Post A70TerQget5h7he68e by kriive@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #A6y7NtHTw1ASdQvIJc by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T09:40:33Z
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Jason over at @Linux4Everyone is doing some really great stuff; I love what he's building. If you're on Discord, I'd highly recommend you guys check out the L4E channel - lots of great conversation going on in there.https://discord.gg/PPwQWyybXZ
(DIR) Post #A6y7YkszUI3XmeeFiS by be@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T09:42:30Z
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@kev @Linux4Everyone I find it hard to take something called "Linux For Everyone" seriously which uses Discord...
(DIR) Post #A6y8Csi1ovc5d8ed3A by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T09:49:42Z
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@be that's your prerogative.@Linux4Everyone
(DIR) Post #A6y8bQEuo4fgZajryi by lord@pleroma.lord.re
2021-05-06T09:46:13.325953Z
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@be @kev @Linux4Everyone It’s not like there isn’t many many different libre protocols and implementations for chats closer to “linux’s spirit” existing.
(DIR) Post #A6y8bQjkxPLE7FAV3A by be@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T09:46:46Z
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@lord @Linux4Everyone @kev Linux For Everyone except people who don't want to use proprietary software? 🙃
(DIR) Post #A6y8bRDBC0sRaUvzua by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T09:54:16Z
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@be @lord this utilitarian approach is exactly what's wrong with the Linux community IMO. It's not a binary black or white. You can be a Linux/open source advocate, but still be pragmatic with it.IMO there's nothing wrong with using a proprietary tool if it's significantly better than the open alternative, or if one doesn't exist.Note: I don't know if Discord is better, but that's what Jason feels is best for his community. If you don't like it, don't join...@Linux4Everyone
(DIR) Post #A6y8hFr0Kidg6GKsy0 by be@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T09:55:06Z
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@kev @lord @Linux4Everyone That argument holds no water when there are alternatives that do the job well.
(DIR) Post #A6y8kFtadPE168yZou by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T09:55:35Z
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@be let me flip that on it's head - what if by using platforms like Discord and YouTube, L4E is able to reach a wider audience and entice new people into the open source space?That's a win for open source in my book. @lord @Linux4Everyone
(DIR) Post #A6y8mBSS6YorujCbBI by be@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T09:56:13Z
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@kev @lord @Linux4Everyone I disagree. It is no win to have more Linux users on Discord.
(DIR) Post #A6y8riEpeijH1oT44W by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T09:57:08Z
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@be well then, I hope you're happy in your elitist echo chamber... @lord @Linux4Everyone
(DIR) Post #A6y9CW0wIe6zCHtBVw by be@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T10:00:47Z
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@kev @lord @Linux4Everyone They're the ones creating an echo chamber by alienating people using proprietary software. I'm not criticizing the users engaging with them on Discord. I'm criticizing the institution which pressures users to use Discord.
(DIR) Post #A6yeTdG5iQp5AQcO2q by danielfgom@mastodon.social
2021-05-06T15:51:26Z
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@kev @Linux4Everyone Thanks for the invitation. I've used it to sign up for Discord and joined.the l4e community..👍😁
(DIR) Post #A70TerQget5h7he68e by kriive@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T19:34:25Z
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@be @kev @lord @Linux4Everyone I enjoy using Discord! I also use Fedora Linux as my daily driver, as well as Matrix, Google services, Windows, and the like. I deeply believe in open source, but the world isn't black and white, at least for me going proprietary SW only or opensource SW only isn't viable. I need a compromise. A bit of this and a bit of that. I known for a fact that platforms like Discord are familiar and appealing to newcomers. No need to be elitist and/or closed-minded.
(DIR) Post #A70ToinVbfOLFQ1S2S by Linux4Everyone@fosstodon.org
2021-05-07T13:01:04Z
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@danielfgom @kev You're the laptop, Kev.
(DIR) Post #A70U4LpokW08fBYTfU by cirno@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T10:10:08Z
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@be "The institution which pressures users to use Discord" being Linux 4 Everyone who decided to make a Discord server, or some upper entity which makes Discord an enticing platform?
(DIR) Post #A70U4MBnQna9lLq1vU by be@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T10:10:20Z
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@cirno both
(DIR) Post #A70U4MZtzArey77HV2 by nurinoas@social.tchncs.de
2021-05-06T10:18:28Z
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@bePeople, please chill.@Linux4Everyone has also a #matrix room!I do not have the link at hand, but surely easy to find.@cirno
(DIR) Post #A70U4Mwacp0q6TjOrY by be@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T10:24:29Z
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@nurinoas @Linux4Everyone @cirno I don't see a Matrix room on https://www.linux4everyone.com/social although there is Telegram (which has a proprietary server).
(DIR) Post #A70U4NHVN3k79LW6Sm by Linux4Everyone@fosstodon.org
2021-05-07T13:04:20Z
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@be @nurinoas @cirno Thanks for spotting that! it's relatively new, and I haven't updated the podcast site pages because we're building a brand new website to house everything. But good catch, I'll update it now.
(DIR) Post #A70UF50ndWuvfoo8bw by nurinoas@social.tchncs.de
2021-05-06T10:28:06Z
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@behttps://matrix.to/#/#Linux4Everyone:matrix.org@Linux4Everyone @cirno
(DIR) Post #A70UF5R23ztuzB55V2 by be@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T10:32:32Z
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@nurinoas @Linux4Everyone @cirno Well then I guess the criticism here is more at @kev for promoting Discord.
(DIR) Post #A70UF5rcT9AUJdWJwO by nurinoas@social.tchncs.de
2021-05-06T10:49:05Z
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@beMaybe @Linux4Everyone could mention their exemplary bridging more prominently because they''re settings an example & show what open protocols can actually do.I also reckon that @killyourfm seem to have a lot of joy with #videogaming#discord seems where gamers traditionally hang out.@Linux4Everyone @cirno @kev
(DIR) Post #A70UF6L2hkhhmtHono by Linux4Everyone@fosstodon.org
2021-05-07T13:06:16Z
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@nurinoas @be @killyourfm @cirno @kev Avri Roth set this up, and I'd love for him to discuss it in depth. Not sure how he did it but it's a nice, elegant integration I think! (He's not here but he is on Twitter at https://twitter.com/posh4linux)
(DIR) Post #A70UF70sCEAFscrE0G by be@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T10:41:42Z
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@nurinoas @Linux4Everyone @cirno @kev and also they should list the Matrix room on their website
(DIR) Post #A70UF7X8GHy7UfwzHk by nurinoas@social.tchncs.de
2021-05-06T11:19:06Z
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@be @Linux4Everyone @killyourfm @cirno @kevHere people are talking about this right now https://matrix.to/#/!igMmwMmAqIbUQxVyBy:matrix.org/$8nrvUCL8JdKtLoTDGS36llq5v_-QAXerhBEf1htvK3U
(DIR) Post #A70UMc96qM30SpHrto by Linux4Everyone@fosstodon.org
2021-05-07T13:07:39Z
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@be @nurinoas @cirno @kev Thanks for the comment. I'm actively promoting it on our various channels, podcasts and platforms. BUT I forgot to update it on the website.
(DIR) Post #A70UY05e9ylpuX64WG by Linux4Everyone@fosstodon.org
2021-05-07T13:09:42Z
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@be @kev I find it hard to take anyone with this kind of elitist attitude and preference for gatekeeping seriously. Do you know how many people have been introduced to Linux itself, or amazing FOSS projects, inside our Discord server? You do you. We'll leave the door open for EVERYONE.
(DIR) Post #A70UinuTmlwLJv1c8G by cirno@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T09:52:16Z
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@be With that mindset you don't need convincing to use Linux. Judging from the name, the kind of people L4E might be trying to reach are precisely the people you might find on Discord and other proprietary platforms.
(DIR) Post #A70UioL4BvCueNSqZc by be@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T09:53:22Z
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@cirno So what? How is encouraging them to use Discord more helping anything?
(DIR) Post #A70Uiokaf1cjvXPEMC by cirno@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T09:57:00Z
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@be How it is encouraging them to use it more? It's just a medium of transmission, it's like complaining about privacy advocates posting videos to YouTube. The people they want to reach use these services already. Also, privacy is not a zero-sum game, some compromises often have to be made. If the information is good, even if it's spread through "bad means" its effects are still net positive
(DIR) Post #A70Uip7zG2L566LupE by be@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T09:58:46Z
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@cirno one step forward and two steps back is a net of one step back
(DIR) Post #A70UipYDgVK4PScriK by cirno@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T10:00:54Z
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@be So using a proprietary service is so horrible in your opinion, huh...I suggest you think about what that attitude of yours looks like from the perspective of an outsider and newcomer to the FOSS community. You might find your "two steps back" there.
(DIR) Post #A70Uiq1dv6rHsiOMZk by Linux4Everyone@fosstodon.org
2021-05-07T13:11:39Z
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@cirno @be You nailed it Cirno. People with this kind of repellant attitude do so much more harm than good, when it comes to welcoming people into the Linux world.
(DIR) Post #A70VUrDGoA2ZSrjBVg by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-05-07T13:20:09Z
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@Linux4Everyone hahahaha this actually made me LOL. 😂 @danielfgom
(DIR) Post #A70W5m9AbfqQT0PjPc by cirno@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T10:11:15Z
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@be What alternatives are you thinking of, here?
(DIR) Post #A70W5mZ33SXplGWOkS by be@fosstodon.org
2021-05-06T10:12:00Z
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@cirno There are tons. Zulip, Matrix, RocketChat, Jitsi, BigBlueButton...
(DIR) Post #A70W5myDXsg51KIUym by Linux4Everyone@fosstodon.org
2021-05-07T13:27:00Z
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@be @cirno Those alternatives you mentioned... they all support things like custom emoji, voice channels that support hundreds of people, multiple server channels for topic-based discussion, each with flexibile permission structures? Because I don't think any of them do.
(DIR) Post #A70WI0pvogRLV8FaIi by Coneng@fosstodon.org
2021-05-07T13:24:52Z
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@kriive @be @kev @lord @Linux4Everyone The whole concept is not about open source, it is about freedom and the user being in control of the software. Nothing to do with being closed minded or being an elitist. When someone compromise they will compromise on security, privacy and freedom. #fsf
(DIR) Post #A70WI1DgONRGgnMYK0 by Linux4Everyone@fosstodon.org
2021-05-07T13:29:14Z
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@Coneng @kriive @be @kev @lord But it IS also about elitism and gatekeeping. See, @be dismissed Linux For Everyone out of hand just because we use Discord. Maybe they don't know that I also introduced literally millions of people to Linux at Forbes, or that hundreds have made the switch because of my videos on another proprietary platform, YouTube. Or that, in general, it's just a great community! Nope. None of that matters because we aren't 100% FOSS.....
(DIR) Post #A70jhXFfjXVyg8n5ua by be@fosstodon.org
2021-05-07T15:59:24Z
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@Linux4Everyone @cirno Zulip supports those except for voice channels.