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(DIR) Post #A7tEsvFpxnGnMj7csy by the_trunchbull@spinster.xyz
2021-06-02T22:12:19.964698Z
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You’ve peaked, but how peaked are you? Do you believe medical “transition” is ever a good option for adults?[This is a copy of a poll I posted six months ago. I’m curious to see if the results have changed. Please share, and if you personally have changed your view, I’d love to hear why.]
(DIR) Post #A7tEsviuDiWQosiqC8 by senryu@spinster.xyz
2021-06-02T22:48:40.186776Z
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@the_trunchbull I'm hovering between the bottom two because I'm not a fan of getting the police involved. But medical certification boards should definitely look into exercising their licensing powers. I used to be #2 because I knew a couple trans guys back in the late 1980s.
(DIR) Post #A7tLglCyBlE2PavdVA by Linnas@spinster.xyz
2021-06-03T00:14:42.808679Z
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@the_trunchbull Personally, I do not believe that this medical “treatment” is a good option for anyone. However, it is really a moot point, because what we are seeing is a reaction to the state of our society, and it can be fixed only by addressing the root of the problem. If these procedures are made illegal, the field will just move underground and in other countries. It seems to me that these three goals are achievable: (1) no medical intervention hopefully until 21, or, at least, 18; (2) protect women-only spaces, and thus reduce APGs’ desire to “transition”, and (3) stop paying for the surgeries with the taxpayers’ money.To deal with the rest we must fix our society first, starting with pornography and social media.
(DIR) Post #A7tlkxXWsb8OclCxLk by RockTheBoat@spinster.xyz
2021-06-03T05:08:35.095147Z
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@the_trunchbull It’s a very “new” type of mental disorder in that there hasn’t been decades+ of work into finding effective therapeutic techniques. I’ve dealt with dysphoric symptoms myself (since puberty?) and when people tell me they tried therapy and it didn’t work, I seriously have to laugh as I’ve been in therapy on/off since before they were even born, while they oftentimes say something like “I went for a few months and it didn’t help.” Serious mental disorders can take a decade, decades, or even a lifetime to overcome. This fact has become lost, and everyone is looking for that quick fix in the form of a pill, or now surgery. I’ve worked for the better part of a year just to get one coping skill to work. And yet, I still see many people saying they tried something but it didn’t help. Did they actually try? In many cases, no. So, given that there aren’t decent therapeutic techniques, I don’t believe it’s right to just skip ahead to hormones and surgery. I have tried newer types of therapy which have helped me, so I know they could possibly help others, too.
(DIR) Post #A7u1Rr44KQeoJ3L9we by feerique@spinster.xyz
2021-06-03T00:47:35.752046Z
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@the_trunchbull I don't like it but I don't think the state has any business stopping a grown adult from surgery provided they've first received counseling. I mean, it's pretty invasive but at the end of the day, people go to plastic surgeons all the time. What I oppose is the legal recognition. Surgery or hormones do not change one's sex or as they call it "gender" (which for all their claims to the contrary, they clearly think as the same).
(DIR) Post #A7u1RrW4eJ3hhuRWb2 by LuvGreenTea2019@spinster.xyz
2021-06-03T02:17:29.071595Z
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@feerique @the_trunchbull Children should never be medically transitioned. Ever. I don't care if adults want to mutilate their bodies. It doesn't change their sex. An adult who chooses to mutilate his or her own body shouldn't be able to legally change sex. Humans can't change their sex any more than people can turn into cats, dragons, or whatever. Not a cat.https://www.medicaldaily.com/world-famous-cat-man-who-spent-years-morphing-himself-tiger-may-have-died-suicide-243516Not a woman.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel_Levine#/media/File:Rachel_L._Levine_(HHS_ASH).jpgNot a dragon.https://www.vice.com/en/article/kz5bxa/eva-tiamat-medusa-dragon-lady-transgenderNot a woman. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/18/she-gained-fame-as-an-early-transgender-advocate-now-shes-charged-with-triple-homicide/
(DIR) Post #A7u1Rs2KiMrZJxXHsW by BCLADY@spinster.xyz
2021-06-03T08:07:32.050428Z
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@LuvGreenTea2019 @feerique @the_trunchbull CATMAN WAS NOT A CAT BUT CATMAN WAS THE COOLEST OUT OF ALL OF THEM BECAUSE HE DIDN'T WANNA IMPOSE ON SOCIETY AND RAN AROUND ON AN ISLAND ANKED AND ALONE. ALSO THE LIP THING WAS JUST TOO WEIRD. VERY ADVENTUROUS FACE IMPLANTS.HE PROBABLY ONLY WANTED TO KNOCK GLASSES OFF COUNTERS. SERIOUSLY THOUGH, IT'S TOO BAD PEOPLE NEED TO KEEP LEARNING THAT CRAZY SURGERY ISN'T THE SAME THING AS MENTAL HEALTH HELP.
(DIR) Post #A7uPiIcY2bbtIrqG0G by bornwithovaries@spinster.xyz
2021-06-03T06:13:41.884572Z
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@the_trunchbull I saw someone argue that if a person identified as an elephant and a surgeon actually tried to construct them a trunk, he'd be brought up on charges.Putting it that way really opened my eyes.A woman is every bit as materially real and distinct as an elephant is.
(DIR) Post #A7uwOqjen5x1ntV57Y by Mary_Collier@spinster.xyz
2021-06-03T18:33:57.892757Z
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I think we are way past the point of ever eradicating medical “transition.”
(DIR) Post #A7uwOr9tDYw17Fm20e by ArtistBristol@spinster.xyz
2021-06-03T18:45:41.221454Z
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@Mary_Collier @the_trunchbull Adults only, and they should pay for it all themselves. Why should my taxes go to their delusions? ALL of these surgeries are a mostly white, first world fetish.This is the only type of plastic surgery that has real validity:https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/giving-the-babies-of-vietnam-their-smiles-back-1.3065360
(DIR) Post #A7uwtWFd0849FY4xNY by MandyJane@spinster.xyz
2021-06-03T18:49:57.860348Z
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@ArtistBristol @Mary_Collier @the_trunchbull My sister worked for a plastic surgeon who specialized in reconstruction after severe burns. I do think there are some people who get into that field for ethical reasons. Too bad it's overrun with greedy assholes.
(DIR) Post #A7viPV6nTo1uophTQe by greenpunk@spinster.xyz
2021-06-03T22:13:14.131885Z
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I will say that though I'm absolutely against genital mutilation on either sex for any reason (including the rise of "cosmetic" procedures on adult women, and circumcision on boys and young adult males) I do have some practical reservations from a harm reduction standpoint regarding adults. (The if you're going to do it we'd rather you be safe argument.)But yeah ideally ban all genital mutilation on both males and females at all ages, excluding perhaps adults getting certain piercings/procedures with extremely low risk of dysfunction. @the_trunchbull
(DIR) Post #A7vimVAfPiQhfmThRI by BeachBleach@spinster.xyz
2021-06-04T03:47:48.523797Z
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@greenpunk @the_trunchbull Yes. I don't understand people who think male circumcision is okay, but FGM is bad. Both of them are bad. I thought penises came without a foreskin, because that was all I saw when I was a young adult. Eventually I had sex with a couple of guys with foreskins, and I found out what I was missing in the pleasure department. I was really flabbergasted after I read up on what I was missing. Foreskins make a huge difference in the sensation for me as a woman. Unfortunately, in the United States, they seem to be obsessed with snipping off foreskins and removing a lot of very sensitive tissue that has several functions during sex, for both men and women. George Carlin has a routine where he talks about how they cut off bits of your genitals so you won't enjoy sex, because sex is evil and sinful.More info: sexasnatureintendedit.com
(DIR) Post #A858xUPuu6BZkb9NwG by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T16:53:31.523549Z
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@the_trunchbull the thing is, as horrible as it is, bodily autonomy is a hard line for me. Children are not competent to make longterm, life altering decisions about their bodies, but adults must be free to go to Hell in their own way. If we don't 'own' our own body, then no other rights matter, at all.God help us.I think surgeons who do this sort of thing are behaving unethically, and should face censure from their licensing boards, but I don't see an ethical way to make this horror show illegal.
(DIR) Post #A85CYTKGDvEawXpa0u by Nebula@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T17:21:15.998052Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @the_trunchbull Frankly if people are against transition, they should also oppose body modification in general which includes everything from piercings, gauges, and tattoos to all plastic surgery that isn’t reconstructive or medically necessary. Who am I to say if an adult can modify their body? I’m not, and I think medical interventions are good for very few people, especially surgical (bottom surgeries). There needs to be extensive gatekeeping and patients need to be able to easily access research from ALL angles, including complications and detransition. These matters are being silenced by TRA’s. Doctors need to go through rigorous training, and there needs to be consistency among procedures, aftercare, etc. As far as I know, this isn’t happening.I agree that some surgeons are butchering people though, and there needs to be better regulation on who can perform these procedures.Overall, I have mixed feelings on gender reassignment surgery. I feel like I can’t be 100% against it for adults since I also like body modification and find it fascinating. 🤷🏻♀️
(DIR) Post #A85CYTluZ7LuKIlf72 by ThemysciraSteel@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T17:29:37.179881Z
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@Nebula @GrumpyOldNurse @the_trunchbull Yeah but the people doing ‘gender reassignment’ believe they’re actually a new sex and deserve the accommodations and accomplishments of said sex. You don’t see guys with earrings calling themselves Ironman. Except that furry ‘deer man’, who got shot by hunters on accident.
(DIR) Post #A85CmKSRzVBjUhGkXQ by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T17:36:19.644017Z
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@ThemysciraSteel @Nebula @the_trunchbull granting them the legal status of the opposite sex is a different argument, though.
(DIR) Post #A85DHqN1OJsVRhl0MK by Nebula@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T17:39:41.305862Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @ThemysciraSteel @the_trunchbull That’s true. I don’t have time to write a longer reply, but I’ve never understood why they don’t just put “Biological Sex” and “Gender Identity” on forms and be done with it. You can just select N/A for the latter...
(DIR) Post #A85DHqkly0sQdMryNc by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T17:42:00.454232Z
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@Nebula @ThemysciraSteel @the_trunchbull do we even need to discuss gender identity, though? No official forms ask me for my astrological sign or favorite colour.
(DIR) Post #A85DKyxDvu6kwABeim by Rogue_Koala@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T17:39:00.396837Z
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Nobody cares about men who want to invert their pee pee.We care about the social impact and erasure of women's material reality and rights. Female safe guarding and our right to freely understand reality without being gas-lit by mentally ill people who can't face reality. Who expect and demand everyone to be as wreckless with truth as they are. Expecting us to lie along with them. To deny basic facts and to continue eroding real information for pseudo fantasy bullshit. The height of human civilisation should not be measured by the extent we are capable of fooling ourselves and each other. And pretending it's progress.All because men want to invert their pee pee.@Nebula @GrumpyOldNurse @the_trunchbull
(DIR) Post #A85DYtwLN9BRRLPdfE by ThemysciraSteel@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T17:44:43.323758Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @Nebula @the_trunchbull Just because someone a piece of paper, doesn’t make it true.
(DIR) Post #A85Duy1creFaTsPAp6 by Chronic-Yonic@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T17:46:13.434883Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @Nebula @ThemysciraSteel @the_trunchbull Exactly. This has become a question of aesthetics (plastic surgery, piercings, tattoos, etc.) versus gender reassignment and then the legal papers that go with those surgeries. IMO not the same thing at all. I've got piercings on one ear and never asked to be named Robert afterwards LOL
(DIR) Post #A85DvyzgkR8Nm6z13A by Nebula@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T17:46:51.967809Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @ThemysciraSteel @the_trunchbull Lol that’s true! Thanks for making me laugh while at my stupid job...This whole publicizing of “identity” and people’s “identity journey” is so weird to me. Like, keep a journal like a normal person and stop posting about it every second you are online. Some of the stuff I see makes me have second hand embarrassment for the posters...
(DIR) Post #A85E2ij9cqHDLsSiJM by GrumpyOldNurse@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T17:50:28.829659Z
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@Nebula @ThemysciraSteel @the_trunchbull can you imagine how horrible it must be to be so empty and needy that you have to broadcast your every thought into the universe?If they weren't doing so much harm, I'd pity them.
(DIR) Post #A85E8BzWFZnLYnj4Ns by Nebula@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T17:41:53.039617Z
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@Rogue_Koala @GrumpyOldNurse @the_trunchbull Isn’t the statistic around over 80% of men DON’T have bottom surgery though?
(DIR) Post #A85E8CWUH0AND39Ols by Rogue_Koala@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T17:46:42.990854Z
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The statistic is irrelevant as it was symbolic of transition. Nobody cares about men presenting as female stereotypes. If that was the problem we'd of seen this uproar decades ago with transvestites.People care about these men being accepted socially and lawfully as actual females. There is an enormous difference between a man pissing about with gender stereotypes and legally having the power and protection to be accepted as a female. In courts, in employment, policy, in law, in hospital wards changing rooms etc.@Nebula @GrumpyOldNurse @the_trunchbull
(DIR) Post #A85H4H4TikUK1Hrvv6 by Nebula@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T18:03:37.754015Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @ThemysciraSteel @the_trunchbull No kidding. Sometimes I’ll post on here and quick delete it because I figure no one cares...😂 How/why do think that everyone cares what they think, what they’re doing, wearing, etc.? Social media is so weird.
(DIR) Post #A85H4UImWseb3Pf2WG by ThemysciraSteel@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T18:12:45.866313Z
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@Nebula @GrumpyOldNurse @the_trunchbull Amusement and sharing info (articles, blogs, etc) seem to be more useful. But all those bird pictures 😭 @Flick
(DIR) Post #A85H52uBsImONHQOY4 by ThemysciraSteel@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T18:11:18.925469Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @Nebula @the_trunchbull My pity is for the children, not the adults.
(DIR) Post #A85HEGphSh3mAzisxk by ThemysciraSteel@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T17:57:05.856111Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @Nebula @the_trunchbull One is more pushy and needy, that’s for sure
(DIR) Post #A85HFB7MCESSjyPmG8 by ThemysciraSteel@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T17:55:58.215407Z
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@GrumpyOldNurse @Nebula @the_trunchbull Just because someone purchased a piece of paper, doesn’t make it true.
(DIR) Post #A85uLLIl8s1KH7g7cm by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-06-03T04:23:18.563369Z
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@LuvGreenTea2019 @feerique @the_trunchbull The surgeons involved in this shitshow are beyond unethical,utterly shocking, should be struck off for their part in it.
(DIR) Post #A85uQCszrGr7cfwoOe by Dworkin_9to5@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T16:25:53.655487Z
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@the_trunchbull I don't know. I'm skeptical that surgery could ever be the best course of treatment for a mental disorder. I question how it was every stumbled upon as a potential treatment in the first place.That being said, I'm not a doctor. I'm not a psychologist. I don't have any special knowledge in this area, and I'm willing to consider that I could be wrong.
(DIR) Post #A85uaPg79TfWC1mxhQ by Spring@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T17:12:36.938229Z
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@the_trunchbull I think what it needs is serious overview by medical/surgical governing bodies themselves and professionally outlawed if that is a term. Perhaps "discredited" would be a better word. Surgery is extremely badly regulated compared with medicine/drug development and that is one of the big problems here.
(DIR) Post #A85ucUIUwuQZ68jQIa by Gnomeshatecheese@spinster.xyz
2021-06-08T17:15:48.349285Z
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@Spring That’s something I’m definitely behind, even if my main answer was a rather non-committal. I think medical boards need to crack down on aesthetic surgery in general, in fact. @the_trunchbull
(DIR) Post #A87mWLkzNYBhYVXYIq by the_trunchbull@spinster.xyz
2021-06-09T22:43:48.263844Z
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Okay - this time let’s say what we really mean. Do you believe that it should be legal for doctors to slowly and painfully kill seriously mentally ill people?