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(DIR) Post #ACA1RrykH1QL3HMt3g by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T16:51:18.450275Z
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i took the average of the sunset time for the shortest and the longest day of the year in Oslo and it was 18:30.sound’s about right. at the equator, you’d typically see the sun rise and set at 6 o’clock. it makes sense for intuitive reasons but i don’t know why. it just sounds right.
(DIR) Post #ACA1ffWJOJIeSyeGa8 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T16:53:49.764375Z
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one of the weird things i experienced when i was in the Philippines for 6 months was the sun.first off, there was almost no dusk or dawn to speak of. you’d blink an eye and it would be day or night.secondly, when it was mid-day, the sun was directly above you and had zero tint to it. not a hint of yellow. it was just white, and it was hot. it was like an extremely bright floodlight that wanted to cook you. people wouldn’t welcome the sun as we do in the north. they’d protect themselves against it.
(DIR) Post #ACA1lMSHBgon4gTWng by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T16:54:51.562320Z
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one of the weird things i experienced when i was in the Philippines for 6 months was the sun.first off, there was almost no dusk or dawn to speak of. you’d blink an eye and it would be day or night.secondly, when it was mid-day, the sun was directly above you and had zero tint to it. not a hint of yellow. it was just white, and it was hot. it was like an extremely bright floodlight that wanted to cook you. people wouldn’t welcome the sun as we do in the north. they’d protect themselves against it.thirdly, there was exactly 12 hours of night and 12 hours of day. it was almost too neat and logical.
(DIR) Post #ACA1z5QxGkPWL1OzOC by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T16:57:20.294862Z
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one of the hidden perks of the northern latitudes is that, as you get further north, you get more and more dramatic and drawn out sunrises and sunsets. if you’re north of the arctic circle, you get what essentially amounts to a whole-night sunset/sunrise.like this:
(DIR) Post #ACA2Bi7tElPBodVJse by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T16:59:37.129655Z
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having lived both north of the arctic circle and at the equator, each has its own advantages and disadvantages. it gets quite cold in the north but you’re rarely drenched in sweat unless it’s humid. it’s nice and warm in the south and you’re never alone (which is both good and bad) but the sun wants to kill you and everything wants to rot and there are bugs everywhere.
(DIR) Post #ACA2KWP8BjcW4DlnYe by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:01:12.158111Z
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north of the arctic circle: light switch on for 6 months, light switch off for 6 months.equator: light switch on for 12 hours, light switch off for 12 hours.
(DIR) Post #ACA2aJwIIiqu2ZobfU by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:04:04.109075Z
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one of the questions i get a lot is “how do you sleep if it’s never dark in the summer?”well, you can block out the light. you can’t block it out completely, but you can get your bedroom fairly dim. also, at night, the sun is not as intense as in the day, and it’s not white. it’s very yellow or red. it’s a matter of condition. if it was always like that since the day you were born, you can sleep fine if it isn’t dark. ever fall asleep on the couch even though you didn’t turn the lights out? well…
(DIR) Post #ACA2cK2ys3saxDthJ2 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:04:25.848990Z
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one of the questions i get a lot is “how do you sleep if it’s never dark in the summer?”well, you can block out the light. you can’t block it out completely, but you can get your bedroom fairly dim. also, at night, the sun is not as intense as in the day, and it’s not white. it’s very yellow or red. it’s a matter of conditioning. if it was always like that since the day you were born, you can sleep fine if it isn’t dark. ever fall asleep on the couch even though you didn’t turn the lights out? well…
(DIR) Post #ACA2g7zbdBPIj68KoK by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:05:07.038357Z
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also, if you live north of the arctic circle and light really does give you sleep issues, there are always sleep masks.
(DIR) Post #ACA2q4PRoA5uVcxfc0 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:06:54.605199Z
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blocking the windows also helps with a thing they never talk much about when they do documentaries on the arctic: north of the arctic circle, but not so far north as to eliminate insects and mammals with tasty blood, summer means giant swarms of mosquitoes, and they come out at night. you wanna block that.
(DIR) Post #ACA2r6qcEDr0MQAGqO by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2021-10-08T17:06:42Z
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@thor plus, I find light hygiene to be really important.Around 22:00 I want my blinds down and getting into the "dark mode" in the summer. Some dim red-ish light source, etc. An hour or two later I am ready to sleep.
(DIR) Post #ACA2xvgI8xw1ktaUym by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:08:20.022975Z
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@rysiek i forget if you speak a Scandinavian language, but we have a word “døgnvill”døgn is a 24-hour day.vill is wild, confusedsometimes, especially if you’re young and awake or sleeping at very random times, you get “døgnvill”
(DIR) Post #ACA32l7apcQyS9f1Xs by travisfw@mastodon.technology
2021-10-08T17:07:50Z
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@thor I sometimes think I would like to go to Point Barrow just for the equinox.
(DIR) Post #ACA33y8DwgVD5pX5RQ by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:09:25.649101Z
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@travisfw that’s roughly at the same latitude that i grew up at.
(DIR) Post #ACA33zxJAExWkYROhk by xue@shitposter.club
2021-10-08T17:09:26.201212Z
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@thor i had always thought that Norwegians drunk themselves to sleep - well, i guess you learn something everyday
(DIR) Post #ACA34fL9IVOJ6MuW3c by rysiek@mastodon.technology
2021-10-08T17:09:07Z
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@thor oh, good to know! yeah, experienced that, but usually at things like the CCC, for reasons completely unrelated to sunlight. xD
(DIR) Post #ACA3BX7OGTVVd3kXku by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:10:47.587724Z
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@xue we are a bit more boring than that, i’m afraid.i feel that, sometimes, people have these ideas about Norwegians like…like the Irish or the Scots. there are these stereotypes but if you go to Belfast or Dublin you’ll find, well, plain old white people.
(DIR) Post #ACA3EdJlffUVj318hk by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:11:21.074040Z
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@xue *Belfast, Dublin or Edinburgh
(DIR) Post #ACA3GSn5mV5feibebI by travisfw@mastodon.technology
2021-10-08T17:11:19Z
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@thor it's the permafrost. When the water doesn't sink into the ground, there are lots of little lakes where mosquitos breed. I could be wrong, but I think climate change might actually be reducing mosquito populations in some latitudes.
(DIR) Post #ACA3HykWRgt73y7ve4 by xue@shitposter.club
2021-10-08T17:11:57.721622Z
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@thor scotland isnt real, its made up concept
(DIR) Post #ACA3KDIJL3uekizrTE by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:12:21.747566Z
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@travisfw well, you definitely need lakes or some kind of still water for mosquitoes to thrive, but i’m not sure if permafrost is required to have many lakes.
(DIR) Post #ACA3Mzb2iv618d5FY0 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:12:51.838586Z
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@xue noooo kilts look so comfy :noo:
(DIR) Post #ACA3QZ6v8guS9UhKPw by travisfw@mastodon.technology
2021-10-08T17:13:14Z
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@thor wow. That's a cold winter for sure. I grew up at roughly 62°N.
(DIR) Post #ACA3aB8H907sgHupH6 by xue@shitposter.club
2021-10-08T17:15:14.881789Z
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@thor https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9mK-EtTACM
(DIR) Post #ACA3bhBjRmkCOEFuiG by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:15:30.311763Z
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@travisfw it’s cold buthere’s the funny thing: i am currently living at ~60º in Oslo but i freeze my ass off more here. the air is… “raw” here. i guess humid. it gets to the bones more. and there’s wind.up north your ears get cold but when it’s really cold there is no wind and barely any humidity. you have more trouble with dried out skin than feeling cold tbh.
(DIR) Post #ACA3kFKwMr1icGdkeG by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:17:03.853905Z
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@travisfw man, when it’s like -30ºC and extremely still. you can hear your own heartbeat, and then you see the northern lights (aurora borealis), and there isn’t a soul around, and it’s something else.
(DIR) Post #ACA3q7HfDkgjNVuH4q by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:18:07.638316Z
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@travisfw fun story: ATMs do not like extremely cold temperatures. there was this one time, in the village of Karasjok, where someone accidentally got a balance of 2 million NOK on their account when using the ATM…
(DIR) Post #ACA3zGEPK7z7jbkBDk by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:19:43.732030Z
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@travisfw as for coldi always felt that my home region would be a most excellent location for a datacenter because the air is cool and they have run fibres up there. in my home town, you can get fibre internet to your home.
(DIR) Post #ACA41jOzq2MgmksIT2 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:20:13.522071Z
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@travisfw also, very few people live there, and real estate is cheap because there is more than enough space.
(DIR) Post #ACA48jsQTJmUHhyvaq by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:21:29.566395Z
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@travisfw Jeff Bezos visited a nearby town once…https://salmonbusiness.com/why-was-amazons-bezos-in-north-norway-locals-say-aquaculture/i don’t know why they say it was aquaculture. the place is perfect for datacenters. you even get a tax break if you’re a business.
(DIR) Post #ACA4CzQYb6LvfiyOo4 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:22:15.765819Z
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@travisfw actually you get a tax break as a private individual. less sure about business, but in any case, tax break.
(DIR) Post #ACA4Iy1Yj9nZ3d8Aqm by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:23:20.576979Z
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@travisfw i think maybe the biggest hurdle to getting a datacenter going up there is qualified labour. who wants to live up there? i’m an example of a person who left. i was destined to work in IT and there was nothing there for me so i left.
(DIR) Post #ACA4PRgXMTqOmqO3tY by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:24:29.679958Z
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@travisfw now, if there was a datacenter up there that i could work at and a means of getting around without having a driver’s license, then i think i’d be okay with living there.
(DIR) Post #ACA5dUWHieDJaQqx1M by MinimalClick@mas.to
2021-10-08T17:36:42Z
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@thor that is so beautiful
(DIR) Post #ACA5hPxIdBD2aaMSMi by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:38:57.938403Z
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@MinimalClick as a kid, being used to it, i didn’t like it. i looked at TV shows and movies and thought it was cool that it would get dark during summer. as an adult, it’s different..
(DIR) Post #ACA6l9qUZJeTjoWZe4 by vae@programming.socks.town
2021-10-08T17:50:25.672850Z
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@thor @travisfw >the air is… “raw” here. i guess humid.I don't think the word raw can be applied here (it doesn't make sense in english afaik) but in Russian we use the same word for raw and humid air and looks like you do too
(DIR) Post #ACA6oa9dD4vcCZ6quW by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:51:27.693274Z
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@vae @travisfw this is why i put it in quotes, yes. i know the English speakers don’t use that word, but perhaps they’d get it somehow
(DIR) Post #ACA6tonuAdet5IRafQ by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:52:24.753851Z
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@vae @travisfw also the dots indicate that i can’t find a good word for it in English no matter how many hours spent on Google.
(DIR) Post #ACA6wHLr0D88CbUqga by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:52:51.381636Z
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@travisfw @vae “rå luft” means raw air, and it hits differently
(DIR) Post #ACA7AVSPM2RS0LLXM0 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:55:25.596171Z
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@travisfw @vae perhaps this is a side effect of where we are on the world map.i grew up not super far from the Russian border. okay, you needed to drive for a few hours, but…around the army base near my home town, there were signs in Russian indicating that an army base was nearby. i can’t imagine any other reason for this than, if the Soviets invaded, be warned, you are about to infringe on the territory of an army base
(DIR) Post #ACA7McTn4UmLG6lkH2 by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:57:36.098625Z
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@travisfw @vae yet my uncle married a Russian woman. Russians would often come to our home town and set up market stands on the town square to sell things. and Russians fought the nazis and got them out of north Norway, yet did not claim these areas as their own. they just fought off the bad guys and left. we have centuries of trade history with Russia:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomor_trade
(DIR) Post #ACA7Tw64X5Z681ADKq by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T17:58:55.743662Z
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@travisfw @vae to this day, Norway is carrying out a very careful balancing act of pleasing both the Americans and the Russians. we have ties to Russia but America/Britain saved our asses from the Nazis.
(DIR) Post #ACA7fAkYOTUul7SN3w by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T18:00:58.168467Z
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@travisfw @vae we lean more towards the Americans but we do consider the interests of Russia and we see how Russia feels threatened. i was mistaken for a Russian in Moscow airport once. i’m sure i have some Russian genes in me.
(DIR) Post #ACAFHmzxKoYO4G1QCu by lxo@gnusocial.net
2021-10-08T19:25:11Z
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sunset and sunrise wallclock times are not so much a function of latitude as day *length* are. I mean, consider your references point, and two nother points at the same latitude, one to the West, another to the East, all 3 in the same time zone. sunset and sunrise times would move depending on longitude, while day lengths would match at the 3 points despite the offsets. say, sunrise and sunset could be observed with a wallclock time difference of almost 1h within a timezone slice spanning 15°, at the same latitude; the gap could be even wider, since it's defined by law and conventions. this effect is even easier to notice if you happen to pick neighboring points separated by a timezone border: same sunset, but a 1 hour difference in the wallclock times in which it's observed at those points
(DIR) Post #ACAFHnWDOsMFgJ7BUO by thor@pl.thj.no
2021-10-08T19:26:08.209915Z
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@lxo way too much