Post A2KsCURgNEe3EcrK40 by jamie@social.helios.red
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(DIR) Post #A2KbMu20P1JGGNED9U by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-12-18T16:38:45Z
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Am I the product here?https://kevq.uk/if-its-free-youre-the-product/
(DIR) Post #A2Kc4MnJL1sRvE51uK by sloth56@fosstodon.org
2020-12-18T16:46:39Z
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@kev I would say it's quite possible but you need to do more research. Look at their privacy policy, reviews from other tech/privacy sources, and FAQ or other resources they have on their site.
(DIR) Post #A2Kc7Vqa8XMKrq6tZw by spelk@linuxrocks.online
2020-12-18T16:47:27Z
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@kevNeocities.org are very good, ethical, with free accounts and their 'supporter' tier is 5$ per month.
(DIR) Post #A2KcEzViFOMmtTumTA by nathand@fosstodon.org
2020-12-18T16:49:18Z
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@kev I'm not sure it matters. No matter where you go, the host will always be able to gather demographic data, since it's hitting their servers. The only reasonably privacy-respecting method would be to self-host on gear you own, but that's got its own raft of downsides, and may not be possible to do at home without co-locating.
(DIR) Post #A2KdKgx8G15F1u1ROi by neildarlow@fosstodon.org
2020-12-18T17:01:33Z
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@kev Is it any different to using a free tier of a CDN supplier?If it allows you to do what you want, and doesn't impose barriers for what you might want to do in the future, then why not?I self-host a lot of stuff but it does bother me that if I were run over by a bus my family could never maintain my services.Perhaps letting a third party host stuff for you isn't a bad idea. If it's free just look for catches.
(DIR) Post #A2KeCUUmmybO22PuMq by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2020-12-18T17:11:20Z
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Poking around with VPS is fun and great experience. But I am not gonna tell you to replace an already fine working system. Instead I suggest you to try building and hosting your site on VPS under test.kevq.uk subdomain.If all goes fine and you want to make the switch, you should change DNS and update https certificate.If things go wrong, your site will be untouched.@kev
(DIR) Post #A2KiapLNKKqVSSsJQO by blueberry@fosstodon.org
2020-12-18T18:00:19Z
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@kev no, you are not. That quote is too general to apply to everything. For example, for basically all FOSS software, you are not the product
(DIR) Post #A2KmhWhLRu9hTPbKVc by binyamin@fosstodon.org
2020-12-18T18:46:37Z
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@kev Maybe, maybe not. If you don't trust people who do you favors, who will you trust?Also, refine your question. There's no explicit danger in "being a product", just like people don't literally die from old age. They're old, and therefore they fall down. If you're the product, therefore...
(DIR) Post #A2KpLLTimbMyASLMv2 by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-12-18T19:15:33Z
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@spelk yeah, but they don’t have the workflow with git, so I’d have to build then FTP every change.
(DIR) Post #A2Ks4ZXNYgSSi6kRH6 by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-12-18T19:45:47Z
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@nathand yeah true, but I’m concerned that this could be more prevalent on a free account (I have no idea if it is).
(DIR) Post #A2Ks7L7nbICCsa6RHc by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-12-18T19:46:31Z
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@neildarlow it’s no different than using a free CDN, but I wouldn’t do that. That’s why this makes me uncomfortable.
(DIR) Post #A2KsCURgNEe3EcrK40 by jamie@social.helios.red
2020-12-18T17:42:00.145220Z
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@kev I don’t think you are the product in this case. You’re just putting yourself at risk of disappointment later when they realise they can’t afford to subsidise the free users - and I’m not sure that even matters much with a static site. Easy enough to plonk it somewhere else.
(DIR) Post #A2KsCUf9Z9Q7uPA53o by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-12-18T19:47:49Z
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@jamie very true!
(DIR) Post #A2KsMCF4uMGDfrakzo by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-12-18T19:49:19Z
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@binyamin that’s a great point . Let be more specific then. My concern is that they’re a business; they exist to make money. If they’re not making money from my bank account, how are they making money from me?
(DIR) Post #A2KsOZOjmoKe4OF2xc by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-12-18T19:49:49Z
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@sloth56 definitely
(DIR) Post #A2KvBihMCEm70oVzsG by binyamin@fosstodon.org
2020-12-18T20:21:43Z
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@kev That's an interesting point. I know some of the paid tiers include full audit logs, more monthly build time, GDPR-compliant analytics, and password-protected pages/sites. My gut feeling is that they market towards freelancers who use Netlify for all of their clients. Also, see this quora answer https://qr.ae/pNZjCr
(DIR) Post #A2L0KAiQPdAVzerdh2 by binyamin@fosstodon.org
2020-12-18T21:19:19Z
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@kev I read that a bit wrong. They're not getting money from you personally. They're trying to be nice to you, so you become a customer in the future. Also, according to the Quora answer it's pretty cheap for them.
(DIR) Post #A2L8trZLsI8Yfd9Mjw by VikingKong@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-18T22:55:39.009396Z
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@kevOf course, you are. Look, you have already spread the word about Netlify absolutely for free. That's free plans are intended for.
(DIR) Post #A2LAw4UczkpvEy7aG8 by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-12-18T23:18:27Z
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@VikingKong hmmm that’s interesting.
(DIR) Post #A2LB7qqrXUNKPK8eGW by damko@fosstodon.org
2020-12-18T23:20:09Z
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@kev I'm not sure I understand but if you use Jekyll and you have your own vps why don't you push the "compiled" version to your own webserver and forget about all the rest?
(DIR) Post #A2LBlh3LODzRbIyUds by jameskupke@fosstodon.org
2020-12-18T23:27:27Z
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@kev I've been using Hugo + Gitlab + Netlify for a while on the free tier as well. I haven't had any complaints, but I think it's fair to be cautious and have a plan B when their sales model changes.
(DIR) Post #A2LI3J1o3Fpg1i2LwG by g@nerdculture.de
2020-12-19T00:37:48Z
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@kev I know @jamie mentioned something similar, but how is Netlify trying to make money and pay back their investors?According to Crunchbase(https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/netlify/company_financials) they have raised $91.7 million. How do they plan to pay them back?Make enough from customers? Go to IPO / stock?This is something I have been thinking more about when I use products and services, how are they making money and pay back their investors?
(DIR) Post #A2LwQoUfE58oRSIawK by ewintr@fosstodon.org
2020-12-19T08:09:53Z
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@kev If you already have a functioning VPS somewhere I don't understand why you would ever want to sign up for some free service with terms and conditions and no guarantees. 1. Install nginx with the most basic of configurations2. Clone you git repository on the server.3. White a five line `post-receive` git hook that clones the repo in `/tmp`, runs the command to create a site and copies the result to the webfolder.4. There is no 4. Take a beer, smile and continue with your day.
(DIR) Post #A2MWIwC8J3hyMMAuoq by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-12-19T14:52:16Z
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@ewintr that’s something I’m definitely exploring, I just need to find the time to do it.