Post AD6u9cnuYVecQ7HRA0 by butterfly_kisses@nnia.space
(DIR) More posts by butterfly_kisses@nnia.space
(DIR) Post #AD6qWG4QqRMCl0XpTM by support_ex_offenders@nnia.space
2021-11-06T01:49:15Z
0 likes, 1 repeats
Are ex offenders oppressed for being ex offenders? I'm curious what you guys think.
(DIR) Post #AD6qYtjsKUMMMkBjCS by butterfly_kisses@nnia.space
2021-11-06T01:56:40Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@support_ex_offenders I wouldn't say so, I believe they are treated unjustly however, in the end of the day, ex-offenders choose to offend and oppression is over uncontrollable characteristics.
(DIR) Post #AD6qYuF4SVJTvUmdpA by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
2021-11-06T01:57:16Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@butterfly_kisses @support_ex_offenders oppression can be over chosen things too. Like religion.
(DIR) Post #AD6qxrWxg1pAky3GzI by butterfly_kisses@nnia.space
2021-11-06T02:01:43Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@comrade_lecter @support_ex_offenders I wouldn't necessarily define religion as chosen. I'm atheist, and I have, in the past, actively attempted to change that. It failed, I could not make myself believe something I knew to be false. It is only controllable in a small portion of the population. I know people who went from religious to atheist, however that is not something they voluntarily chose, at least in the case of those I've met (including my mother). It was more being re-educated and realizing they were incorrect.
(DIR) Post #AD6rwf00snXLYVdC2S by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
2021-11-06T02:12:45Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@butterfly_kisses @support_ex_offenders I was a Schismatic Orthodox Christian in my early years, atheist as a teen and a young adult, and now religious again (not naming the exact kind for privacy). For some of us religion is transitional.For some it might not be, but neither might be sexual offending. One of the offenders I knew was forced to commit the offense by his family as a young teen and gained a CSAM addiction from it. He was still an offender, but it's not really something he wanted to be.
(DIR) Post #AD6sgpGd2TNUipPsHY by butterfly_kisses@nnia.space
2021-11-06T02:21:08Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@comrade_lecter @support_ex_offenders If someone was forced to offend, I wouldn't consider them an ex-offender, personally. I would consider that person personally oppressed by the law in general, however the post said "ex-offenders," not specific ex-offenders.And did you actively decide "I am going to be x religion," or did it just happen? /Gen
(DIR) Post #AD6tdeBPtPBzQm1hzM by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
2021-11-06T02:31:25Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@butterfly_kisses @support_ex_offenders what would you define as an offense, then?I think, both times I changed, I was consciously searching for something to change for a while prior. I didn't know where I'd end up, because both times I needed to envision a new idea whole in order to understand that I feel more comfortable with that. Schismatics are better to deal with than "standard" Russian Orthodoxes, but still, it was horrible for my OCD, and I didn't really like the worldview. Atheism helped me to gain control of my life and understand that there is no almighty and uncriticizable being above me, and also that the concepts of "sin" and "blasphemy" are bullshit, but it didn't really offer anything to my need to envision my future, including my future past this body.
(DIR) Post #AD6u9cnuYVecQ7HRA0 by butterfly_kisses@nnia.space
2021-11-06T02:37:32Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@comrade_lecter @support_ex_offenders I define offender not just as someone who has committed an offense (outside out of legal terms), but as someone who chose to do something sexually harmful to a child/children. And even if you were consciously searching for something other than atheism, doing research and finding which religion was most sensible to you isn't exactly a choice.
(DIR) Post #AD6ucarCsBRSmQdQe0 by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
2021-11-06T02:42:46Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@butterfly_kisses @support_ex_offenders what if they didn't know that what they were doing is harmful?I think, deciding to go further in your quest is a choice. Because there always remains an option to shut off the new path because it's unusual and uncomfortable.
(DIR) Post #AD6ukLZ5c3kffWrFgW by butterfly_kisses@nnia.space
2021-11-06T02:44:11Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@comrade_lecter @support_ex_offenders They may not have chosen specifically to *harm* a child, however they still chose to do harmful things, if that makes sense.
(DIR) Post #AD6v5gZWhjCku0EmXo by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
2021-11-06T02:48:01Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@butterfly_kisses @support_ex_offenders if we're judging by the presence of harm, it doesn't matter if the perpetrator was coerced or willing. If we're judging by the ethics of the decision, only a conscious decision to bring harm should count. I lean closer to the first model, that's why I consider that person to be both a perpetrator and a victim.
(DIR) Post #AD6vGG7tMwsq4GLyXw by butterfly_kisses@nnia.space
2021-11-06T02:49:57Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@comrade_lecter @support_ex_offenders I still think it is an immoral act, however the blame should not be placed on whoever was coerced and rather on the person who did the coercing. If anything, I'd consider the person who was coerced a second victim. Being forced to do sexual acts is (generally) traumatizing, whether the other party was consenting or not.
(DIR) Post #AD6vMGzH54cWTYBrOq by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
2021-11-06T02:51:01Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@butterfly_kisses @support_ex_offenders you can be both a victim and a perpetrator in the same act.
(DIR) Post #AD6vfIRNtweAU9PSOu by butterfly_kisses@nnia.space
2021-11-06T02:54:29Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@comrade_lecter @support_ex_offenders Possibly, however this is not one of those cases. Would you consider someone a rapist if, while unconscious, they were physically moved and forced to do sexual acts?In neither severe manipulation nor physical force are they the one in control.
(DIR) Post #AD6wSqAbHkY9HhBQjw by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
2021-11-06T03:03:24Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@butterfly_kisses @support_ex_offenders these things exist on a spectrum, imo.
(DIR) Post #AD6xF224U591yWAoHg by butterfly_kisses@nnia.space
2021-11-06T03:12:08Z
0 likes, 0 repeats
@comrade_lecter @support_ex_offenders Well, we seem to disagree on where the line should be drawn.