Post A70eC62yKa6fYZ2Xce by Clariana@spinster.xyz
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(DIR) Post #A70A9LnWJfbqufaSVU by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T08:32:19.689410Z
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https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1390571928050708480People don't vote for parties whose activists have open contempt for them, part 198,634.Stop calling ordinary people TERFs, gammons and thickos when they don't doff their caps at you. You can't identify as our representation any more than you can identify as a woman if you're not one.It's nothing to do with the leader. It's YOU. You can pick any leader you like but if all you do is call the electorate names and openly hope the country fails because that electorate didn't vote for you, they WON'T FUCKING VOTE FOR YOU.(Old school working class material leftist, weeping with frustration this morning.)
(DIR) Post #A70KuD3Le5kIwZyOno by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T08:37:38.108237Z
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@LangCleg Yep, all of this, ALL of it.
(DIR) Post #A70KuDTw3F0sH2PdFA by Funsizescot1975@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T08:51:49.646014Z
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@HebrideanHecate @LangCleg I had a very similar conversation with my slightly, shall we say, enthusiastically nationalist brother in law. He was ranting about unionists this and unionists that and calling them thick etc. I pointed out that if he really wanted a United and independent Scotland we are going too need those people and this constant oh they are stupid etc is not the way to win hearts and minds. I get so frustrated when I hear crap like this. Oh why are those fucking idiots not voting for us, oh I don’t know maybe because you just called them fucking idiots!
(DIR) Post #A70KuDt6Xf97X6BjTU by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T09:26:20.094591Z
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@Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate It does my bloody head in, it really does.Labour's leader is irrelevant. People aren't voting for them because the class hatred of its posh activists is so virulent and because those activists, from their place of privilege, actually publicly gloat when the country does badly because it had the effrontery not to vote for them.It really is that simple.
(DIR) Post #A70KuEIH25HMn9xpho by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T09:27:45.809259Z
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@LangCleg @Funsizescot1975 As they scream, hold their noses and jump on a chair, shoulda genuine working class person cross their path, while pokingsticks at them through the bars at the back.
(DIR) Post #A70KuEirREXw7cP49A by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T09:30:21.161551Z
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@HebrideanHecate @Funsizescot1975 I mean, we're being led by a lazy-arse dilettante who doesn't even know how to comb his hair and couldn't lead the way out of a paper bag.But Boris comes across as though he actually likes the country and the people who live in it. It really isn't rocket science.
(DIR) Post #A70KuF8jt1FLPsVjU0 by Funsizescot1975@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T09:33:51.140839Z
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@LangCleg Exactly that’s why I am amazed they don’t see how easy it would be to unseat him and the Tories. A little humility a little respect for the voters and they’d be golden but nah sneering condescension is what they go for. As I pointed out to my brother in law he is helping no one and not the cause with insults. @HebrideanHecate
(DIR) Post #A70KuFYGM7fAh2S7Ga by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T10:24:08.530403Z
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@Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate I'm afraid so.You cannot win elections on the back of poshies and students in cities sneering at the lessers.Looking on Twitter, they're now saying we need a Progressive Alliance (no, dears, that would just double down on the sneering) or to get a PR system (no, dears, you can't change the rules of a game because you feel entitled to win it and we already had a referendum on that in which the lessers also told you to fuck off).Anything, anything, except reflect on themselves.
(DIR) Post #A70Ok1r6p2B18WeKLQ by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T12:04:42.110027Z
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@LangCleg @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate oh do you think for a minute that Labour calling everyone that expressed concern over Europe white racist shits didn’t pay off? 🤣
(DIR) Post #A70OqfRUYIULeNpgcC by Funsizescot1975@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T12:05:43.507929Z
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@Ladyfat I know it’s seems a long shot but I think that might be it I can’t be sure though me not being a Labour voter obvious means I’m none too smart! @LangCleg @HebrideanHecate
(DIR) Post #A70RhhJAXtZuh2M1Ue by Clariana@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T12:37:54.081202Z
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@Ladyfat @LangCleg @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate Like it or not, British exceptionalism, i.e. good old racism played a significant part in the Brexit vote. This is one of the reason why Britain now has an openly racist PM. Theresa May didn't care much for foreigners, either. It is not wrong to point out these truths.
(DIR) Post #A70Tm11tMd4evNSZ8K by firebird2110@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T12:58:48.319849Z
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@Ladyfat @LangCleg @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate but actually listening to the reasons why someone disagrees with you, or just has concerns about something you're passionate about is so much more work than name calling 😂
(DIR) Post #A70U3SYuFgnHEoDhAm by Ladyfat@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T13:04:14.898299Z
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@Clariana @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate @LangCleg Theresa May was treated appallingly by Europe, partially because she is a woman.
(DIR) Post #A70UlErWY4IVUTnszQ by ArtistBristol@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T13:12:09.735273Z
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@Ladyfat @Clariana @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate @LangCleg She was treated like shit and stabbed in the back by her own party because she was a woman. When she was Prime Minister, she could not even buy her own drink in the bar, in a Conservative Club! They didn't allow women at the bar!As a woman who previously worked in a male field - chemistry - she should have been more celebrated. But all it was ever about was her handbag, shoes, voice, and how henpecked her poor male Cabinet Ministers were.I was a commie at the time, but the sexism towards her was shocking.
(DIR) Post #A70UtYyReqQqBN0hPs by ArtistBristol@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T13:13:39.921215Z
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@Ladyfat @Clariana @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate @LangCleg Margaret Thatcher was treated like shit and stabbed in the back by her own party because she was a woman. When she was Prime Minister, she could not even buy her own drink in the bar, in a Conservative Club! They didn't allow women at the bar!As a woman who previously worked in a male field - chemistry - she should have been more celebrated. But all it was ever about was her handbag, shoes, voice, and how henpecked her poor male Cabinet Ministers were.I was a commie at the time, didnt agree with most of her policies, but the sexism towards her was shocking.
(DIR) Post #A70eC62yKa6fYZ2Xce by Clariana@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T14:57:51.639743Z
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@Ladyfat @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate @LangCleg Theresa May is odious. Remember the "hostile environment" she installed in the Home Office. The illegal deportations of Black Afro Carribean people some who had even fought for the UK? The first thing she did was fall out with one of her top civil servants and then blame HIM, Brodie Clark, for the fiasco caused by HER decision. Cost the tax payer a pretty penny. How did "Europe" treat her more appallingly than her own sexist party did? She actually reached a better Brexit deal than Boris. But apparently the sun shines out of the blond buffoon's arse...
(DIR) Post #A70eO0ekCQpMJQO7xQ by Clariana@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T15:00:00.781545Z
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@Ladyfat @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate @LangCleg Pretty much every politician who supported Brexit has been a slimy sleezebag. There's a reason for that.
(DIR) Post #A71I8ItibfZaQ8SSJM by Gnomeshatecheese@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T11:12:57.384483Z
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@LangCleg actually publicly gloat when the country does badly because it had the effrontery not to vote for them.One of the uglier things I’ve seen in politics in the recent years has been this exact behaviour after the Brexit vote. The pro-EU liberals and lefties have been having a jolly good chuckle about all the horrible things they now are sure will happen to the UK. The only conclusion I can draw is that they think the rest of the country will see their error and come crawling back with its tail between its legs, apolgising and telling them they were right all along. Nobody has told them that actively being a dick to those who disagree is likely to only make them more determined to not give in. @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate
(DIR) Post #A71I8JM4uEG3q5j6W0 by Clariana@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T22:25:22.124236Z
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@Gnomeshatecheese @LangCleg @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate I spent a fair few years interacting with Brexiters over the internet. They are not as bad as TRAs but almost so. I now wish Brexiters a lovely hard one and am happy to do so because I've quit the UK due to Brexit. Let them stew in their bed of lies.Any right minded person would want Brexit to fail? Why? Because if it succeeds it means nationalism, idiot flag waving and lies on the side of buses work. Happily I have another nationality in which I seek some refuge. I don't want Britain to come crawling back to the EU with its tail between its legs, I want it gone. It was poison in the EU, far better outside.
(DIR) Post #A725lcr9ELyNMudS9Q by Gnomeshatecheese@spinster.xyz
2021-05-08T05:27:37.470046Z
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@Clariana Well you clearly are not even hoping to convince the other side, so the point is rather moot. And Just as a clarification, I didn't mean that they want UK to come crawling back to EU, I meant that those in the UK who are gloating about it seem to want the Brexit-voters to crawl back to *them*. Not a massive difference, but I think a significant one. I'm not going to get into a discussion about the EU on this forum, as I consider it irrelevant. There are non-nationalism related arguments for being skeptical of the EU, but that is really irrelevant to the point I was making. In the post you replied to, I was merely talking about how the behaviour of some people *in the UK* has been counterproductive, if they ever hope to convince the UK electorate to listen to them en masse. It's a point that applies to all manner of political issues, and I don't believe Brexit to be an exception. However, if one has no interest in convincing anyone as you say you don't, then of course that is irrelevant. @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate @LangCleg
(DIR) Post #A725ldEBqgP8WNPr4C by Clariana@spinster.xyz
2021-05-08T07:41:31.265501Z
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@Gnomeshatecheese @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate @LangCleg Ah I see you refuse to discuss Brexit. Curious that because my next question was going to be, could you name a specific concrete and tangible benefit of Brexit?I have asked this of so many Brexiters over the years and not a one of them could ever formulate anything close to a coherent reply and yet we are supposed to be NICE to them?😆
(DIR) Post #A72FZIa9mYnkYYRsPI by Gnomeshatecheese@spinster.xyz
2021-05-08T07:47:40.959935Z
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@Clariana I don’t want to discuss it, because this is not the place, in my opinion. I also don’t want to discuss it, because it was not the point. You don’t have to be nice to anyone. But I find it odd that you refuse to acknowledge the point that being actively uncivil might make it harder to convince people, even those who might be convinceable otherwise. And yes, I do think what I saw was an ugly spectacle. That has nothing to do with Brexit itself. @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate @LangCleg
(DIR) Post #A72FZJ1S94dTvDDfxA by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2021-05-08T08:52:16.174883Z
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@Gnomeshatecheese @Clariana @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate There were, are, perfectly good left wing reasons to support Brexit. Which is why Corbyn initially supported it and was forced into supporting a second referendum by his m/c urbanite activists.The referendum to enter was opposed by Labour and supported by the Tories in the 70s for precisely those reasons. It is a financier's/bosses club, not some progressive nirvana.I myself was/am eurosceptic but voted Remain on a stability basis.Not to suggest that there isn't a cadre of racist Brexit voters, but jus' sayin'. Also: Wokeism, which has taken over the pro-EU/rejoin left, is riddled with racism, from bemoaning the fact that hospitality wages have gone up 25% to saying that TIMs are comparable to black women.
(DIR) Post #A72FZJPCildP6sKdyS by Clariana@spinster.xyz
2021-05-08T09:31:20.624173Z
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@LangCleg @Gnomeshatecheese @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate There are, really?C'mon then let's hear some of those reasons... Make sure they are specific concrete and tangible though.Also I thought the left was supposed to be internationalist you know all that "workers of the world unite", where does Brexit leave that? If you are unhappy with TRAs why would you be happy with Brexiters?Their approach and their remit is identical.- All their arguments are based on lies- They support a privileged minority, in the case of Brexit white conservative racists who would without hesitation sell Britain down the river for a scintilla of profit. Look how many have secured alternative EU nationalities or other, even Boris is an American citizen. - The endgame of Brexit is eternal right-wing government same as the end game of TRAs is the eternal subjugation of women. Note that Boris this morning is talking about remaining in power the next 10 years. What fun!- Corbyn was a shill. From a privileged background far richer than most of his supporters, the reason he supported Brexit is basically because it he thought that if he could get into power after Brexit he would have all the resources of the state at his disposal. When a million people attended a demo for remain in London he ran away. And he lost his rag with a female reporter who dared to ask him why he wasn't there...
(DIR) Post #A72G5nohBki0h9kRJw by Clariana@spinster.xyz
2021-05-08T09:37:13.062587Z
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@Gnomeshatecheese @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate @LangCleg I don't think you realise I am not seeking to convince Brexiters of anything anymore. The entire point of wanting Brexit to crash and burn is because we have realised that only events will change minds.So are we here being nice to TRAs?No, we are not!Why? Because they are despicable and foolish the same as Brexiters. In fact being nice to Brexiters is like being nice to racists and fascists, nothing that a person with a minimum of political decency should do.There are in fact many distinct parallels between Brexiters and TRAs and I am surprised you are blind to them.
(DIR) Post #A72GECZT2J63mnd8Pw by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2021-05-08T09:32:30.802616Z
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@Clariana @Funsizescot1975 @Gnomeshatecheese @HebrideanHecate Quod erat demonstrandum.
(DIR) Post #A72GED5j6MtvOqithQ by Clariana@spinster.xyz
2021-05-08T09:38:44.518994Z
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@LangCleg @Funsizescot1975 @Gnomeshatecheese @HebrideanHecate OK so you know Latin.Still waiting for those "good left wing reasons" for supporting Brexit.I suspect they will be a long time coming.Res ipsa loquitur.
(DIR) Post #A72P1OLMr0NK7Z0AKm by Gnomeshatecheese@spinster.xyz
2021-05-08T10:09:11.174436Z
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@Clariana It has been abundantly clear that YOU are not seeking to convince anyone, but rather have taken the opposite view. What I’ve been trying to say is, that in that case, I am not talking about you. You have already decided that the only reasons for someone to be against the EU is that they are “despicable and foolish”. If anything you are behaving like the well-meaning proponents of self-ID and whatnot, who have already decided that the only reason to question such laws is if one is a right-wing reactionary. @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate @LangCleg
(DIR) Post #A72P1OkBMkDzMWbz0q by Clariana@spinster.xyz
2021-05-08T11:17:15.704343Z
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@Gnomeshatecheese @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate @LangCleg To bring Brexit back to feminism... The Brexit vote empowered a man who...a) Divorced one of his wives when she was recovering from cancer...b) Went to court for a gagging order to prevent the mother of one of his illegitimate children naming him as the father.These facts were known about Boris Johnson when he was spearheading the Brexit campaign. Who are did those women voting for Brexit think they were empowering?Its like saying you are a feminist and voting for Trump, a bit iffy. So yes, call me a bad feminist all you want because I refuse to be "nice" to Brexit supporters.
(DIR) Post #A72P4NrL6wsDUINoLw by Clariana@spinster.xyz
2021-05-08T11:17:48.972862Z
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@LangCleg @Gnomeshatecheese @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate Workers empowered by Brexit...https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/07/jersey-fishers-on-survival-after-brexit
(DIR) Post #A72Q0NViZ8G5CZvJtw by Gnomeshatecheese@spinster.xyz
2021-05-08T11:24:35.307927Z
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@Clariana So yes, call me a bad feminist all you want If you reread, you will find that I have done no such thing. In fact, in my last message, I specifically said this was not about you. @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate @LangCleg
(DIR) Post #A72Q0O1GfpUmmQgW4u by Clariana@spinster.xyz
2021-05-08T11:28:17.160852Z
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@Gnomeshatecheese @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate @LangCleg Others have. And they voted for Boris.
(DIR) Post #A74fby3BYsgws4sbCq by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T09:34:36.803287Z
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@Funsizescot1975 @LangCleg That and the fact that they seem to have forgotten what a woman is.
(DIR) Post #A74feLNTnnGnnaVNkO by HebrideanHecate@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T10:41:58.194725Z
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@LangCleg @Funsizescot1975 Self reflection, good God, Lang, are you mad! These people don’tthink it applies to them.
(DIR) Post #A74feZK5xAsh391sPo by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T10:43:33.603325Z
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@HebrideanHecate @Funsizescot1975 And that's the rub of it, all jokes aside.
(DIR) Post #A74fgiXqdbuOEJUEoi by Gnomeshatecheese@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T10:56:54.843115Z
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@LangClegI’m seeing this sneering along all manner of divides in politics, as well as the gloating when things go badly, and I agree, it’s doing nobody any favours. It’s one thing to not understand why groups of people seem to vote against their own material interests, or support policies that one thinks are stupid and horrible, but looking down on and snubbing people because of that is politically incredibly stupid. Nobody can afford to take that attitude to the electorate and expect it to not backfire. The worst part of it, any decent political ideas these people might actually have, get buried or discredited because of their attitudes and behaviour. @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate
(DIR) Post #A74fgk1J9Z4GnyHHNI by Gnomeshatecheese@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T11:03:13.157125Z
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@LangCleg See also:“Everyone who voted/supported X is a [insert a derogatory, inflammatory or just obviously stupid stereotype here]. @Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate
(DIR) Post #A74fjzZHnog5tYikk4 by Funsizescot1975@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T11:22:36.053952Z
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@Gnomeshatecheese Exactly and very comparable to this whole gender clusterfuck you can’t abuse and insult then expect even your good ideas to them be accepted. I can disagree with someone politically and still refrain from you know ‘insert nazi insult here’ @LangCleg @HebrideanHecate
(DIR) Post #A74fwsNXqN2PMWN9s0 by FeartnTired@spinster.xyz
2021-05-07T09:55:58.919831Z
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@Funsizescot1975 @HebrideanHecate @LangCleg and now we have SNP activists (and leader!?) pulling the same shit on Alba supporters and members.Scotland needs a new left, but possibly also a new right - I can't see Ballantyne and her Reform party getting in, but....I feel so sorry for England's voters. I'm not feeling too great about Scotland right now either, turmoil is coming. But things have gone SO badly wrong. Lang do you think a new party has any chance in England? Where would ti come from?