Post ACOSgfLIwuc1Sthqgi by lig@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #ACNlYpt1ZFCLowUxUW by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T07:59:04Z
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I'm in somewhat of a quandry at the moment. I'm thinking about migrating from #WordPress to #Hugo for my personal site.Couple of advantages to that - zero cost for hosting etc. and I won't have a web server to maintain. Also a much simpler and lighter sight (even though my site is already light).However, the writing/publishing experience on WordPress is excellent.Decisions decision. What would you do?
(DIR) Post #ACNmO7I6cLAQZJgNRQ by LuD_up@mastodon.social
2021-10-15T08:08:22Z
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@kev i'm using Hugo with Forestry as publishing interface and it's amazing 👌Tell me if you have any questions !
(DIR) Post #ACNmhq9u1aI5E2Fawy by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:11:54Z
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@LuD_up I tried Forestry while I was running a Jekyll site for a while. I really didn't like it.
(DIR) Post #ACNmlauMfTJ35Jlya0 by jinxd@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:12:37Z
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@kev I'v never used WP, but just recently setup Hugo. Seems pretty ok so far.
(DIR) Post #ACNmtpAHXt4VcN8tCC by lig@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:14:05Z
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@kev Whenever one can throw out a piece written in PHP they should do it right away without any hesitation.I've banned PHP on my server a long time ago.
(DIR) Post #ACNmwFApoedorWYRsm by jinxd@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:14:19Z
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@kev I'v never used WP, but just recently setup Hugo. Seems pretty ok so far. I just edit files directly..keep it simple.
(DIR) Post #ACNmxAkFldqDPsZ2VE by lig@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:14:27Z
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@kev Whenever one can throw out a piece written in PHP they should do it right away without any hesitation.I've banned PHP on my servers a long time ago.
(DIR) Post #ACNnEQGTJpnITMrMdU by LuD_up@mastodon.social
2021-10-15T08:17:51Z
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@kev any reasons? I find it very accessible for beginners
(DIR) Post #ACNnLCPBFMJhW0AFWK by mjjzf@mstdn.io
2021-10-15T08:19:04Z
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@kev I have to spend a lot of time on shared machines. That makes my own WordPress install good for me, because it is accessible from anything, including my phone. But I do like the static site idea.
(DIR) Post #ACNo8WUvKbvA1MN11s by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:27:58Z
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@LuD_up I just didn't like the UX. It's a personal thing, I think. Nothing inherently wrong with it as such.I'm liking the look of Netlify CMS though.
(DIR) Post #ACNoF8ytAFVN71Xjeq by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:29:08Z
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@mjjzf yeah, I get that - I don't really have that problem. I work pretty much exclusively from my Macbook and sometimes my iPad, but I have a markdown editor and a Git app on my iPad, so I should be able to write from any of my devices (although I pretty much always do it from my laptop).
(DIR) Post #ACNoImYSUEeGiUuoq0 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:29:47Z
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@lig why? Simply because of the complexity and potential vulnerbilities it introduces?
(DIR) Post #ACNoofFLC73TJiAy12 by lig@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:35:34Z
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@kev PHP is a rotten language in so many ways that having something running on PHP brings more burden that it brings profit. There are alternatives written in a good language for anything written in PHP.Erasing PHP from my life completely just made it easier and much more satisfying.
(DIR) Post #ACNpFV6h06rBgkvYYa by lig@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:39:05Z
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@kev To give you a perspective, I can code in 20+ languages and now I have just 4 favorites now and only one completely banned. I tend to avoid Ruby and Java as well but it's not to the same extreme as it is with PHP.
(DIR) Post #ACNpFVXdNwPL2JX4YC by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:40:23Z
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@lig 20+ languages?! That's ridiculous (in a good way).
(DIR) Post #ACNpL6YhBSRDI5hJse by lig@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:41:26Z
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@kev Well, I've been doing this for too long... I've started 30 years ago;)
(DIR) Post #ACNpT6j8RRVG86Of0y by trhr@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:42:23Z
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@kev you know what you cant do with wordpress?cat a file into vim, edit it, and auto-post it when you save it.
(DIR) Post #ACNps6XMHj48mQo8qu by gidorah@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:47:03Z
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@kev Man, the amount you change your website is dizzying!Might be easier to maintain 4 or 5 different websites made with different methods. Presumably you could just copy and paste blog post content anyway.
(DIR) Post #ACNq5NXqMTSxIGMeMy by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:49:49Z
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@gidorah hahahaha I know! I'm a sucker for the new shiny I suppose?
(DIR) Post #ACNqAyZG8fmPZ8hBFg by huy_ngo@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:50:32Z
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@kev What was the problem you previously had with Jekyll?
(DIR) Post #ACNqFG8AmWALCA4Ixk by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:51:36Z
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@huy_ngo Couple of things. Firstly, I can't get Jekyll yo work stabally on my Macbook. I don't know why, but I just can't get it working properly.Second, it takes soooooo long to build the site. Hugo is ridiculously quick.
(DIR) Post #ACNqQ89CntTFcXje9A by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:53:18Z
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@huy_ngo Sorry, didn't read your question properly (obviously need more coffee).The main thing was the editing workflow. I like having a place where I can login, type my content and hit publish. I also really like the WP editor.However, my personal circumstances have changed and I now have very little free time. So I'm trying to work out what would take less time, a WP stack or an SSG.
(DIR) Post #ACNqT97ZdkHHVdPU48 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:53:47Z
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@huy_ngo I can get something close to the WP editing experience with Netlify CMS, I think.
(DIR) Post #ACNqYbdr1ovtPd72J6 by huy_ngo@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:55:02Z
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@kev Use Hugo then
(DIR) Post #ACNqeJ1p94qvQC2fB2 by LuD_up@mastodon.social
2021-10-15T08:56:08Z
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@kev As long as you find the one that fits you 🙂
(DIR) Post #ACNqrKmruwzOdnG82q by huy_ngo@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:58:28Z
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@kev I personally find writing an article with an SSG takes much less time and effort, unless you have a lot of non textual content. However, setting up the same tricks you have on your current site may take some time.
(DIR) Post #ACNqv8Spg1BnZzhSa0 by gidorah@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T08:59:10Z
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@kev I get it. I have two websites: one professional, one personal. Personal is pure html, the other is Pelican. I did try WP, but felt there was way too much infrastructure behind it.I then realised, messing about with the websites isn't of particular interest to me.
(DIR) Post #ACNr79Nc66gFtXzJNQ by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T09:01:21Z
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@huy_ngo I don't have a lot of tricks to be honest. Most of the "fancy" stuff in my posts are simple CSS classes, so can be easily ported over.
(DIR) Post #ACNrceUCUlO7LX5eHw by hund@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T09:06:53Z
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@kev I use Jekyll myself. I find my workflow with Jekyll a billion times better than with WordPress.I use WordPress for my company and I don't like it at all. It's awkward, slow and painful.What do you find better with WordPress than static site generators?
(DIR) Post #ACNs425QrCUuMQYqQK by huy_ngo@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T09:11:56Z
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@kev Just skimmed your website again. Yeah, it should be easily ported. The newsletter might be a problem, though.
(DIR) Post #ACNsDNBTmoMmOqqLjc by hund@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T09:13:37Z
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@kev @huy_ngo With Jekyll I just create an empty template with a shell script* or via Markour on Android. My drafts are then synchronized using Synching between devices. When I'm ready to publish, I just move the file to the posts folder, run one alias that builds the site and rsync it to the server. It can't be any easier than that.* Command: `mkpost en/sv "title"`. It then creates a template file with the correct filename and metadata.
(DIR) Post #ACNsHie9vm8u7hKYHg by hund@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T09:14:24Z
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@kev @huy_ngo It tales about 1-2 seconds for me. I know that Hugo is even faster, but who cares? It's not like 1-2 seconds is an eternity.
(DIR) Post #ACNsqQStWPoRrwbwUy by artfulsodger@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T09:20:36Z
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@kev I built a new static site using #Pelican in 2 days. https://fosstodon.org/@artfulsodger/107104796037671570
(DIR) Post #ACNt90vmgHQ6B8zHSy by arivigo@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T09:24:01Z
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@kev I ended jumping onto the Hugo wagon because I couldn't stand sysadmin'ing WP anymore... 😂
(DIR) Post #ACNtkHwOOy3veG2tlI by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T09:30:45Z
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@hund it's purely Gurenberg. I think it's a great application. I love the editor.And that's what has me second guessing - do I really want to maintain a LEMP stack, as well as pay a few hundred $/year for hosting and plugins, just so I can use a nice editor...
(DIR) Post #ACNtreIpeuxX1u3G2y by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T09:32:09Z
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@huy_ngo the newsletter is external to the site anyway, that's just a form. However, newsletters are generated from WP and sent to the newsletter provider automatically.To accomodate that, I was thinking of shifting over to Buttondown for the newsletter, which supports markdown, so I can just paste the raw post in and hit send.Not ideal, but hardly taxing either.
(DIR) Post #ACNu0aMXg56VPq32kC by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T09:33:29Z
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@hund @huy_ngo locally it doesn't take long, but when I publish to netlify, the build process was way slower with Jekyll. Sometimes it would take 5 mins to build (as it had to build the ruby stack on the fly). With hugo, it's pretty much the same as local - just a few seconds.
(DIR) Post #ACNu2aeZZFCmtfRC40 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T09:34:02Z
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@arivigo yeahhhh, that's kinda where I am.
(DIR) Post #ACNurhNoJ3lGXMy3P6 by hund@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T09:43:18Z
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@kev In what way is it better than using Markdown and some occasional HTML for some things?
(DIR) Post #ACNuy7vwVNY4cTzvrU by hund@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T09:44:22Z
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@kev @huy_ngo You don't build your website on the server, you build it locally and then upload the finished website.
(DIR) Post #ACNygA9Xukf26i3B7w by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T10:26:05Z
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@hund it's just a nicer experience. Familiarity comes into it too, I suppose?Having said that, I pretty much write in markdown within Gutenberg, so it won't be a huge difference.
(DIR) Post #ACNylQfjvK7GmxcUZE by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T10:27:02Z
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@hund not with Netlify (which is where I intend to host it). It plugs direct into the Github repo and a build is triggered when there is a new push.@huy_ngo
(DIR) Post #ACNzrxtpOl4DX5tEw4 by fedops@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T10:39:21Z
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@kev looking at Gutenberg, it seems to be a pretty spiffy WYSIWYG editor. You'll not get those layout features with pure Markdown.@hund
(DIR) Post #ACO15HUnwzso1q6CI4 by hund@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T10:52:57Z
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@kev What makes it a better experience? :)
(DIR) Post #ACO17MjTS5GaqgxEZ6 by hund@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T10:53:19Z
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@kev @huy_ngo Okay. :)
(DIR) Post #ACO3QhOr2EGyMGekka by Tcjc@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T11:19:08Z
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@kev the editing process can be pretty painless on Hugo/SSD.Build the site locally up to a publishable site.Make a repo on github.Connect Forestry to the repo, and do all your edits in Forestry which magically updates the repo.Make a Github workflow to push that to a static site (doesn't have to be gitub pages).All of the above is set up work. Once done, just edit on Forestry and the site is updated..You effectively get a back up as well, without needing to do backups.
(DIR) Post #ACO3vIdJARzyWR0a9I by liberation@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T11:24:25Z
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@kev Org Mode
(DIR) Post #ACO4E2S9Y3W1qKj55U by Tcjc@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T11:24:55Z
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@kev Forestry is only needing for a GUI interface. I guess you are just as comfortable editing the files in a text editor locally and using the git update process to handle publication.But I'm sure know this already. Sorry!
(DIR) Post #ACO4E2urpIU5HOA0qO by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T11:28:15Z
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@Tcjc I've tried Forrestry in the past with a Jekyll site, but I didn't really like it. I think if I do go with a CMS, it will likely be Netlify CMS.
(DIR) Post #ACO5sa1kEwChVbGldY by brunofontes@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T11:46:43Z
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@kev I have exactly the same idea. Moving from Octobercms to Hugo.
(DIR) Post #ACO8H7rEJKDJI3BPuq by joeligj12@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T12:13:33Z
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@hund @kev @huy_ngo can I check the script you used? I have one too xD
(DIR) Post #ACO8Kz9EdPcrR6Rff6 by joeligj12@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T12:14:16Z
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@kev I knew it wouldn't be too long before you came back to your senses.Now you will have to make a new tutorial I guess
(DIR) Post #ACOA9tHQJLS9xa73Gi by jameskupke@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T12:34:36Z
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@kev I use Hugo and Netlify, and enjoy the work flow. That being said, the time I had #NetlifyCMS running it was difficult to modify the template to accurately preview the posts. I eventually just abandoned NetlifyCMS and went straight to editing posts on the terminal and git.I am curious to see how your experience is with NetlifyCMS. If you value the ability to edit content on a web interface, my vote is still with WordPress.Good luck!
(DIR) Post #ACOAdXXbhUVRE1ovfk by ssweeny@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T12:39:48Z
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@kev every so often I find myself in the same position. So far I've stuck with WP for two reasons: editing/posting from mobile and easy fediverse integration. I can't seem to find a SSG which enables those with as little friction as WP.
(DIR) Post #ACOBfZJMBq0nFTgbdQ by joeligj12@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T12:51:48Z
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@lig @kev Anime pictures are weird, I tend to believe people who use them are 25 y.o. at best. And yet you have 30 years of experience learning programming languages. So I guess I should not judge based on Picture anymore.Or at least not on Mastodon :P
(DIR) Post #ACOBjehu4OyV8s7HWK by joeligj12@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T12:52:32Z
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@lig @kev Anime/drawing/cartoon pictures are weird, I tend to believe people who use them are 25 y.o. at best. And yet you have 30 years of experience learning programming languages. So I guess I should not judge based on picture anymore.Or at least not on Mastodon :P
(DIR) Post #ACOCHcnNgShl3isORc by hund@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T12:58:35Z
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@joeligj12 @kev @huy_ngo Ohh.. Preferable not. It's rather ugly.. It's organically written for 3 different websites over the years. :P
(DIR) Post #ACOLKfm1xzGMkglzCy by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T14:39:26Z
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@jameskupke thanks! I may not use NetlifyCMS yet - We will see. I don't even know if I'm going to migrate yet. :)
(DIR) Post #ACOQcvsRKhBxgAITlQ by ndanes@smallcamp.art
2021-10-15T15:37:51Z
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@kev my theory is that you’re bored and want something new to tinker with 😅 Sincerely,From a guy who gets bored and constantly wants to change things
(DIR) Post #ACORKqsbH4HMvCJYYq by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T15:47:09Z
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@ndanes mayyyybe…….
(DIR) Post #ACOSgfLIwuc1Sthqgi by lig@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T16:01:54Z
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@joeligj12 @kev Yes, and this avatar has a long history by itself.It's a street graffiti from a real artist dated to early 2000s and it was one of pre-installed pictures on Alcatel OT 535 back then.Also, my profile doesn't say I'm a teenager;) At least, I believe so.
(DIR) Post #ACOUmByzDndi3K1vNo by jamie@mstdn.helios.red
2021-10-15T16:25:28Z
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@kev I'm using Netlify. It's... OK.
(DIR) Post #ACOhLqIUWWpqfgv2mW by reykjalin@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T18:46:36Z
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@kev if you want to move to static site generators you could move to something like GatsbyJS or Frontity; write and post using a free site on WP.com and the static site is automatically updated 🤔
(DIR) Post #ACOko3vLkkFwuAF6iO by jle@fosstodon.org
2021-10-15T19:25:21Z
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@kev Seems like you can't stick with one for more than a year, right? 😂
(DIR) Post #ACPvP6wOgzdLfxztmS by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-16T08:58:49Z
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@jle i know, i know! 😂
(DIR) Post #ACPvSU0BPNqW4ENNCK by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-16T08:59:21Z
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@reykjalin that sounds very complicated.
(DIR) Post #ACPvaFQ1VpJl9fAIkq by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-16T09:00:50Z
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@jamie I’ve used it before and has no problems with it
(DIR) Post #ACQJOGJSlAUdLwukDY by roganjoshua@fosstodon.org
2021-10-16T13:27:00Z
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@kev take a look at asciidoctor and antora.
(DIR) Post #ACQJUaSukKyNamLpNA by jamie@mstdn.helios.red
2021-10-16T13:27:55Z
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@kev It does what I need it to, so no I’ve no complaints.
(DIR) Post #ACQlQTOJu3pfD71qNM by pimoore@writing.exchange
2021-10-16T18:41:40Z
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@kev This is why I’m extremely happy with Micro.blog. It has the benefits of clean and lightweight static sites — it runs Hugo on the backend — with dynamic IndieWeb technologies like webmentions built-in, no server to maintain, and easy frictionless publishing available through several different apps. Free hosting options like GitHub Pages and Netlify give me pause as I wonder how profitable their business model really is.Interested to read what you end up going with.
(DIR) Post #ACR0SpzwJzEpDRD7Uu by reykjalin@fosstodon.org
2021-10-16T21:30:12Z
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@kev I don’t really see how it’s any more complicated than a static site generator 🤔You can host a GatsbyJS site on Netlify just like a SSG, but instead of writing markdown and pushing to a git repo, you just publish a post on a WordPress site.Or maybe you’re more worried about creating the site itself, more so than the writing/hosting/publishing aspect? I guess that’s similar to creating a theme with Hugo, but maybe a bit more complex? 🤔
(DIR) Post #ACR1B0zcntS63d82m8 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-10-16T21:38:13Z
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@reykjalin yeah, it’s the setup I was referring to.
(DIR) Post #ACVNvJ2D24xOxQei7U by reykjalin@fosstodon.org
2021-10-19T00:11:57Z
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@kev yeah I could see that. I’m sure there are some pre-existing themes to work from though