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(DIR) Post #A5T7SeNCvpj89HoSRc by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T12:54:52Z
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Lot's of people talking about the controversy surround #Stallman and the #FSF. I don't really care about that - so here's my thoughts in a longer form:https://kevq.uk/my-thoughts-on-richard-stallmans-return-to-the-fsf-board/
(DIR) Post #A5T9Dc0ReNoeN77fvs by Algot@mastodon.art
2021-03-22T13:14:33Z
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@kev I'm going to suspect that it was Stallman's lack of personal video editing skills...though I cannot say what his skill level is.It is pretty clear from the Libreplanet conference (just fininshed) that video skills are *definitely* part of the FSF skill set.
(DIR) Post #A5T9a6v1OnMWcGJXea by bpepple@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T13:18:23Z
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@kev Really? You have a problem that Stallman doesn't have experience creating a video? Tons of folks have never done that. And really, I'm guessing they had more trouble find software that was actually free software and not closed (like Zoom and it's ilk).
(DIR) Post #A5TA46LC6zspVlrC2i by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T13:24:05Z
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@bpepple re-read the quote. He said "we" multiple times. The inference being that it's an FSF issue, not a Stallman one.This was just a single example of the many issues that the FSF has with its Jurassic reputation.The point isn't that Stallman et al can't edit a video. The point is that the FSF needs updating and having Stallman back isn't the way to do that.
(DIR) Post #A5TA5aICEo9Mh7A68u by starbreaker@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T13:24:09Z
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@kev I've never created a video either, because I have a face made for radio and a voice made for print. I suppose I can't function on the modern web either.
(DIR) Post #A5TA6wRfMNdVgoEqZ6 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T13:24:27Z
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@Algot https://fosstodon.org/@kev/105933664798110594
(DIR) Post #A5TAWf1wjLmfCvTKPw by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T13:29:14Z
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@starbreaker Jesus Christ. Why do techies always take things so literal?This isn't about Stallman's or the FSF's ability to edit a video. I don't know how people can't see that...It's about the fact that they couldn't get their shit together enough to put out a simple video. The reputation the FSF has of being a bunch of grey-beards is what needs to change if they want to continue to have an impact...nothing to do with video editing. That was just an example.
(DIR) Post #A5TAkfHCc1jo1bHlho by starbreaker@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T13:31:46Z
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@kev TBH, I'm still trying to figure out whether being obnoxiously literal is a prerequisite for being a techie or an occupational hazard.
(DIR) Post #A5TAnIX7cyK8MAzHeK by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T13:32:16Z
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@starbreaker hahaha. Probably a bit of both. 🙂
(DIR) Post #A5TD4pHbJmrMl8DIES by bpepple@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T13:57:49Z
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@kev I don't think your point really hold up as an example (especially since it reeks of ageism more than anything else).Anyway, I do tend to agree that having Richard back might not be best for the FSF's future growth.
(DIR) Post #A5TDXUaVLCqKyLiyuG by mattrose@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T14:02:57Z
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@kev > it’s going to be nothing more than a group of neck-beards discussing how evil proprietary software is.It's already that. It did some influential things 30 to 35 years ago, but The FSF as an organization became irrelevant a long time ago. I love Free Software but I actively don't like the FSF.
(DIR) Post #A5TEulmhfb2mvD5sRM by jase@social.x220.co.uk
2021-03-22T14:01:08.042850Z
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@kevMy theory is the FSF members got distracted during an online conversation about operating systems when someone forgot to add GNU to Linux, this caused them all to interject and when they finally finished, there was neither the battery life in their loongson laptops or time enough to render a video on them, I might be wrong tho@starbreaker
(DIR) Post #A5TFZFfjy2s9CT8l3w by xpil@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T14:25:42Z
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@kev "I don't really care about that - so here's my thoughts in a longer form" is going to become my new motto :D
(DIR) Post #A5TGN1I1iPYD4ZmOXo by ryo@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T14:34:42Z
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@kev You know, I think that "neck-bearded dinosaur" is exactly what the FSF needs at the moment. Hipster-like approach didn't help much last year, and it seems there is no directions at all. Well that's just me, seeing it more from a user standpoint.And for the video, well, seems like a lot of FSF folks are not good in making videos. Understandable, because seriously, if you don't want to put it on YouTube or FB, (almost) nobody cares besides FSF-fans. And we want to read text anyway. 😊
(DIR) Post #A5TGwpQHJVEih2iKcS by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T14:41:12Z
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@bpepple yes, it's ageist, but it doesn't make it any less valid. Fact of the matter is, the FSF has the reputation being a group of jaded old men. Now that's very unlikely to be true, but it's the perception nevertheless.We will have to agree to disagree on this one...
(DIR) Post #A5TGycNGnZmgnr9zqC by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T14:41:35Z
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@Jase @starbreaker 😂 😂 😂
(DIR) Post #A5TH69ISnAQGwBVFgW by ryo@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T14:42:55Z
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@kev Oh and, I think it's not okay to blame someone neither for a beard nor for the age.
(DIR) Post #A5TH9OYMWdZT7hUHs8 by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T14:43:29Z
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@xpil I don't care about Stallman or the controversies surrounding him. No one wants to hear my personal opinions on the man, trust me. Plus, they're not relevant to this conversation. 🙂 I do care about the FSF though - I think they do some good. They just need to re-focus and get our from under RMS. IMO.
(DIR) Post #A5TKEnnaOFucjOsVea by dvavasour@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T15:17:43Z
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@kev About 25 years ago I travelled to London to hear Stallman speak. He was a bit of an objectionable t**t then, and most people's innate t**tery amplifies over time.However, he's an important figure in the history of computing, and the FSF has done much more good than harm. But today's introspective bickering over nuance is reminiscent of the British left in the 1980s.
(DIR) Post #A5TVTD5CHS18hMBk4e by markosaric@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T17:23:49Z
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@kev i got an email from RMS asking about analytics couple of weeks ago and now the comment about making videos today... i do hope this means that they will be more open to trying new things and refreshing the whole way of communicating as an organization i think it's necessary in order to move things forward and become more relevant to a wider audience 🤞
(DIR) Post #A5TYMSd8NRJWkkXGLI by downey@floss.social
2021-03-22T17:56:19Z
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@kev @starbreaker He didn't even offer to make a USENET post.
(DIR) Post #A5TZ58yAK21So7gAhE by kev@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T18:04:23Z
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@markosaric that’s awesome. Having the FSF would be a huge win for Plausible!
(DIR) Post #A5TabfEQ0Wvu5ULtbM by wago@zap.dog
2021-03-22T18:21:17Z
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The pres is a friend so I won't sling mud at the fsf. Although he says some koo-koo stuff IMHO, the world would be bleak without Stallman's work.
(DIR) Post #A5TozneRklAwVdvhOy by splitcells@fosstodon.org
2021-03-22T21:01:54Z
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@kev Regarding staying relevant:Somehow this reminds me of the time, when I tried to compile Sway 5 times.I got it 2 times compiledand only one of them worked.Why? Dependency Hell ... the easiest way to convince me from staying away from Linux development. (Also I am looking at it from time to time.)
(DIR) Post #A5UbttNfTY9W5QBQpM by danielfgom@mastodon.social
2021-03-23T06:10:37Z
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@kev I couldn't agree more. The message of the FSF is important but honestly I don't think they actually do anything over there. Secondly Richard Stallman is simply not a good man. We've all been that multiple times. He's really not a good representative for that message. Personally in this world, the FSF and Stallman are completely irrelevant and have contributed nothing to tech or Linux in the past few decades. I suggest they shut it down and go retire already.
(DIR) Post #A5Uc1QijuvUVW0dM0W by danielfgom@mastodon.social
2021-03-23T06:12:06Z
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@kev I couldn't agree more. The message of the FSF is important but honestly I don't think they actually do anything over there. Secondly Richard Stallman is simply not a good man. We've all seen that multiple times. He's really not a good representative for that message. Personally in this world, the FSF and Stallman are completely irrelevant and have contributed nothing to tech or Linux in the past few decades. I suggest they shut it down and go retire already.