Post A3wQFKSWuLvs2tDn1s by shellkr@mstdn.io
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(DIR) Post #A3gIZM4mKnmz5xFT2u by woozle@toot.cat
2021-01-28T01:38:14Z
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Some people claim that instance-blocking weakens the fediverse, and undermines the point of federation.This is the opposite of the truth.The point of federation is that it limits the accumulation of power: no single instance can control fedi, because users can always switch instances without leaving fedi.This is why fedi and fascism are fundamentally opposed -- and why the ability to block fascist/abusive instances is the very heart of federation's power to serve its users.
(DIR) Post #A3hwEo7n2v2PKUNFK4 by earfethe@kolektiva.social
2021-01-28T01:46:07Z
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@woozle The problem is that a lot of the people doing the blocking are uncritically pulling from a single blocklist which isn't even very good.
(DIR) Post #A3hwEoWbYet4ZRz408 by faoluin@chitter.xyz
2021-01-28T01:48:07Z
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@earfethe @woozle The people deciding who to block are not always in alignment with users who experience the effects of having their social networks torn assunder. Because, in fact, not everyone on those blocklists are fascists.
(DIR) Post #A3hwEovQ4OjjoPasgC by woozle@toot.cat
2021-01-28T01:49:44Z
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@faoluin @earfethe That matches my point, though: if you don't like the policies your instance follows, you can find another one whose policies you like/trust better.
(DIR) Post #A3hydHmUdS2wALDEEy by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2021-01-28T21:11:24.609769Z
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@woozle yes but it would be less fascist to allow your users to block based on their own autonomy. When an admin blocks it takes away their users autonomy, the tools are there for a user to block if they so wish. I personally dont care what kind of instance some one wants or think its a huge political statement to choose one type over the other. You wanna block every one you feel is using wrongspeak for your users go ahead, dont care that much.
(DIR) Post #A3iaYofmiIWAzKN1hg by shellkr@mstdn.io
2021-01-29T04:16:22Z
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@woozle You can not change opinions with blocking... opinions only change if they are debated and people are exposed to differences. Blocklists creates silos which divides the fediverse into different camps. Silos creates fundamentalism.If you are told the same untruth multiple times, you will eventually believe that it has some truth to it. Unless the untruthfulness is exposed.
(DIR) Post #A3iaitxntjIOICbk3s by worm@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-29T04:17:52.274288Z
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@shellkr @woozle > opinions only change if they are debated and people are exposed to differencesdebate doesn't change opinions, emotional conditioning changes opinions, champ.
(DIR) Post #A3itMK2Ih1kZcjeqdk by Mopsi@photog.social
2021-01-29T07:47:01Z
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@shellkrYou cannot tolerate the intolerant. Hate speech and fear mongering are abusing democratic discourse ajd must be excluded from it.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance?wprov=sfla1Well I am assuming here, that instances are blocked for these kinds of reasons. If that's wrong, I am sorry.@woozle
(DIR) Post #A3josjbQrohjZTgcdM by shellkr@mstdn.io
2021-01-29T18:31:36Z
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@Mopsi @woozle Do you have any real world research? Anyone can make a philosophical argument on anything.People can change and do change all the time. It is not about sanctioning their views.. but correcting them. So it is not about tolerance.Racism is a response of being afraid. Being scared of the unfamiliar. About belonging. Blocking will only make their resolve stronger.So I would say.. blocklists is to take the ignorant route. Burying the head in the sand.
(DIR) Post #A3jrGSoD9q2mLP6edk by Mopsi@photog.social
2021-01-29T18:58:16Z
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@shellkrBlocking hate speech is not the fight for winning those on the other side back. It is the fight against losing more people to them.I do not have research unfortunately, but an example. The german extreme right party AfD was rising and rising through the refugee crisis because they kept inciting fear of strangers in the population. Inviting them into talk shows only made things worse, because it provided them with the means to reach even more people. 1/x@woozle
(DIR) Post #A3jrqVB9p5no7V1WYy by woozle@toot.cat
2021-01-29T19:04:48Z
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@shellkr Changing opinions isn't the point, at all.There are some people you just can't reach. Freeze peachers and Trump followers are two examples that come to mind.
(DIR) Post #A3jxGkE8zq785hkm0W by shellkr@mstdn.io
2021-01-29T20:05:34Z
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@woozle Yes, fundamentalist and fact-avoiders are difficult... but not impossible. Many dropout cultists are proof of that. Also.. the scale are never black and white.. it is more a gray one.
(DIR) Post #A3jypzvAjprIr3Flbs by Mopsi@photog.social
2021-01-29T18:59:41Z
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@shellkr @woozleRecently their popularity has been declining. And it is largely due to the fact that nobody cares about refugees anymore. Nobody is talking about the AfD's topics anymore.
(DIR) Post #A3jyq0VgY548gIKvWS by Mopsi@photog.social
2021-01-29T19:05:57Z
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@shellkr @woozleI agree that people who are afraid cannot be won back by punishing them for their fear. But easing their fear is extremely hard. And more importantly, not everybody inciting fear does that purely because they are afraid themselves. If you look at the politicians in the AfD, they are clearly using fear for their personal gain.
(DIR) Post #A3jyq0vYzrlXyYRarI by Mopsi@photog.social
2021-01-29T19:06:04Z
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@shellkr @woozleA major politician in the AfD is a homosexual woman who lives in a relationship with another woman with children. This woman is fighting to limit the rights of homosexuals, because it's what here clientele likes. No amount of rational argument will convince her out of her positions, because she knows fully what she is doing.
(DIR) Post #A3jyq1KNVbcDDW3PXM by shellkr@mstdn.io
2021-01-29T20:23:04Z
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@Mopsi @woozle The reason the AfD support is declining is because there is less refugees. So they are not really blocked... And yes, some are more difficult but no one is impossible. Some needs years and years before they turn. Some may have psychological damage that need treatment e.t.c..
(DIR) Post #A3k0U6vmCB6y8HE90y by woozle@toot.cat
2021-01-29T20:41:35Z
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@shellkr Point being, some people don't want to deal with truth-deniers, much less evangelists for anti-truth -- but "free speech" instances tend to consider such speech acceptable as long as it is "civil".
(DIR) Post #A3k0YgweEoYYzDoqno by woozle@toot.cat
2021-01-29T20:42:25Z
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@shellkr Point being, some people don't want to deal with truth-deniers, much less evangelists for anti-truth, or see such nonsense popping up in their timeline or community spaces -- but "free speech" instances tend to consider such speech acceptable as long as it is "civil".
(DIR) Post #A3l0BpZOCPK2EY00XY by shellkr@mstdn.io
2021-01-30T08:13:01Z
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@woozle If you are not following anyone with such views.. it is very unlikely you will see anything like that in your feed. You have also ability to individually block someone.Also.. if you are on the internet you will have to be prepared to be emotional. You will meet people who you do not agree with. You will be much better off learning how to handle it...
(DIR) Post #A3lUTv3xVnyn6iq5ke by woozle@toot.cat
2021-01-30T13:52:24Z
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@shellkr I've heard these arguments before, and they're... circular and empty.I personally have no objection to dealing with counterfactualists and other forms of subtle uncivility. I often find it energizing.However, as the owner of an instance that has been specifically created as a safe space, I am aware that many of my users are not prepared to deal with these things, and they don't wish to engage with those folks but nonetheless may find themselves caught up in the backwash from those discussions (from others who are willing to engage) -- and I firmly believe that they deserve to be able to interact freely within a social media space without having to deal with content they may find triggering. To insist that they "love it or leave it" would be, in effect, silencing them.This is where much "free speech" advocacy reveals its hypocrisy: allowing loud dominating voices to speak without restraint inevitably silences others -- but free speech advocates never seem to care about that, somehow.Furthermore, by allowing counterfactual speech to propagate into my spaces, I am enlarging its platform -- and I cannot imagine why I'd want to do that.Note that this does not apply to mere "controversial opinions": there is a difference between {suggesting that a conventional view is in some way wrong} and {acting as if it is obviously wrong and anyone who believes it is part of the conspiracy} (often accompanied by abuse of various degrees of subtlety). The former is welcome. The latter is not, and spaces which support folks who do it will be blocked.
(DIR) Post #A3lYVYkdpvHgIyqDWi by Orakel@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-30T14:37:11.031253Z
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@woozle @shellkr People are really only ever arguing with themselves, and looking for information.
(DIR) Post #A3lawlUql275YqYTzM by HonkifyYourself@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-30T15:04:30.637205Z
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@woozle @shellkr > allowing loud dominating voices to speak without restraint inevitably silences others -- but free speech advocates never seem to care about that, somehow.I am curious, how do the loud dominating voices silence the other voices? Is it because the volume of their postings dwarfs that of the others’ postings? Do the others go silent because they’re intimidated and possibly triggered by the dominating ones? Is the inevitability the fault of the dominating ones or the silenced ones? I encounter this all the time irl—I was born lippy and opinionated. Almost all women, and a surprising # of men, are intimidated and feel their ability to speak up is diminished by my extreme ease in speaking up. Sort of like there’s a finite amount of expression, and I’ve bogarted more than I was entitled to. I know this because they have told me. But I’ve never understood the precise mechanism whereby me lipping off prevents others from lipping off. Funnily enough, I never do this online—I hate the automatic, reflexive hostility one encounters when conversing with strangers. I save my assholery for in-person events. I should totally reverse that probably.
(DIR) Post #A3lc6cCSHFTxZtDCKG by Orakel@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-30T15:17:29.750035Z
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@HonkifyYourself @woozle @shellkr I think it's a noble thing to want to protect the weak from those who would abuse them. Protectors often become abusers though, because those who need protectors also draw abuse to them.It's a weird dynamic, and one shouldn't be a protector without also knowing people have to grow their own strength, and that can't be done without adversity.Protectors often become abusers themselves, because abuse victims somehow desire abuse, because they need strength, and protectors constantly need to become stronger, and expect something in return. I only offer it occasionally, and go my own way afterwards. People have to learn to protect themselves.
(DIR) Post #A3lc7cuZ7Lbc4eKIgi by INSTALLGENTOO@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-30T15:17:40.717057Z
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@HonkifyYourself @woozle @shellkr Have you ever had a conversation with your mother and she won't let you have a say and keeps cutting you off to the point you just give up speaking. It's like that. In public spaces there is only two mediums that messages can propagate and only one that can be transferred by all in a 360 degree space. Light and sound. In the medium of the internet you tend to be confined to individual mediums, for example this fediverse instance has one medium that is your followers timeline, the other medium that is the instance timeline and another that is tag timeline and finally the whole network. It gets progressively drowned out by other voices, only this time unlike in real life you can get a say in and no one can cut you off. It's limited to human time attention span so only the most autistic are the ones listening to most of the things one may say, or those inclined to follow you. There's a problem in that there isn't a good enough sorting algorithm to sort out all the noise. But that has the benefit of picking up a couple of posts that any algorithm could miss, which is why I'm speaking to you right now.
(DIR) Post #A3lcsPJfTuoZWINIR6 by HonkifyYourself@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-30T15:26:07.986647Z
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@INSTALLGENTOO My own personal mother was the first such intimidated woman in my life, and she always resented me for being able to speak my mind. My parents beat me like a rented mule for my outspokenness. I should have learned from this, but I didn’t. Instead my resolve hardened.But I have had conversations with such dominating persons, and there are certainly plenty of them on the internet. I just get bored and go away, though, I don’t try to get them punished, silenced, and cancelled.
(DIR) Post #A3lcyPZ7T4D61wStAO by HonkifyYourself@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-30T15:27:13.094043Z
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@Orakel @shellkr @woozle you are one smart lady
(DIR) Post #A3ld3E3DhpM1laq8SO by Orakel@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-30T15:28:05.296344Z
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@HonkifyYourself @shellkr @woozle Back at you, ma'am. =)
(DIR) Post #A3ldhkA9jZUMwXP91M by INSTALLGENTOO@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-30T15:35:24.654505Z
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@HonkifyYourself Another example of explaining this conundrum. If one wants to speak to a audience at a conference, a rally, etc. and wish to get a message or statement across but a third party barges in with megaphones and start spouting their own message preventing you from completing your speech. it's preventing a message from reaching its intended designation by flooding it with messages that are contrary or irrelevant.Search engine algorithms that intentionally put some links to the bottom of a quarry or somewhere where it takes forever to find is another example.
(DIR) Post #A3ldrvf9peDTVPlJRo by Simpadoo@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-30T15:37:15.102165Z
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@INSTALLGENTOO @HonkifyYourself @shellkr @woozle No.My mother knew her place.
(DIR) Post #A3ljKsqnrlHEx7pqiG by HonkifyYourself@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-30T16:38:30.580739Z
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@INSTALLGENTOO I certainly understand why someone would want to hang out in an instance where you wouldn’t encounter a bunch of stuff you don’t want to hear. Even if it means wholesale blocking of freeze peach. Perhaps the problem is caused by a feeling one is entitled to be heard, and that one’s own opinions are very important. In that case, anything that prevents or overrides the dissemination of one’s views is an affront. The solution to this hypothetical problem would be to not take oneself seriously. To maybe even have some humility about the value and originality of one’s thoughts. I dunno. Bc of my obnoxious personality I’ve had to take a lot of (figurative) punches to the face, suck it up, and move on. PLENTY of social exclusion too. I’m not committed to freeze peach as an abstract principle bc it’s not grounded in any kind of traditional virtue. I definitely don’t conflate my opinion with eternal truth.
(DIR) Post #A3ljohivngcj89NAeG by HonkifyYourself@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-30T16:43:53.942362Z
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@Simpadoo Feminism is pretty much entirely women knowing their place and resenting it.
(DIR) Post #A3mACT9SEF2vh4lshM by shellkr@mstdn.io
2021-01-30T21:39:55Z
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@woozle Just because you have heard them before doesn't make them any less true.Learning how to deal with this is to block an individual when necessary or lock your own account. An instance block takes that away and is both a blunt tool and a collective punishment.Also... you sit in front of a computer. It is a safe place. The best strategy is to learn how to handle your triggers. Everyone can do this. Doing so will also improve your IRL.(I work professionally in psychological care.)
(DIR) Post #A3mCPaWQKvZ6E3tlEe by Simpadoo@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-30T22:04:18.330050Z
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@HonkifyYourself Kinda. Marxist women do talk back though.
(DIR) Post #A3mEkKNrjSugAEudnc by woozle@toot.cat
2021-01-30T22:30:50Z
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@shellkr I'm afraid I have to say there seems to be a lot you don't understand about trauma and psychological safety. Have you done much research on these topics?Just to reiterate a point which may have gotten lost in the threadtangle: this isn't about me. I enjoy a certain amount of sparring with right-wing jerks. I can deal with personal attacks. I had 30k+ followers on G+, when it went down, and dealt with RWAs routinely there. The safe space is for my users -- the guests in my living room -- not for myself.
(DIR) Post #A3n4ZHCsOs3kk0p9Tk by MilquetoastQT@freespeechextremist.com
2021-01-31T08:11:07.655153Z
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@HonkifyYourself @Simpadoo "Feminism is a shit-test writ large." - Rollo ToassiThe solution to feminism is more masculine men. No soy and no faggots.Gays are quitters of the sexual marketplace.
(DIR) Post #A3nC3znbs11rPPbJqK by shellkr@mstdn.io
2021-01-31T09:35:30Z
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@woozle I do.. I work with schizophrenia, autism, asperger e.t.c.. every day. You are right.. some are not ready but they should not be on the internet at all. A common problem is people (usually mothers) who want to help actually make habilitation harder as they take away functions that need to be trained.I know you want to help.. I do too and often fall into that "trap". But blocking instances that do not block instances is not the right way.
(DIR) Post #A3nX3SZPVrqpO8Xqvg by woozle@toot.cat
2021-01-31T13:30:43Z
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@shellkr You didn't answer my question. Have you done much research into these areas (trauma and safety)? What have you read about them? What sources?My experience directly contradicts your conclusions. You can't heal a trauma by repeated exposure, for one thing.The fact that you don't seem to be listening to my arguments and experience makes me wonder if you apply that same methodology to your practice.
(DIR) Post #A3oLBC0RyayE2c4c7s by shellkr@mstdn.io
2021-01-31T22:52:23Z
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@woozle Of course I have. You have to evaluate everything individually and as I said.. some shouldn't even be on the Internet and absolutely not on Mastodon. What is your experience? Have worked with this professionally? Have you habilitated anyone? What is your real world experience?I am lazy and there are much sources on this.. here is one.. https://www.verywellmind.com/exposure-therapy-for-ptsd-2797654
(DIR) Post #A3vzNYXtMEefh4swNM by Hyolobrika@counter.fedi.live
2021-02-04T15:25:54.175482Z
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@INSTALLGENTOO @HonkifyYourself @Orakel She can't hear y'all. It seems that toot.cat blocks freespeechextremist.com . I suggest making new accounts on a different server to make your voice heard (so long as y'all aren't saying anything she won't like, like racism or sexism).
(DIR) Post #A3w5euvzy9VHmNp3QG by Orakel@freespeechextremist.com
2021-02-04T16:35:45.229906Z
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@Hyolobrika @INSTALLGENTOO @HonkifyYourself I'm mostly talking to myself anyways. I'm not interested in conversing with people who police other people's speech.I graduated from school. Words can't hurt me.
(DIR) Post #A3w9RyeXEV9NMbjta4 by woozle@toot.cat
2021-02-04T17:18:44Z
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@shellkr You wouldn't want to engage in such exposure without the individual in question being under the care of a therapist, though, would you? It's not just "make them face their fears continuously and without support"; it's a process.I haven't worked in therapy professionally, but I've got a lot of personal experience dealing with traumatized individuals (some in therapy, some not; I always recommend therapy, but a lot of people don't have that option) -- and I do know that throwing people in the deep end of the pool rarely works well.The fact that I'm not a therapist is exactly why I'm not qualified to subject my users to exposure therapy -- especially without their consent.Also, regarding "some are not ready but they should not be on the internet at all." -- the internet is not a monoculture, and has not been for decades. There is plenty of room for spaces with varying levels of supportiveness.TC is a supportive safe space. That involves keeping out those who cannot behave supportively or at least neutrally.
(DIR) Post #A3wQDJQ3nqgUF26YKG by shellkr@mstdn.io
2021-02-04T20:26:36Z
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@woozle Yes, having a therapist is preferable but it also depends. Most of the work they have to do themselves and by their own and then talk about it with a therapist if they need.My experience is that we tend to be too overprotective. I have also seen this done by personnel which is dangerous and removes functionality. Like putting an elderly, who can walk, in a wheelchair because it is easy. They will never get off that. Similarly when you let a depressed isolate themselves.(1/2)
(DIR) Post #A3wQFKSWuLvs2tDn1s by shellkr@mstdn.io
2021-02-04T20:26:58Z
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@woozle The road way back is testing and hard but pays of in the end. Also.. Mastodon let you do this on an individual basis. Which is much better and on a more granular level. We may have to agree to disagree. My view is that it is dangerous to block on an instance level as it creates silos. It will also not protect as some will fall between the cracks. It is too blunt.(2/2)
(DIR) Post #A3wQYSA6UdtTRBioy0 by shellkr@mstdn.io
2021-02-04T20:30:25Z
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@woozle Also.. thank you for your voluntary work! We live in a world that is cruel and hard. People need help. Someone to talk to. And you being there is very valuable. Thank you!
(DIR) Post #A3wpkrP0yOga34i2Uq by HonkifyYourself@freespeechextremist.com
2021-02-05T01:12:15.531381Z
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@Hyolobrika I’ve been tempted to make an account on spinster bc the reposts I’ve seen have been unbelievable. Like, there is no way this is a bunch of real women sincerely saying this over the top 70s feminist stuff. But probably they are all real, and (literally) deadly serious.
(DIR) Post #A40DzEMad7Zkl600Qq by Elizafox@mst3k.interlinked.me
2021-02-06T14:42:34Z
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@woozle this has a flip side: because nobody controls fedi, no one can stop it if other forms of the right choose to abuse the service, as has happened before.And it is possible to make blocking a difficult task due to the low bar to entry. I could think of ways to automate the creation of instances with docker, an API for a registrar (or abusing subdomains), and bots. This largely hasn't happened yet, but it is very possible and in fact not difficult to do with even the most rudimentary programming knowledge.
(DIR) Post #A40DzEpIuMXoC9QwBk by portpupper@social.sakamoto.gq
2021-02-06T16:28:30.464009Z
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@Elizafox @woozle Is 10-minute Pleroma still around?
(DIR) Post #AHjB64hbvSrYgtzP5U by dredmorbius@toot.cat
2021-01-28T14:03:21Z
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@woozle In theory email works on the same principle.In practice, around 2001, large email providers began deploying DUL blocks, (dial-up lists, todays' equivalent would be residential and probably commercial broadband), and unless you had a hosted server, or more likely, ran email through one of the major commercial services (Yahoo, MSN, later Google Gmail, etc.), your server would be blocked by default.Having to individually vet any of of billions of peers does not scale.The Fediverse is currently on the order of 10k nodes (8,227 per https://the-federation.info/), with Mastodon being 2,733 of those. That's a quantity a determined administrator can mostly cope with presuming something like a 1-5% Bad Actors ratio (10 - 50 nodes that a well-regulated site should block).At a million nodes, that's up to about 50,000 nodes that would likely need blocking, and you're gonna want to hire a team, or robot (or if you're lucky / smart: crowdsource effectively without bias or bad actors in the crowdsourcing pool).If we went all-in on "run your own node", we'd be looking at ~10 billion instances, with ~500 million that would be presumed block-worthy. That's a hell of a lot of overhead.In practice, that's unlikely to occur, though it does represent a plausible high-end case scenario for consideration.You can flip the question around to ask "how big can Mastodon scale feasibly" based on various scenarios of blocklists and administration. Effectively, a functioning network becomes a function of:How many sites an instance admin can effectively block without false positives or negatives. This includes use of assistance such as programmatic blocks or pooled / crowdsourced / subscribed blocklists.How many users per site.How many users in the Federation as a whole.More effective blocklist management means the ability to handle larger sets of nodes. More users per site means fewer nodes overall. More users overall means more nodes and a larger blocklist problem.You can assume any two of these and compute the third value, not as a predictive tool but to test out scenarios.If, say, tools exist that make managing 100k blocks viable, then the Fediverse could scale to about 2 million nodes. If each of those have 1,000 users, then the total served population could be as much as 2 billion. (All numbers are hauled freshly minted from /dev/ass)That's roughly 1,000x present activity levels (1.28 million users active past 6 months, 8,227 nodes, 4.24 million registered accounts).Whether or not a 100k blocklist is truly manageable is another question. ISTR that various Web adblock host/domain blocklists tend to weigh in at a few thousand domains.@faoluin @earfethe@kolektiva.social
(DIR) Post #AHjB65ITiOLyXFEqYK by woozle@toot.cat
2021-01-28T14:13:42Z
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@dredmorbius Right -- looking at the question from the other side, every instance maintaining its own block-list simply won't scale.It seems very likely to me that there are better solutions than even having a wide choice of hand-maintained lists (much less just blocking any instance that fails to meet some arbitrary technical requirement which can be used as a rough heuristic for untrustworthiness).Why not, for example, allow instance users to vote (continuously) on individual instance blocks?...and that's a fairly simple and obvious idea; many others, and combinations, are possible.@faoluin @earfethe@kolektiva.social
(DIR) Post #AHjB65mxt2jw3nVC4W by VictorVenema@bonn.social
2021-01-28T15:59:58Z
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@woozle On Twitter there used to be an app "blocktogether". Were a group of people had a common block list (you could individually unblock). I was on a list with a big account that attacked many trolls and that made my Twitter experience a lot better. That may also be something for Mastodon instances to block together with like-minded instances. @dredmorbius @faoluin @earfethe@kolektiva.social
(DIR) Post #AHjB66Ho2NPTbRvp8y by dredmorbius@toot.cat
2021-01-28T22:39:43Z
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@VictorVenema Shared, possibly biased and/or unvetted, and most critically, widely shared especially by celebrity Twitter accounts (not to be confused with Twitter-celebrity accounts) played a major role in the #WilW Twitter-Mastodon affair, August 2019:"Because Twitter does not make it easy to manage and reduce attacks and other bad acts, we have to rely on imperfect tools like shared blocklists, extensions that help us identify and block trolls and bots, and tools that do mass blockings of an account’s followers. I’ve said many times, it’s a blunt and messy } imperfect instrument. It’s a nuclear bomb where what’s really needed is a rapier, but we go to war with the tools we have."http://wilwheaton.net/2018/06/regarding-blocklists-trolls-twitters-systemic-inaction-against-abuse-and-the-responsibility-of-wielding-great-power/The list that WilW and other celebs used was also widely adopted by their followers, with both larger and smaller folowings.The upshot was that many people, abusers or not, whos livelihoods in large part depended on their Twitter reach found themselves effectively silenced online,with few avenues of appeal.Some doubtless deserved it. Some quite probably did not.The drama followed WilW to Mastodon, where a similar lack of abuse mitigations, and an exceptionally bone-headed admin (of my previous main instance, #MastodonCloud), amplified the attacks.Unsympathetic accounts of the episode from WilW's harassers for the other side's view:https://www.dailywire.com/news/actor-wil-wheaton-driven-social-media-fellow-emily-zanottihttps://bentcorner.com/wil-wheaton-twitter/Ad hoc user-compiled and shared blocklists have their own failure and abuse modes.@woozle @faoluin @earfethe@kolektiva.social