or anything referencing the Joe Rogan pod cast seriously.I would be interested on where you got your deaths and complications stats from too.I was not suggesting you were a child, just that calling public health measures totalitarian as selfish/childish
(DIR) Post #AE3W5nJwGiUzb1mJ28 by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2021-12-04T09:15:54.211474Z
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@SciencePhysicist You discredit it because it’s a video on Odysee? YouTube fact-selection and censorship is your source of truth? That podcast is on YouTube too btw, and the people in it are Brett Weinstein and Heather Hying, two well respected evolutionary biologists who were the center of the Evergreen College moral panic.cherry pickedAh yes, the game of “my sources are better than yours” because … why exactly? You are very invested in your belief. I get that. We all build deeply held moral beliefs. We then seek validation for those beliefs. Facebook/Twitter/YouTube help by censoring all doctors who say otherwise. This is not new, it started with the Bakersfield doctors during the first few months of the Pandemic:https://battlepenguin.com/politics/this-is-not-a-time-of-honor/#censorshipAustralia has literally been putting people into quarantine (concentration) camps for months. They have declared endless lockdowns. They have had massive protests in all their major cities and no one in the main stream media is covering (go to Rebel News if you want to see what’s happening). A man was shot, by a police officer, with a live round, during a lockdown protest in Rottendam last month.Never before in the history of modern society have we seen the measures taken, for a disease with over a 99.9% survival rate for those under 60. And now nations are taking away basic liberties and rights for refusing to take a medication that has been tested on human beings for less than a year.This is totalitarianism. If you can’t see that, you’re very likely in the 66% who would have murdered the person in the other room in the Milgram Experiments. @apropos @alex
(DIR) Post #AE3YwWGwaHYpyhe84u by SciencePhysicist@fosstodon.org
2021-12-04T09:47:51Z
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@djsumdog @apropos @alex I'm in Australia, the lock downs are not what your conservative media thinks they are, we've all had a good laugh at your coverage. Do we have restrictions on some travel between covid hotspots? Yes, but now that our vaccination rates are nearing 90% were opening back upThe protests were a few hundred antivaxers who have worked themselves up into a frenzy and a set of counterprotesters protesting their stupidity.
(DIR) Post #AE3ZS8rDAzAYclgliy by SciencePhysicist@fosstodon.org
2021-12-04T09:53:34Z
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@djsumdog @apropos @alex I will play the sources dick measuring contest, because your sources are in some cases fictitious.Case in point, you bringing up Australia without asking anyone here. We also embrace our government as the public service it is, because it was granted to us, we didn't fight for our independence. If you want to understand why Australia is not "America lite" https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/q65inl/we_live_in_a_time_when_americans_think_its/hga9jf5/?context=3 puts it better than I can.
(DIR) Post #AE3cULkyUGhD4ZW3ZA by shitpisscum@shitpisscum.mooo.com
2021-12-04T10:27:33.000888Z
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@djsumdog @alex @Pross988 Yea it's called fuzzy hashing iirc
(DIR) Post #AE3yhRNMSZnCtpuT20 by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2021-12-04T14:36:27.093669Z
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@djsumdog How long after a vaccine's administration do you think new side effects can pop up?Come to think of it: Is there *any* material out there known to have such an effect on the human body, where you take it two times within one month, have no serious adverse effects for months, then a year later you suddenly get a serious side effect from the thing you took a year ago? Does that happen? Genuine question, I don't know the answer.And yes, I know about boosters. But in 4 days it will be exactly one year since the first Pfizer/Biontech vaccine against COVID was administered, and if there were going to be serious adverse effects I think we would have began seeing them long ago.People like to mention the thalidomide scandal in this debate, but the thing is, that was a medicine people kept taking and taking. It wasn't a thing you administered to a patient a few times only, they took it regularly over the duration of a whole pregnancy.@SciencePhysicist @apropos @alex
(DIR) Post #AE3zq3JVOM2UpfmCq8 by polarisera@gleasonator.com
2021-12-04T14:49:12.597392Z
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@alex @djsumdog Seriously, cannot we not discuss this from existing stand-point. It's 10,000 times easier to fool AI/autoencoding with fuzzing, than it is to actual detect a new bad image. The only reason we are not seeing it is proof that existing channels for CP already exist. It is 10,000 easier to create false positives as well. So many people are unwilling to point out just how fucking stupid and mathematically illiterate the world has become. AI is not a short-cut for no-math morons. AI is just a compression algorithm based on probability, probability in, probability out. There is no real AI, there is no intelligence. There is nothing but a bunch of men lying their asses off as usual, selling the world fake marketing material. How do we know? By the method in which AI fails -- fuzzing. It never fools humans with bayesian neurons and receptors firing and developing from birth.
(DIR) Post #AE4044wC9OKdvJYsIC by apropos@freespeechextremist.com
2021-12-04T14:51:46.436595Z
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@taylan @djsumdog @SciencePhysicist @alex >a year laterthe "literally everyone is going to die from the vaccine in three years" narratives are based on lunar emanations and Chinese translations or (a serious term:) original antigenic sin, where what kills you is your immune system's sabotaged response to later infections, not spike protein in your system.The spike protein is Russian Roulette.vaers.png
(DIR) Post #AE4C3uFv431YFCTJBI by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2021-12-04T17:06:10.987548Z
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@taylan Come to think of it: Is there any material out there known to have such an effect on the human body, where you take it two times within one month, have no serious adverse effects for months, then a year later you suddenly get a serious side effect from the thing you took a year ago?DDT caused birth defects. Even low exposure at any time during pregnancy can lead to birth defects.You ever hear of lead poisoning? Any type of heavy metal in a water supply, over the court of time, can build up to toxic levels in a human being.But in 4 days it will be exactly one year since the first Pfizer/Biontech vaccine against COVID was administered, and if there were going to be serious adverse effects I think we would have began seeing them long ago1 year is nothing in drug testing time. There is a reason why all drugs have longitudinal reproductive studies, to prevent disasters like Thalidomide.Also, there have been nearly one million reported adverse events reported to VARES by American doctors, along with 30,000 deaths also reported by doctors:https://openvaers.com/In just the first four months of this year, the U.S. government has recorded more deaths after COVID vaccinations than from all other vaccines administered in the United States between mid-1997 and the end of 2013https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-how-many-americans-have-died-after-taking-the-covid-vaccineDoctors in many nations cannot even talk about adverse events in public spaces for fear of losing their licenses:https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/bc-doctors-misinformation-covid-19-1.6021489A US Health and Human Services doctor was recorded in secrete stating that “This vaccine is shit” when treating an adverse reaction, disclosed by a whistle blower who lost her job after going on the record with Project Veritas:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obdI7tgKLtAAt a very minimum, there is plenty of data to indicate that people are not foolish, childish or dumb for not wanting to take a drug that is being forcibly shoved down our throats; that is likely entirely unnecessary. @SciencePhysicist @apropos @alex
(DIR) Post #AE4EZ9HTS2H3jGDxOC by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2021-12-04T17:34:14.120132Z
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@apropos Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?@djsumdog @SciencePhysicist @alex
(DIR) Post #AE4EiuKZtDEmG5KTiq by apropos@freespeechextremist.com
2021-12-04T17:36:01.387872Z
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@taylan @SciencePhysicist@fosstodon.or,g @alex @djsumdog summary for morons:1. https://search.brave.com/search?q=original+antigenic+sin2. the fucking pic
(DIR) Post #AE4GBeiX7TGoBZo396 by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2021-12-04T17:52:23.950425Z
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@djsumdog OK so first of all VAERS is a freaking joke, I don't understand how people who claim to be well informed on COVID can still reference it. It just shows how extremely ill informed you are, sorry.(Also, kinda funny how Tucker Carlson can't even spell the acronym VAERS correctly, making the same typo twice after having already written out the expansion of it, but anyway.)Literally anyone on the planet can fill out the online form for VAERS and say that the vaccine turned them into a zombie and the system will happily accept it. For all we know there could be 4chan trolls (or Russian intelligence agents :ageblobcat:) sitting on their PC all day making up stories about how teenagers die after getting the vaccine.As for DDT, lead poisoning etc., you seem to have missed the point of my question...> Any type of heavy metal in a water supply, over the court of time, can build up to toxic levels in a human being.You see, nobody's putting mRNA vaccines in your water supply or getting you vaccinated every day over the course of a year. That was the point of my question: is there any material that's known to cause adverse reactions a whole year after you've been once or twice exposed to it, then not exposed to it again for a whole year?I really wouldn't say there's "plenty of data" to justify skepticism against COVID vaccines, I'd say there's just about enough disinformation, illogical takes, and wildly incorrect interpretations of studies and statistics to explain why there's so many scientifically illiterate and gullible people who end up believing in the conspiracy theories.But sorry, I don't buy it that anyone with a moderate level of scientific literacy can take the coofspiracy theories seriously.@SciencePhysicist @apropos @alex
(DIR) Post #AE4I2viejkzUDbpZ5c by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2021-12-04T18:13:13.941493Z
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@apropos You didn't have to be so rude apropos of nothing... (Get it? Haha.)You could have just mentioned "original antigenic sin" alone and clarified its meaning with a Wikipedia link instead of talking about lunar emanations and Chinese translations. But anyway.I cannot take VAERS seriously since anyone on the planet can fill it out with fake info.As for the antigenic issue: Yeah, my aunt was raving about how thousands of people were going to die during Fall due to messed up immune responses and "cytokine storms" and stuff. Guess what, no such thing happened. (OMG what a shock.) Secondly, getting exposed to the virus itself causes the exact same issues except to a worse degree: cytokine storms in response to an actual COVID infection are well known.As for how big a risk Original Antigenic Sin poses w.r.t. COVID and vaccines, there's a few studies about it already:https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2772613421000068https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/mSphere.00056-21https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0256482Long story short is that it's an interesting hypothesis that OAS may make some vaccines less effective than desired, and vaccine manufacturers should keep this in mind, but there's an equally good chance that OAS actually helps in fighting COVID. All in all, our knowledge about OAS does not in any way lead to the conclusion that COVID vaccines should be avoided, are ineffective, or have serious risks.@djsumdog @alex
(DIR) Post #AE4Im3NT6uZ709R9Wa by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2021-12-04T18:21:22.670723Z
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@taylan OK so first of all VAERS is a freaking joke, I don’t understand how people who claim to be well informed on COVID can still reference it. It just shows how extremely ill informed you are, sorryIt’s literally the legal, standard, Federal database run by the Department of Health and Human Services.Literally anyone on the planet can fill out the online form for VAERS and say that the vaccine turned them into a zombie and the system will happily accept itPeople literally cannot post information about any vaccine injury to any social media without their posts and videos being deleted. Do you have proof that 4chan trolls are flooding VARES? How else do we measure vaccine injury? The studies where Pfizer cut corers and blatantly lied about standards and ethical practices?https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635Okay, so if VARES is that bad, and we have evidences from people on the inside in a respect medical journal (BMJ) that show major pharma companies cut corners, and we have wide spread suppression of anyone trying to talk about their injuries on all big tech and big media platforms, then we literally have no way of measuring any adverse events period. You see, nobody’s putting mRNA vaccines in your water supply or getting you vaccinated every day over the course of a year.You’re moving goalposts. Look, a tiny bit of LSD, in the micrograms, will make you experience absolutely wild hallucinations. Small amounts of arsenic will kill you. Small amounts of drugs can have very significant and long term effects. Determining the long term effects of drugs is difficult. We’re seeing calls for 3rd, 4th “boosters” (which, by the way, shows how ineffective this vaccine is) in some countries. When you injection something every few months, are you saying that’s not going to build up?The Hep B vaccine requires three shots in three months and it’s efficacy rate is under 60% in most studies. So yes, even small doses of things spaces far apart can have great cumulative effects or no effects at all. You’re also straw-manning the argument. You need research to determine those effects, and that research is literally missing because it’s literally impossible to complete for several more years.disinformation, illogical takes, and wildly incorrect interpretationsRead the books the ones with the money and power incentives are actively trying to burn. If you believe every little text under a Tweet or Facebook posts means it’s literally misinformation, you really have done no original research into the absolutely disaster, interest conflicting, money slush-pit that is this new fact checking industry.I don’t buy it that anyone with a moderate level of scientific literacy can take the coofspiracy theories seriously.ad hominem. I am scientifically literate. I have a bachelors, a masters, have been involved on the ground floor of multi-million dollar ecological research projects and have four publications in multidisciplinary research. I’ve lived in three countries. I’ve literally traveled across this planet over the course of five years.I don’t think the vaccines have been proven safe or effective. @SciencePhysicist @apropos @alex
(DIR) Post #AE4Lixyn1WRrFm755E by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2021-12-04T18:54:26.841676Z
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@djsumdog > It’s literally the legal, standard, Federal database run by the Department of Health and Human Services.That doesn't make it any less shitty / change any of what I said. Blame the US government and DoH.Also why do you keep spelling it "VARES"? It's VAERS.The article you shared talks about issues in one company that Pfizer contracted to have trials done. We've since had millions (or even billions?) of people around the globe vaxxed with the stuff and you can't hide serious adverse effects on such astronomic scale.Various countries have various systems for reporting adverse effects. The UK apparently has what's called the "Yellow Card Scheme":https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reportingNew Zealand has the Centre for Adverse Reactions Monitoring (CARM):https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines/covid-19-vaccine-side-effects-and-reactionsIn Germany we have the Paul-Ehrlich-Institut to whom adverse effects are reported, they developed an app called SafeVac which I also used to report my status:https://www.pei.de/DE/newsroom/dossier/coronavirus/arzneimittelsicherheit.htmlComing back to VAERS, I'm not sure what the CDS themselves actually do with it. Maybe they sift through the mass of data to pick credible reports and use those as the basis for their conclusions, because they do reference VAERS in their safety report:https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/safety-of-vaccines.htmlPerhaps the main issue with things like OpenVAERS is that they represent unfiltered data, I'm not sure TBH. I should check their database some time to see if my report that I turned into a zombie is present there, LOL. Because VAERS happily took that report of mine, thanking me for helping.> You’re moving goalposts. Look, a tiny bit of LSD, in the micrograms, will make you experience absolutely wild hallucinations. Small amounts of arsenic will kill you. Small amounts of drugs can have very significant and long term effects.You're still missing the point. I'm not going to get hallucinations one year after I've taken a microgram of LSD. I'll get them immediately, then they'll go away. I won't die a year after consuming arsenic, I'll die right away. The effects can be "long term" only insofar they kick in immediately and don't go away (i.e. causing permanent damage) but they won't first pop up a year after being exposed to the material.> Determining the long term effects of drugs is difficult. We’re seeing calls for 3rd, 4th “boosters” (which, by the way, shows how ineffective this vaccine is) in some countries.The effectiveness of the vaccines are estimated to drop down from 90% to 40%-50% after 6 months. That does not in any way "show how ineffective they are."And yeah, if you get no serious adverse effects from vaccinating millions of people, giving some of them a third dose 6 months later sounds quite OK to me. It's still not comparable to something like thalidomide which is literally taken every single day, or lead in the water supply which you're also exposed to every single day.There's no evidence that there's anything that can "build up" in the vaccines. The mRNA is destroyed in 1-2 days, likewise the spike proteins produced. Please tell me if there's evidence of any sort of material in the vaccine that's known to build up in the body. (Even then, a total of 4-5 doses across 1-2 years would be unlikely to cause a significant build-up.)> The Hep B vaccine requires three shots in three months and it’s efficacy rate is under 60% in most studies. So yes, even small doses of things spaces far apart can have great cumulative effects or no effects at all.Now you're conflating an immune response with direct danger from a material. Of course, the immune response triggered by the vaccines are expected to have some sort of long-term effect. The immune system doesn't fully forget. That's what @apropos was talking about for instance when he referenced OAS, about which you can see my response to him.> You need research to determine those effects, and that research is literally missing because it’s literally impossible to complete for several more years.This is a bit like concerns about 5G. Everything we know about electromagnetic radiation indicates that there's no serious reason to worry that millimeter waves could have adverse effects. Yet the simple fact that we don't have any long-term studies directly testing their effect makes some people worry. In case of 5G I can actually empathize more because we don't urgently need 5G, but the vaccine is another story entirely. It saves thousands of lives already.@SciencePhysicist @apropos @alex
(DIR) Post #AE4RLqHo3npMSRMgim by apropos@freespeechextremist.com
2021-12-04T19:57:31.195326Z
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@djsumdog @taylan @SciencePhysicist @alex >It’s literally the legal, standard, Federal database run by the Department of Health and Human Services.I appreciate your posts but I'm saving a lot of time by eagerly muting these ostriches. Someone who sneers at VAERS isn't like this due to censorship or misinformation but because he's an active participant in resisting information reaching his brain. This guy isn't going to believe in vaccine injuries even after every other advert that he sees starts "Did you or a loved one suffer a serious vaccine injury in 2020-2022? A recent act of Congress means that you may be eligible to join a class action lawsuit ..."
(DIR) Post #AE4SaOPi4W8iJJZ0wy by taylan@pl.tkammer.de
2021-12-04T20:11:19.687590Z
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@apropos Why would the lizard people who control the worldwide coof conspiracy allow for such ads instead of censoring and banning them?Seriously, you guys can't even deliver a straight story without self-contradiction.I bet you also thought the world was going to end in 2012, and when that didn't happen, that Obama was going to implement communism in the US.@djsumdog @SciencePhysicist @alex