Post AD63qT3lMiUf52ErWS by TiredCarrot@childpawn.shop
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(DIR) Post #AD5o6hR25UFp1zqCZ6 by TiredCarrot@childpawn.shop
2021-11-05T13:44:43.245487Z
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The vast majority of young people under the age of 13 do not have the mental capacity or understanding to consent to sexual activity.Change my mind.
(DIR) Post #AD5pfDaV9PPsYEIG6y by TiredCarrot@childpawn.shop
2021-11-05T14:04:10.628190Z
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@cummies The majority do not crave or lust for that until puberty. Anything before then is just taking advantage.
(DIR) Post #AD5pyG7bxB2JucrMXo by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
2021-11-05T14:15:57Z
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@TiredCarrot I may be the last person you expect on this post, but why 13? What do you think happens in people's development around that age in particular?
(DIR) Post #AD5rB3JIzscBtgzg36 by TiredCarrot@childpawn.shop
2021-11-05T14:18:23.822934Z
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@comrade_lecter In my personal experience, that tends to be the age that most young people can have a rough understanding of sexual activity and likely, actively crave it. It's an important step in their development, rather than a 9-year-old who does not actively crave it and has no desire to have sexual relations unless influenced by an outside source.
(DIR) Post #AD5rB3uAmo6bk2F7Vw by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
2021-11-05T14:29:25Z
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@TiredCarrot could it be so that this is when they're ALLOWED to want it? As in, when they start being perceived as "teenagers" in an English speaking culture, with all tropes of "horny teens" attached, and their parents start instructing them not to get into anything. Because 13 isn't when puberty begins on average, it starts earlier, around 10-11 (that's why I don't consider 11+ people "children"). But also, craving sex has little to do with knowing what sex is, I didn't know how sex actually worked till I was around 15-16, and I've had fantasies about adults and children and I did solo sexual experimenting since around the age of 4. I do not believe either physical desire or knowledge equal an ability to have a non hurtful relationship. Otherwise you'd have to say I was ready for a relationship at 4 (I wasn't), or that people who received zero sex ed can not have a sexual experience without trauma.
(DIR) Post #AD60J1M538hNjmAN5U by chronically@pawoo.net
2021-11-05T16:11:43Z
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@comrade_lecter @TiredCarrot probably an American
(DIR) Post #AD63RcaQo7zRO6fgzw by Mirai@youjo.love
2021-11-05T15:38:30.039375Z
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@TiredCarrot @comrade_lecter That may be your personal experience, I can say that by age 9 I already experienced sexual attraction and a desire for sex and for talking with others I know this isn't such a rare experience as society would like to make us believe, there also exist asexual adults that have never experienced sexual desire and it would be ridiculous to say they can't consent to sexual activities if they choose to for any reason.
(DIR) Post #AD63Rd3V43F4qGGuJ6 by TiredCarrot@childpawn.shop
2021-11-05T16:29:16.919339Z
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@Mirai @comrade_lecter I don't deny that they can have sexual feelings, I am just incredibly wary about adult-child sexual relationships and the effects it can have on the child's future perception of relationships in general. A romantic relationship can be beneficial to both parties, but a purely sexual relationship can be very harmful and puts the child at risk of exploitation.
(DIR) Post #AD63Rde0sIRufVM4Dg by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
2021-11-05T16:46:49Z
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@TiredCarrot @Mirai I don't think romance is anywhere safer or better than sex.
(DIR) Post #AD63qT3lMiUf52ErWS by TiredCarrot@childpawn.shop
2021-11-05T16:50:16.907578Z
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@elea396 @cummies I never denied that children have sexual desires, my problem is their long term mental health and the unconscious and conscious effects that mostly sexual adult-child relationships can have.
(DIR) Post #AD64FCglMxZVXvH9e4 by TiredCarrot@childpawn.shop
2021-11-05T16:46:54.927063Z
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@Lily @comrade_lecter @Mirai The vast majority of people are not aromantic and we shouldn't be indoctrinating children to believe that purely sexual relationships are the mainstream. Children are very impressionable and by having a sexual relationship with them, you are teaching them that sex is what makes them feel good and what relationships revolve around.
(DIR) Post #AD64FDCJTeoD7m2Lp2 by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
2021-11-05T16:55:51Z
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@TiredCarrot @Mirai @Lily I do not defend or support sexual AND romantic relationships between adults and children, but I do support teaching children that sex is okay, and people can have sex without any other attachments and be alright. Sex can make a person feel good, and it's not an immoral deed to have sex without any intention to take it further.
(DIR) Post #AD64IGnOYXlt9Vq8MS by TiredCarrot@childpawn.shop
2021-11-05T16:53:04.174504Z
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@elea396 @cummies The majority do not. Although a large amount do have sexual feelings, most do not actively have lust for specific people until Tanner stage 2.
(DIR) Post #AD64IHM8TNYotG5sVk by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
2021-11-05T16:56:25Z
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@TiredCarrot @cummies @elea396 what's your statistic source for the majority?
(DIR) Post #AD64ILzHFnFNFoRC4m by TiredCarrot@childpawn.shop
2021-11-05T16:54:27.099123Z
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@cummies @elea396 I am not familiar with that term, but I understand the concept. Why?
(DIR) Post #AD64nGNIAguUp8PQW0 by TiredCarrot@childpawn.shop
2021-11-05T17:00:02.923275Z
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@comrade_lecter @Mirai @Lily I'm inclined to agree with that, except possibly the romantic aspect due to my belief that a genuine adult-child relationship can be beneficial to both parties.
(DIR) Post #AD64nGtuDQzwSHfTLk by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
2021-11-05T17:01:58Z
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@TiredCarrot @Mirai @Lily if you believe romance could be beneficial, why can't sex? What's so special in sex that separates it from other human activities?
(DIR) Post #AD65G2obfEmTASuQls by TiredCarrot@childpawn.shop
2021-11-05T16:58:45.651571Z
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@elea396 @cummies Maybe so, but if you were to have sex, you would've been significantly more likely to suffer a hindrance in your relationship development skills and you also may have a higher chance of suffering from trauma and depression.
(DIR) Post #AD65G41l9otcvY4Rua by TiredCarrot@childpawn.shop
2021-11-05T17:05:26.616263Z
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@elea396 @cummies I relate to that on a personal level, but I also acknowledge that unless society were to drastically change their opinions and actions regarding child sexual activity, it would be highly likely that an adult would take advantage of the child.
(DIR) Post #AD65IDkLzaareMxRNw by TiredCarrot@childpawn.shop
2021-11-05T17:03:48.846326Z
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@comrade_lecter @cummies @elea396 Wurtele, S.K. and Miller-Perrin, C.L. Preventing Sexual Abuse. University of Nebraska Press. Lincoln, NE. 1992Unfortunately, there are not enough credible studies to source for either side of the argument, but the small collection of studies presented by many mental health professionals working with children, seem to indicate that sexual feelings towards specific people is abnormal below the ages of 8 and relatively uncommon under 11
(DIR) Post #AD65IEFu6HpZEDidYu by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
2021-11-05T17:07:38Z
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@TiredCarrot @cummies @elea396 I can't seem to be able to find it online on the go, do you have a link?
(DIR) Post #AD65QejNY7ZTenWXya by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
2021-11-05T17:09:08Z
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@mushroomfemboy @TiredCarrot @elea396 @cummies oi. I'm a teacher.
(DIR) Post #AD661zzjSDBWJtynMu by TiredCarrot@childpawn.shop
2021-11-05T17:06:45.817833Z
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@comrade_lecter @Mirai @Lily Sex can be beneficial, but only if the child genuinely wants it without outside influence and if the adult is not pressuring them nor indoctrinating them to engage in sexual relations.
(DIR) Post #AD6621A37L21wBoY5Y by TiredCarrot@childpawn.shop
2021-11-05T17:13:54.890032Z
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@Lily @comrade_lecter @Mirai I completely agree, but children tend to be more impressionable and they look up to people older than them, making them more likely to be at risk of sexual abuse.
(DIR) Post #AD66u5EuAccEDvrl20 by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
2021-11-05T17:25:39Z
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@Dean @TiredCarrot @cummies @elea396 I'll need to read that. Somehow.
(DIR) Post #AD6AXFmxBMdg67A4Ei by TiredCarrot@childpawn.shop
2021-11-05T14:02:57.712598Z
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@Spaghettimon When I say mental capacity, I'm referring to their ability to be able to understand sexual relationships. The majority of young people do not actively lust for such an experience until they hit puberty. Unless they seek it out themselves, they are being taken advantage of, in my view.
(DIR) Post #AD6AXGParhY01xEvSq by TiredCarrot@childpawn.shop
2021-11-05T14:15:17.756507Z
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@Spaghettimon That's their own personal exploration. For a grown adult to take advantage of that, is completely immoral and is likely to cause the young person harm. I do not deny that some young people have the understanding and ability to consent, but to say the majority do is completely dishonest and puts vulnerable young people at risk.