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(DIR) Post #ACQZEjwbKqErcihbZA by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T16:25:18Z
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The Democrat civil war goes on, as Bernie Sanders runs an obnoxious op-ed in the West Virginia media. Time is running out and Bill #2 is shrinking by the day, with no progress made. Sanders denounces Manchin by name and attacks him in his own state, because Manchin refuses to vote for the Democrats' 3.5 trillion dollar Bill. Incredibly stupid and destructive for the Dems.1/2
(DIR) Post #ACQZRugugo8Yiee72e by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T16:27:40Z
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Manchin responds immediately by denouncing Sanders as a 'socialist' and tells him to stay out of West Virginia.All is not well in Democrat land 😎 2/3
(DIR) Post #ACQZlGV1pZeJrIJZ7Q by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T16:31:10Z
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Interesting - Manchin aligns himself with Sinema and the 50 Republicans who oppose the Reconciliation Bill as it now stands.The left are beside themselves with rage and helpless frustration - and this is just one day after the 'commission' to 'study' court packing told the left to forget it.So many leftist dreams deferred,So many fascist hopes dashed.3/4So very sad 😎
(DIR) Post #ACQZvGozUM0hkkQGJM by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T16:32:59Z
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Interesting - Manchin openly and explicitly aligns himself with Sinema and the 50 Republicans who oppose the Reconciliation Bill as it now stands. Open opposition to his own party in the statementThe left are beside themselves with rage, bitterness and helpless frustration - and this is just one day after the 'commission' to 'study' court packing told the left to forget it.So many leftist dreams deferred.So many fascist hopes dashed.3/4So very sad 😎
(DIR) Post #ACQa8TGEYBqM67SZLE by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T16:35:22Z
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At the same time, Manchin said No to the major 'climate change' program in the Bill. This is devastating for the Dems - this is Climate hoax centerpiece - Biden's boasting point at the upcoming Glasgow climate lunatic convention.Now it is almost certainly deadFrom The Hill: "The program in question is called the Clean Electricity Payment Program, which would incentivize utilities to shift toward clean sources of energy using a mix of grants and fines."4/5
(DIR) Post #ACQaCZ7qgg3hRfUSXI by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T16:36:07Z
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At the same time, Manchin said No to the major 'climate change' program in the Bill. This is devastating for the Dems - this is the Climate hoax centerpiece of Bill #2 - Biden's boasting point at the upcoming Glasgow climate lunatic convention.Now it is almost certainly deadFrom The Hill: "The program in question is called the Clean Electricity Payment Program, which would incentivize utilities to shift toward clean sources of energy using a mix of grants and fines."4/5
(DIR) Post #ACQaNBu9MXfQc19KAy by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T16:38:01Z
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More on the massive climate program which will be removed from the Reconciliation Bill because of Manchin's opposition. No mention of the other Democrats who are likely to oppose it. Manchin takes the hits, along with Sinema:"A major program in the Democrats' push to fight climate change is likely to be removed from their spending plan amid opposition from Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), according to multiple reports."5/6
(DIR) Post #ACQagWzxA3jZXE5OBU by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T16:41:32Z
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@Sir_Muddy The Dems have until the December break. Two months. That's itI do not count chickens before they hatch. Quite the opposite.I am addressing the news as it developsThey certainly can pass a Reconciliation Bill boondoggle in some form before then. But the likelihood is growing less every day.
(DIR) Post #ACQb4pOqOeU1YXJX4C by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T16:45:55Z
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"The proposed measure aimed to cut emissions from U.S. electricity production by 80 percent before the end of the decade. It is considered one of the package's most important provisions in the effort to mitigate climate change."Radicals are furious. They have said numerous times: No climate policy, No BillClimate change policy and spending are non-negotiables for numerous Democrats in both the House and the Senate.Another impasse6/7
(DIR) Post #ACQbjcJzvSIIrrUs7s by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T16:53:17Z
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@Sir_Muddy No comparison with 2009-2010.The Democrats had a mandate - overwhelming majority in both Houses. Popular new President. Pelosi still shrewd and able to twist armsFilibuster proof majority in the Senate for the first part. Then reconciliation for the second part when the Dems went to 59 after Brown won in MA.Massive majority in the HouseObama as negotiator.Now if the Dems lose 4 in the House the Bill is dead. Needs all 50 in the SenateCompletely different
(DIR) Post #ACQc1R3CZMQl7l8YrI by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T16:56:31Z
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@Sir_Muddy I avoid those phrases - another way of expressing despair.I try to focus on facts
(DIR) Post #ACQcUQLmFi2FLkeGnY by Donjanusgjrdrm@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T17:01:45Z
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@timr And now it looks like there is a change of heart in the white house about frackinghttps://social.quodverum.com/web/statuses/107112271492754098
(DIR) Post #ACQcYIN9r5k9lX8lGq by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T17:02:26Z
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Meanwhile, Bill #1 is still not passed and the arbitrary October 30th deadline is looming.An impasse there as well. The radicals will not allow Bill #1, infrastructure, to be voted on unless Bill #2 is voted on at the same time. The 'moderates' say No to that. So no vote scheduled yet - Thanks to a weak and declining Pelosi who tried to please everyone and obey her radical overlords.Perhaps that logjam will move. Pressure is intense for the Dems to pass something.No progress yet7/8
(DIR) Post #ACQdCEwu0FX0jOuGjw by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T17:09:40Z
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The Infrastructure Bill is also the main focus for Sinema, who is furious that Pelosi promised a vote on both Bills - something that only came up after the Senate voted.Now Sinema is saying No to most taxes for Bill #2 and No period to that Bill if Infrastructure is not passed first.It isn't clear yet what tax hikes Sinema does support - Bill #2 really is dead without record tax increases, because there is no way to pay for it and Reconciliation demands that every policy be paid for8/9
(DIR) Post #ACQdZOM1CXH2Yqh5cG by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T17:13:51Z
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The Dems have two Senators who oppose Bill #2 for reasons that sometimes differ.Sinema focuses on taxes. Manchin focus on spending. Plenty of overlap certainly, but it makes it very difficult to please both. So Bill #2 keeps shrinking.And the House 'moderates' have their own issues with the Bill, as they gaze into the midterm abyss9/10
(DIR) Post #ACQdowaCDpPH3yk1YG by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T17:16:39Z
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@Sir_Muddy No - Quite the opposite. The facts are 'happening' now. And there are more everyday
(DIR) Post #ACQeRLxwIU9Cn7A6cq by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T17:23:36Z
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All of this has to be addressed and worked out and supposedly voted on by Christmas break, the third week of December. No major legislation is passed in an election year as they prepare for midtermsAlso, last but by no means least - there is still the December deadline to lift the debt limitNo Republicans will help this time.The Dems will have to use Reconciliation to lift it - but many Senators are saying No to that.More hysteria and chaos to come.All for now.10/10Over and out
(DIR) Post #ACQegvuSwNLic4xyKG by Zentrification@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T17:26:24Z
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@timr Such a bummer man. I feel so, so very sorry for them.https://images.app.goo.gl/2fBzTFvD3fubMf5E7
(DIR) Post #ACQeuhvjiFnVJK82s4 by ken@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T17:28:55Z
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@timr Why did McConnell help the Dems with the debt limit? What did he get in return?
(DIR) Post #ACQfC4Q5LnPjz2bTYu by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T17:32:02Z
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@ken I address that in a thread last week in a response to a similar question from @truth_seeker Here is the link:https://social.quodverum.com/web/statuses/107062439424254758
(DIR) Post #ACQfgTyetO6Tw8HCee by Zentrification@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T17:37:32Z
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@timr @ken @truth_seeker It was him making the noose and the hanging platform.Dems are eagerly shoved their heads into it instead of working together.
(DIR) Post #ACQgwAcuhnt2Vc9M1o by Gmajv@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T17:51:35Z
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@timr love it Tim &I agree! They all sound like screaming shrews. Their anger, frustration & disappointment are hard to hide right now
(DIR) Post #ACQhnvGq0zdeWKSHr6 by karnage@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T18:01:16Z
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@timr Very much appreciate the detailed and thoughtful analysis. Thank you very much for that. Democrats typically fight like cats and dogs until they simply cannot fight any further and then they coalesce. We’ll see if that happens this time. I would imagine that there’s a tremendous amount of rage in Arizona and in West Virginia, as there is throughout most of normal America. The government actively works against the interest of the American people.
(DIR) Post #ACQipwLh4opiOkFhxY by SusanInVA@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T18:12:52Z
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@timr Thank you, sir for the detailed update!! The left's progressive, radical, cut throat threats & media are not working with Sinema & Manchin. Looking better as each day passes. 😎
(DIR) Post #ACQjNUCkDtZexK3vmq by Dawnz@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T18:18:56Z
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@Zentrification @timr @Zentrification 😂
(DIR) Post #ACQjYduwS2VYGV3U6y by DoucheOfClubs@noagendasocial.com
2021-10-16T18:20:57Z
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@timr great thread!! Maybe the country we love won’t go down the tubes (completely) after all . . . for now.
(DIR) Post #ACQkMTrw5M7xZzPiQS by Dawnz@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T18:29:57Z
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@timr Thanks Tim..I look forward to your posts,you have such a wonderful way of explaining this all in a way that makes it more understandable ☺️
(DIR) Post #ACQkvvrZzlr6XO9T1s by rarity@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T18:36:22Z
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@timr Bravo, Tim! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻And thank you.
(DIR) Post #ACQzopt7JMCxI6weYK by BadaBing753@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T21:23:09Z
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@timr skipped the best part...Jetsonswatching as a young lad...who knew it was the future...??
(DIR) Post #ACR7cl7i028afjWSG0 by Jaime@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T22:50:37Z
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@timr Thank you Tim!
(DIR) Post #ACR8xaCBvJqmoe72f2 by Phokencougie@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T23:05:35Z
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@timr I'll be excited when Bill #3 passes away.
(DIR) Post #ACRD6vNsuiNyxDIAUq by Linnie@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-16T23:52:05Z
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@timr Oh boy, thank you. How I love your educational threads. Warms my heart to know they are feuding. The skanks! They make me sick!
(DIR) Post #ACWzPSZs54OpBdDDQO by Linnie@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-19T18:35:55Z
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@timr Awesome to see, too! ❤️
(DIR) Post #ACWzRBYUL9s2yKO7cm by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-19T18:24:43Z
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@CClark You're welcome. Glad it was helpful
(DIR) Post #ACWzcU5flcLJdxIVX6 by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-19T18:23:53Z
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@Linnie Thanks - yes, the feud has been held off for decades and now it is taking over
(DIR) Post #ACWzjDuoIw1RVJQjdQ by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-19T18:27:18Z
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@Zentrification @ken @truth_seeker And at this point, the Dems cannot stop themselves.They don't have the willpower or the strength of character. All that hysteria and carrying-on and rage are not conducive to strategy or self-preservationTheir collapse has to play itself out.
(DIR) Post #ACX1QvEDFADiF7uGA4 by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-19T18:24:13Z
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@Jaime You're welcome
(DIR) Post #ACZBDAvfSWAik4EgDY by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-20T20:08:30Z
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@WTOS @Zentrification @ken @truth_seeker The left are in a time warp, back to 1979 and Carter's sanctimonious, contemptuous lecture about the 'malaise of the American people', while his Presidency collapsed.Lecturing us and blaming us. Just like Carter - in many ways.Although Biden and his thugs, simps, cowards and goons are infinitely worse
(DIR) Post #ACZBbEDcsbSltX6ZiC by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-20T20:12:50Z
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More on the Bills today:"Sinema’s opposition to any increases in the corporate, income, or cap gains rates is pushing Senate Dems to prepare to abandon those rate hikes. Sinema has signaled opposition for a while but settling in among Dems they may actually be out."https://twitter.com/aduehren/status/145090090831391130910/11
(DIR) Post #ACZBq3WWvTdd4I19Ga by lolajl@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-20T20:15:31Z
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@timr Music to my ears as I prepare to step into investing my inheritance ...
(DIR) Post #ACZBqWdcgBXjMgYiqe by BCPaladin@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-20T20:15:36Z
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@timr @WTOS @Zentrification @ken @truth_seeker The Dems never change. Project the feelings of the minority onto the majority then lie and promise to fix it. Obama? Then make it worse. The majority is filled with gullible people.
(DIR) Post #ACZBvpcxVNUvhtmKzQ by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-20T20:16:34Z
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So there will be no tax increases in the Reconciliation Bill. 🤔 The Parliamentarian has to approve the Bill, line by line.Everything has to be paid for, down to the exact amount, or it is thrown out.The rules on Reconciliation are strict and specificNo carbon tax and now almost all other taxes are apparently being removed.Unclear as to how the Democrats plan to actually pay for anything in the Bill 11/12
(DIR) Post #ACZC3bDmwxlBLPi2fw by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-20T20:17:58Z
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@lolajl Yes, another major decision as the Bill just keeps shrinking, smaller and smaller
(DIR) Post #ACZCMM2JdEcJkcHnl2 by lolajl@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-20T20:21:21Z
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@timr Their eyes were bigger than the plates.
(DIR) Post #ACZCSOQhe8LguYZYh6 by Zentrification@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-20T20:22:27Z
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@timr @lolajl Even if they finally get something passed, it's still going to be a major L for them going into midterms. They won't even get half of what they're aiming for.
(DIR) Post #ACZCT3gkFOXgsBORtI by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-20T20:22:34Z
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And more news on the Incredible Shrinking Reconciliation Dirigible:"...tuition-free community college and a clean electricity payment program would not likely be part of final reconciliation bill.."🤔 https://twitter.com/aduehren/status/1450581594050383876
(DIR) Post #ACZCjTd3ZKTBxXUsTY by lolajl@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-20T20:25:32Z
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@timr No fwee college? Haz sadz ..
(DIR) Post #ACZDB8gZ1tIZ73KOXo by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-20T20:30:32Z
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So the following are no longer in the Reconciliation Bill:1) Amnesty - the entire Democrat immigration policy2) Free Community College - the majority of their education program3) Clean electricity payment program - the supposed crown jewel, the entire Green Climate hoax policy. Now toast.All gone. 🤔 And no tax increases to pay for anything.Shrinking, smaller and smaller....12/13
(DIR) Post #ACZEPuGx017Qi1x9TU by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-20T20:44:25Z
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@Zentrification @lolajl Much less. Started at 6 trillion. Then 3.5 trillion. Then 2 trillion. Now 1.5 trillion. And still fallingAll of this is just a framework and then there is still the Senate to deal with.There are Senators who are absolutely opposed to any Bill that does not include the Green Climate rubbish.Sanders and Smith, MN, have said 'No climate, no Bill.'And that is just one issue
(DIR) Post #ACZF8QKFBhhGrUiknA by lolajl@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-20T20:52:27Z
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@timr @Zentrification Irreconciliable Differences. Gotta love it! 😂😂😂
(DIR) Post #ACZFD3e0wX2dxvB5xA by Gmajv@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-20T20:53:18Z
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@timr kinda like watching the wicked witch of the west melt. Very enjoyable!
(DIR) Post #ACZMMKzCXGuI2FSa4e by LiveFree@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-20T22:13:24Z
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@timr And Mitch pushed off the debt ceiling for a few weeks until December. This removed the manufactured distraction of the debt ceiling to keep the Democrats at each other’s throats over these bills. Soon the debt ceiling issue will be in the news, pouring gas on a small fire. We must have VA give us the Younkin victory to really push the Democrat civil war.
(DIR) Post #ACZMTOuOLnJOEAZvO4 by Jaime@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-20T22:14:41Z
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@timr Thank you for always updating. Much appreciated.💜
(DIR) Post #ACZoUCivw6uFRXOGXI by BennettVarsho@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-21T03:28:34Z
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@timr No tax increases. Right. And I'm Pope Clement.
(DIR) Post #ACZp6CKxp1cvFSIOGm by BennettVarsho@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-21T03:35:26Z
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@timr @Zentrification @lolajl I think this is all theater.
(DIR) Post #ACZpHGwb29L2ipB8AS by BennettVarsho@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-21T03:37:26Z
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@timr @Zentrification @lolajl Doc: I have bad news. You have cancer, AIDS, and Ebola.Me: Oh no!Doc: I have good news. I was just kidding. You only have cancer.
(DIR) Post #ACZsQaUe1GWtozEntA by Movietime_Blues@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-21T04:12:44Z
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@timr So it's safe to say that the Sinema/Manchin bloc is winning?
(DIR) Post #ACZsuPjSaq1Z8NOFBg by Linnie@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-21T04:18:08Z
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@timr Always grateful for your updates on this bill.
(DIR) Post #ACg46VRw6pef5Jz3Gi by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-24T03:51:50Z
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@Movietime_Blues Yes
(DIR) Post #ACjpupRHLFiusc3N4a by Kimm@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-25T23:31:42Z
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@Linnie do you have anymore updates? @timr it is stating to look scary
(DIR) Post #ACjrvmATBmPSvslpvU by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-25T23:54:17Z
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@Kimm @Linnie Not much that is new.The Dems have a 'framework' for an 'agreement' for a Reconciliation Bill that is already one quarter of its original size and is still losing altitude.As close to an empty statement as it is possible to beNo agreement, let alone a Bill. And that is only the House. Then comes the Senate sometime, supposedly, in the next seven weeks.Everything removed is still gone. Nothing put back1/2
(DIR) Post #ACjrzgbRoxmWpdFnZg by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-25T23:54:59Z
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@Kimm @Linnie This 'framework' for Bill #2 is being thrown together to appease the radicals so the Dems can pass the Infrastructure Bill - Bill #1.Pelosi promised that both Bills would be voted on at the same time. That cannot possibly happen because that Bill #2 is not even written yet and there is no agreement. But there is a lot of fighting2/3
(DIR) Post #ACjs6FkO4JlTZDZBVw by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-25T23:56:11Z
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@Kimm @Linnie So a 'framework' is being used instead to cover for Pelosi's arrogance and stupidity. A framework that is a series of talking points for the media so the Phantasm can claim 'victory', however ridiculous.If Bill #1 is passed, then the fighting will commence again as more pieces of Bill #2 are fought over. An ever shrinking pie.3/4
(DIR) Post #ACjsFmqsM77IqU9DBA by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-25T23:57:54Z
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@Kimm @Linnie Then there is the VA Governor's Race. If McAuliffe wins by less than five, the Dems will panic and it will be much harder to push Bill #2. Any boasting of victory will be hollow and false. McAuliffe should be walking away with this with a double digit win. Not likely nowIf Youngkin actually wins, then it is the leftist Basnhees and wailing in the desert for the Dems. Passing a Bill won't be their chief priority. Every leftist for him or her or itself4/4
(DIR) Post #ACjsJDPG5CaQ4VrfCi by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-25T23:58:30Z
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@Kimm @Linnie Then there is the VA Governor's Race. If McAuliffe wins by less than five, the Dems will panic and it will be much harder to push Bill #2. Any boasting of victory will be hollow and false. McAuliffe should be walking away with this with a double digit win. Not likely nowIf Youngkin actually wins, then it is the leftist screaming Banshees, and wailing in the desert for the Dems. Passing a Bill won't be their chief priority. Every leftist for him or her or itself4/4
(DIR) Post #ACk22sHXr1svSp6Tqq by Kimm@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-26T01:47:37Z
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@timr @Linnie now I really hope Youngkin can win for all of us. It is frightening to thing any of the dems crazy ideas might pass. Thank you so much for your insight
(DIR) Post #ACk7vcExhKf5PRojR2 by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-26T02:53:32Z
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@Kimm @Linnie And here is the current state of the 'framework' - these are among the items that are supposedly still in the Bill. "The outstanding issues have become clear:4 weeks paid leave (Manchin opposes)Medicare vouchers for dental (Manchin opposes)Medicaid expansion (Manchin opposes) Rx drug pricing (Sinema opposes)And how to pay for it"And that does not include all of the details about taxes and all the opposition in House and Senatehttps://twitter.com/LACaldwellDC/status/1452805232640020489
(DIR) Post #ACk7z57GnJG3pqs7nM by timr@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-26T02:54:10Z
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@Kimm @Linnie And here is the current state of the 'framework' - these are among the items that are supposedly still in the Bill. "The outstanding issues have become clear:4 weeks paid leave (Manchin opposes)Medicare vouchers for dental (Manchin opposes)Medicaid expansion (Manchin opposes) Rx drug pricing (Sinema opposes)And how to pay for it"And that does not include all of the details about taxes and all the opposition in House and Senatehttps://twitter.com/LACaldwellDC/status/14528052326400204895/5
(DIR) Post #ACkeZ0lTeCrjIVr4wS by BlkLdyPatriot@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-26T08:59:10Z
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@timr —Some of the responses are laughable and pathetic. Check out this gem from “The rich pay no taxes”:‘There were a lot of rich people opposing things in France in 1789, too…’@Kimm @Linnie
(DIR) Post #AClARHBP06HYgGeoJU by Linnie@social.quodverum.com
2021-10-26T14:56:22Z
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@timr @Kimm Thank you, sir. I wait for your threads explaining how this works.