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 (DIR) Post #A8eHyQa4LsYOGK1DdY by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
       2021-06-25T15:49:23Z
       
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       @KayFaraday an offending ephebo is an oxymoron (unless they offend against younger kids). With hebes it's a bit more complex, but actually, the hebe aoa ends at 14.
       
 (DIR) Post #A8ePlj4F6gm3SyaPiK by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
       2021-06-25T17:16:45Z
       
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       @KayFaraday I would not support an adult dating a 14 year old. But that's a very niche intersection of a person who is legal to date and should not date an adult, so these cases won't affect the offense statistics.
       
 (DIR) Post #A8kreUzgn6jlT1cxVI by finr@baraag.net
       2021-06-26T17:59:38Z
       
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       @chronic I'd say my general "age of consent" tag ( https://fiction-is-not-reality.dreamwidth.org/tag/age+of+consent ) has more elaboration on this topic, especially since the post that was linked is 3 years old. I think the more recent posts could also be a good read. @KayFaraday I'd ask you back what you think of Sambia's rite of passage. Or more in general: anthropology is /full/ of these reports. Even Kinsey's work was full of this, and it applied to modern America.(follows in the next toot)
       
 (DIR) Post #A8kreVXikZxXAZY8Y4 by finr@baraag.net
       2021-06-26T18:07:33Z
       
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       @KayFaraday I'd be careful about extending the label "MAP" outside US bounds without squinting more than a bit. "MAP" was cemented in a US context, with US AoC in mind. It's not automatic that an adult in Europe, naturalized to the notion that 14 and 15yo can legally consent to sex where they live, would even categorize themselves with a label that separates them from the norm. "most hebe/ephebophiles offend 'cause it's legal where they live" has only semantic sense from an outsider's POV
       
 (DIR) Post #A8kreVz175nGXEJw5w by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
       2021-06-28T19:57:26Z
       
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       @finr @KayFaraday the term isn't used literally anymore though. Some maps do not define it as being attracted to "minors", but to visibly young people in general.
       
 (DIR) Post #A8ksUGbDYUUJsgrk1I by finr@baraag.net
       2021-06-28T20:06:44Z
       
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       @comrade_lecter @KayFaraday "Some", precisely.My point was simply that assuming "MAP" is a meaningful label to use globally when it applies to cultural contexts where it doesn't fit as easily as in the US (or other places where it fits how society categorizes age gap & inter-generational relationships) can lead to skewed frameworks. Especially because it's heavily connotated, both when the in-group and the out-group uses it, so the colloquial use of it is (still) not simply descriptive.
       
 (DIR) Post #A8ktB1pkKUHsXR3HDU by comrade_lecter@nnia.space
       2021-06-28T20:14:32Z
       
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       @finr @KayFaraday maps who are not originating in USA still identify as maps on a global scale, regardless of individual definitions.No identity label that was born in a particular culture ("gay", "queer", etc) is 100% transferable elsewhere, but people might still take it and fill it with a different sense.
       
 (DIR) Post #A8kwOHJeNT90BP35M0 by finr@baraag.net
       2021-06-28T20:50:29Z
       
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       @comrade_lecter That was never in doubt, and also a point I was assuming as background while I commented on Kay's quote. I.e. A good chunk of Europeans would laugh histerically at the notion that being sexually active with teenagers above the AoC makes them MAPs (=category separated from "normative" attraction). The same demographic that many US antis already call child molesters protected by local law. My toot wasn't aimed at excluding people from identifying with the label/community