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(DIR) Post #ADdS2oQho4CtQBKl72 by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T19:28:03Z
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Current status of the Reconciliation Bill, which was passed by the House.Article in The Hill:Much angst and uncertainty among Senate Dems and the disgruntled leftist media covering this quagmire."Democrats plow ahead as Manchin yo-yos"https://thehill.com/policy/equilibrium-sustainability/582271-democrats-plow-ahead-as-manchin-yo-yos1/2
(DIR) Post #ADdS7Qf7bJft9iHJI0 by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T19:28:53Z
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"if there’s a path forward" Sen Cardin"Even as Democrats are predicting an end-of-the-year time frame, they don’t yet have a lock on the 50 votes they’ll need to navigate the legislation through a series of procedural landmines."2/3
(DIR) Post #ADdSA8Bqji5AjZsIzI by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T19:29:23Z
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"But Manchin has been clear that he doesn’t yet support the climate and spending bill. Manchin has taken issue with language related to a tax credit for electric vehicles, though Democrats are continuing to try to figure out a way to address Manchin’s concerns to keep the language in the bill. "3/4
(DIR) Post #ADdSD24dvtGqdLt5kG by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T19:29:54Z
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But they are hopeful!Oh yes - very hopeful!"Manchin is also still opposed to including paid family leave in the bill, increasing the chances that it will ultimately be jettisoned.And he’s not yet willing to say that he will start the debate on the social spending and spending plan. To bring the bill to the Senate floor, Schumer will need total unity in his caucus"4/5
(DIR) Post #ADdSFtQ2ZGYaeyGBAe by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T19:30:24Z
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“No, no, I’m still looking at everything,” Manchin said. “When the final bill comes out, when the CBO [Congressional Budget Office] score comes out, then we’ll go from there.” Manchin isn’t the only Democrat who is on the fence — Sen. Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) hasn’t said if she will support the bill, and the House legislation is facing several changes as Senate Democrats tune in. But he’s been the most open about his red flags, sometimes to the chagrin of his colleagues."5/6
(DIR) Post #ADdSSoXA2fC1H0kfya by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T19:32:46Z
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Here is the key sentence. Manchin is not even willing to say whether he will allow debate"And he’s not yet willing to say that he will start the debate on the social spending and spending plan"Manchin has stated that he would potentially support waiting until next year to consider this gigantic garbage Bill. That would kill itHe and Sinema may agree to bring it to a vote in some form by next month. But it will look nothing like the House Bill6/7
(DIR) Post #ADdSkyH8YtQOhNumKO by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T19:36:02Z
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No energy, conviction or enthusiasm among Senate Dems now.Biden's ratings are in the low 30s in swing states where Dem Senators must compete.No public support for massive new spendingThe elections and the Biden/Harris implosion have knocked the Dems flat.Even Sanders has stopped yelling for a few days.Their momentum has gone and the pall of failure and futility hangs over the Democrats and the entire left. 7/7
(DIR) Post #ADdSnHHQsDd4Di9X8q by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T19:36:28Z
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No energy, conviction or enthusiasm among Senate Dems now.Biden's ratings are in the low 30s in swing states where Dem Senators will be facing reelection.No public support for massive new spendingThe elections and the Biden/Harris implosion have knocked the Dems flat.Even Sanders has stopped yelling for a few days.Their momentum has gone and the pall of failure and futility hangs over the Democrats and the entire left. 7/7
(DIR) Post #ADdT32Q3tS32lOhijY by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T19:39:18Z
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@timr Thank you.Very good summary. Also,Manchin No Hyde, No vote. I will be enjoying until the 31st, loose cannons on the left will be firing off like 4th of July 💥"Manchin says reconciliation bill must include controversial Hyde Amendmenthttps://thehill.com/homenews/senate/574621-manchin-says-reconciliation-bill-must-include-controversial-hyde-amendment
(DIR) Post #ADdUr9L6XTFGeuqPY0 by DeWalt@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T19:59:34Z
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@timr If your on the fence about anything with Climate language in it?Your Stupid
(DIR) Post #ADdV8zWhlHgrRAmIBE by REX@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T20:02:47Z
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@timr Very good thread, thanks Tim.The Obama/Biden gang in freefall, lashing out as they bleed out.And once they're gone, who do the Democrats have left?We may be entering the most dangerous times, though. A dying beast lashing out that can still bid the DOJ, FBI and military to cause havoc, is not a pretty picture.
(DIR) Post #ADdVULisQo7mMKehyC by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T20:06:38Z
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@REX Yes, the old, sclerotic establishment left are in their final death throes of power and influence.The Dems are now the party of radicalism. They have done this to themselves. This month's elections are proof positive that next year will be the deluge for the leftThey are dangerous as they flail and thrash. At the same time, the public is awake and on offense. The left have gone much too far and there is a powerful and united pushback that is growing in momentum
(DIR) Post #ADdZ8WTq9dJlAWTCue by REX@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T20:47:31Z
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@timr They're desperate. But not stupid - they'll have a plan in place.For example, instal Michelle Obama as VP with a non-stop, 24/7 coordinated FakeNews campaign that deifies her as the second coming.Or Susan Rice gets the nod.Biden may step down but only if the crooks are certain that their corruption will not be exposed.
(DIR) Post #ADdZzMMKVzqt7u9T1s by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T20:57:03Z
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@REX At this point, the Dems are both very desperate and very stupid at the same time. They are in panic, and they lack both wisdom and applied intelligence. Nothing the are doing now indicates any strategy or planning. So I would not be surprised by anything they do, or try to do1/2
(DIR) Post #ADda8OhHBzLiz2G6QS by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T20:58:43Z
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@REX Attempting to circumvent succession by installing Michelle Obama would only make the Dems' civil war worse. Michelle vs Kamala is not a viable option. The Obama name is badly tarnished now anyway and Michelle Obama has never indicated any interest in running for office. Biden was Obama's VP and all of this will only further destroy the vain one's legacy and reputation2/3
(DIR) Post #ADdaJhSdljAEMdnoR6 by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T21:00:45Z
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@REX There are no good options for the Dems. In 2024, there is Biden, who is claiming he will run but it is highly unlikely he will. He is the worst and on track to being the most consistently unpopular President in US history.There is Harris, the worst VP in history, who would be steamrolled by any Republican, without exception, but who is the likely candidate. Trying to force her out will not be easyShe could not manage 5% in CA polls in 2019, and stalled at less than 3 nationally3/4
(DIR) Post #ADdaQPXen2MAofLh0i by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T21:01:58Z
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@REX There is the possibility - likelihood - of serious primary challenges in 2024, with no solid candidates. Buttigieg is a lightweight, shallow, incompetent fool. Sanders and Warren are past it. But they all may run. This will only produce more conflict, bitterness and accusations.The Dems' own civil war has begun. It has to play out. Just as the disintegration of the left has to play out. There is nothing they can do to stop it4/4
(DIR) Post #ADdg3PgKheDYJZp9do by Dawnz@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T22:05:01Z
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@timr @REX Great thread, Thanks Rex and Tim
(DIR) Post #ADdgeJsVFBRT1t7BGS by Lisa22@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T22:11:42Z
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@timr @REX I think they will all run. They are fools.
(DIR) Post #ADdh4kdyLugTZRvDfM by Debradelai@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-21T22:16:28Z
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@SusanInVA @timr Remember the four names I told you to keep in mind?Hyde, Byrd, Manchin, Sinema.This thing is going nowhere fast.Even if they manage to turn this horse into a camel and send it back...
(DIR) Post #ADfGGXi9x51OUSCMEa by Savannahga66@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-22T16:25:30Z
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@timr @REX Wonder if they're putting Tulsi Gabbard out front as the rational, reasonable choice. Fox News is sure falling for it. She's everywhere.
(DIR) Post #ADoadKd1MGzqexxc4O by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-27T04:26:07Z
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@Savannahga66 @REX Yes, she is everywhere. But the Dems loathe her. She is not one of them.She is not a conservative either, at all. Her domestic policies are bad. Her foreign policies are far worse.But I don't think most voters know that. She is pretty, charming, straightforward - unheard of among Democrats, and makes sensible, reasonable comments about specific events.She might make trouble for Dems if she runs as an independent. Conservatives will run when her policies are known
(DIR) Post #ADoaghyB256Tv6SxYu by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-27T04:26:44Z
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@Savannahga66 @REX Yes, she is everywhere. But the Dems loathe her. She is not one of them.Gabbard is not a conservative either, at all. Her domestic policies are bad. Her foreign policies are far worse.But I don't think most voters know that. She is pretty, charming, straightforward - unheard of among Democrats, and makes sensible, reasonable comments about specific events.She might make trouble for Dems if she runs as an independent. Conservatives will run when her policies are known
(DIR) Post #ADpMUbH2teldTjaGtU by Savannahga66@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-27T13:22:23Z
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@timr @REX I agree. My thought was she might appeal to democrats who are moderate and scared of what the far left represents. I know conservatives who like her because she's not crazy. Imagine that being the standard now? Sure, I don't agree with her policies, but she's not crazy. We are in a strange place, right now.
(DIR) Post #ADudWQWCNtKMJvVZqa by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-30T02:26:45Z
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This is the week when the Democrats are supposed to be voting on the BBB Bill - also called Build Back Better and the Reconciliation Bill. I refer to it as Bill #2.There has been no progress at all. No vote scheduled for this week. Or next week.Here is the latest quote from Joe Manchin to CNN's leftist Congress reporter:7/8
(DIR) Post #ADudbyMVytyojVchVo by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-30T02:27:45Z
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"Just spoke with Sen. Manchin, whose vote remains crucial to passing Biden’s Build Back Better bill. He wouldn’t commit to Schumer’s Christmas timeframe. And wouldn’t commit to voting to proceed to the bill. “We will wait to see what we have,” he told a group of us"https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/14654389076932116558/9
(DIR) Post #ADudnJbjKcrRoH9HKS by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-30T02:29:48Z
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More from Manchin today, as he continues to crush leftist hopes and dreams:"Manchin again says he opposes paid leave in the reconciliation bill. Wants to do it separately"This is major part of the Bill. Losing this will be a real blow for the DemsAnd those are just a few of the many moving parts of the incredible shrinking Democrat Billhttps://twitter.com/burgessev/status/14654370612347944969/9
(DIR) Post #ADuf32Fhj3bkZSuEXg by SQ@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-30T02:43:51Z
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@timr Knocking out of the park, again!I believe our vote in 2022 will turn the House, but I’m thinking the Democrats will be taking us across the line. Democrats in the House are bailing on Pelosi. Is Pelosi going to retire?
(DIR) Post #ADui1gIi9gDM3wMHbs by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-30T03:17:13Z
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@timr Also, Chad Pergram reported: Manchin says he wants pgms to run "for a ten year period" and not score them like they will only run for "three years or four years or whatever." He says that's "disingenuous."Also, Manchin floats Democrats unilaterally hiking debt-ceiling with expedited support from GOPhttps://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/nov/29/manchin-floats-democrats-unilaterally-hiking-debt-/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork
(DIR) Post #ADvI90c6gnTPrnQtFY by Dawnz@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-30T10:01:55Z
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@timr Thanks Tim,I really appreciate your analysis of whats going on and how you break it all down.It really helps me to understand it all better☺️
(DIR) Post #ADvYnwdVypEefedIhc by karnage@social.quodverum.com
2021-11-30T13:08:35Z
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@timr I still expect Manchin to fold. I am Pavlovian that way.