Post A1fVHGUuCukUYoQTWy by velartrill@pleroma.site
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(DIR) Post #A1fQHUzfoLUVkV6r1k by tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com
2020-11-28T19:52:31.471816Z
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If someone is suffering horribly from a terminal illness, which is more humane for them?(This is going to be a fun discussion.)
(DIR) Post #A1fQNw2IBJfHMAP50K by moth@husk.site
2020-11-28T19:53:41.610988Z
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@tk Terry Pratchett live through this, so I take his request as a guide.
(DIR) Post #A1fQQmwOSB7I180Msq by kaikatsu@pleroma.site
2020-11-28T19:54:12.419171Z
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@tk It's not really a discussion, no? I think most people would agree that you should put down an animal that is suffering. Now extend this to humans. The bigger discussion is: what is suffering?
(DIR) Post #A1fQSLO1s2GR8dfnHs by tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com
2020-11-28T19:54:29.259673Z
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@kaikatsu You'd be surprised.
(DIR) Post #A1fQbe2hsR3Fbb8Pey by sathariel@gentoo.live
2020-11-28T19:56:15.202146Z
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@tk 1. Man has the right to live by his own law—to live in the way that he wills to do:to work as he will:to play as he will:to rest as he will:to die when and how he will.- Aleister Crowley, Liber OZ
(DIR) Post #A1fQfZwn2tIc3uF8JU by shmibs@tomo.airen-no-jikken.icu
2020-11-28T19:56:50.756670Z
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@tk letting people make their own decisions
(DIR) Post #A1fQh1MkaZwnOC4cdM by kaikatsu@pleroma.site
2020-11-28T19:57:08.179605Z
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@tk The only other reason is puritan/religious. There's really no reason to take someone out of a permanent pain unless you believe God is going to punish them even harder if they die assisted or something.
(DIR) Post #A1fQnpU7A4aCZElShU by kaikatsu@pleroma.site
2020-11-28T19:58:21.460338Z
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@cowanon @tk Elaborate or shoo
(DIR) Post #A1fQqcbtU8bDVSjcLQ by benis@cawfee.club
2020-11-28T19:58:52.464484Z
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@tk interestingly you haven't considered the will of the patient
(DIR) Post #A1fS3Gr9mCgVkzT9f6 by replikvlt@ms.neko.bar
2020-11-28T20:12:20.001Z
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@tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com give the GUI
(DIR) Post #A1fSLfLjRyVgvwXfai by ultem@gnosis.systems
2020-11-28T20:15:06.288500Z
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@tk Worked in a palliative cancer treatment station for a bit. There was a patient who jumped from the roof after learning he had terminal brain cancer. I'd heavily advocate for medically assisted suicide to prevent patients having to resort to this in face of a long painful inevitable end.
(DIR) Post #A1fUS3qlTEhkZBEbIm by galena@paws.moe
2020-11-28T20:39:14.246235Z
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@kaikatsu @tk Or an authoritarian belief that people are government property, and as such are only allowed to be killed when the government wants them to. Which is why we can have assisted suicide banned, because "life is too precious and valuable to end", while also having capital punishment for criminals.
(DIR) Post #A1fUfc01obECFA1rMW by kaikatsu@pleroma.site
2020-11-28T20:41:34.397138Z
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@galena @tk Really more of a connection between church and state than "authoritarian bad"
(DIR) Post #A1fUqkUiZTlLm9h6zg by galena@paws.moe
2020-11-28T20:43:40.723505Z
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@kaikatsu @tk Yeah true, it's almost always religious people pulling that shit. I just find it absurd that a nation can think assisted suicide is wrong while also thinking capital punishment is acceptable
(DIR) Post #A1fV0x9gM03NwDikaW by icedquinn@blob.cat
2020-11-28T20:45:32.867101Z
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@galena @kaikatsu @tk don't abort the baby life is sacred BUT once the wifebot ejects the baby from its body then fuck the kid he needs to git gud and grow up on the street alone. also, don't die we need your tax revenue .. unless you do too much bad living on the street because we're also against social services, in whcih case then you have to die because the state said so. :blobcatpolice: makes perfect sense :blobcatdunno:
(DIR) Post #A1fV13xt2FmH3fFvfs by kaikatsu@pleroma.site
2020-11-28T20:45:34.848504Z
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@galena @tk When it's someone the state doesn't mind: ✨ Take your time ✨ We can't let you go yet ❤️When it's someone the state dislikes: 😈 🔪 I am judge, jury, and the executioner 😈 🔪
(DIR) Post #A1fVDTGEoMNozGkwXg by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-11-28T20:44:54.789266Z
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@tk from what i've heard, most doctors in places that don't allow assisted suicide will use various tricks to euthanize people who are dying slowly and painfully, usually by increasing their painkiller dosage until they suffocate. i even heard of one case where a doctor somehow smuggled out a vial of morphine and gave it to a patient's wife "just in case," tho she didn't figure out until later what he was hinting at. it ranges from "legal grey area" to "flat-out murder" but it's one of the few risks doctors are willing to take in order to reduce suffering, even in america. (there's also a legally safer method called terminal sedation where sometimes doctors will just keep the patient in a medically-induced coma until they die on their own, so they don't have to actually experience the suffering their body is going through.)unfortunately most americans, at least middle-aged ones, have this bizarre pathology where they insist on keeping their dying relatives alive for as long as possible, no matter how much suffering it causes them, and even when the person in question is completely gone from alzheimers or dementia, or just an unconscious vegetable. a doctor wrote this heartbreaking editorial a year or so ago about how often she was legally forced by families to brutally torture their confused, terrified dying relatives just to squeeze a few more days or hours of life out of them (tho i think many doctors would probably just find a way to avoid giving the family a chance to make such a horrid decision in the first place). as someone who has had relatives suffer from dementia and wind up in "nursing" homes, i don't understand why anyone would ever subject someone they ostensibly love to such inhumqn cruelty -- just another disturbing piece of the nightmare that is the american psyche
(DIR) Post #A1fVHGUuCukUYoQTWy by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-11-28T20:47:34.802072Z
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@cowanon @kaikatsu @tk do you get off on being a retard online or something
(DIR) Post #A1fVUKqBN33XnMbu9Q by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-11-28T20:49:12.486623Z
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@kaikatsu @galena @tk an authoritarian is just like someone who loves pointless suffering right
(DIR) Post #A1fVUL2acuysPqPoUS by kaikatsu@pleroma.site
2020-11-28T20:50:50.760555Z
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@velartrill @galena @tk Authoritarian is when you have power. The more power you have the more authoritarian you are
(DIR) Post #A1flvoYcai632sWOFV by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-11-28T23:47:42.606573Z
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@galena @kaikatsu @tk i have noticed this secular tendency specifically in the US where the government does seem to feel like it has supreme authority over who lives and who dies and will go to absurd lengths to enforce that sense of entitlement for no other reason but making sure nobody gets the idea that they have any authority over their own bodies. they'll spend vast amounts of money and resources to save the life of a death row prisoner who attempts suicide only to execute him an hour later.
(DIR) Post #A1flvor3UAqFy396yu by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2020-11-28T23:55:05.845653Z
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@velartrill @galena @kaikatsu @tk My sister is a very religious Christian, yet watching our mother struggle with MS at the end of her life solidify my sister's view that people should be in control of their ability to end their suffering.
(DIR) Post #A1fn2H4FbV6j9xxZlQ by cell@shitposter.club
2020-11-29T00:07:29.587946Z
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@tk Sometimes, even when it it pretty obvious that there is nothing that can be done, there will be some irrationality somewhere with regards to keeping the patient alive; Hisashi Ouchi suffered far longer than he had to.
(DIR) Post #A1fnn7eUQbbLZJFWQS by cell@shitposter.club
2020-11-29T00:15:57.600916Z
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@tk in his particular case it wasn't a factor of whether or not assisted suicide would be allowed; it was a case of the doctors ACTIVELY trying to keep him alive, even after cardiac arrest occurred multiple times. I can understand why assisted suicide can be *very* touchy in some cultures, but at least letting someone die when the heart stops should be a choice everywhere:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do_not_resuscitate
(DIR) Post #A1fpw5vYPTgwjYdYZs by velartrill@pleroma.site
2020-11-29T00:11:59.084622Z
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@djsumdog @galena @kaikatsu @tk oh gosh i'm so sorry, that's a horrible disease. i had a brief MS scare at one point (MRI came back clean tho, thank go) and i feel so terrible for everyone who has to go through that
(DIR) Post #A2DLyV7FwT1yWb6Taq by sojka@birds.garden
2020-12-15T04:44:26.140905Z
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@tk I chose the third option, implying that this "someone" was myself. But the wording of the question may imply someone else, in which case i would suggest adding a fourth point: asking what that someone wants for themselves. He may simply want to go to sleep peacefully, or he may ask to be left alone, or he may ask to be taken to Nepal and left at the gate of the first temple that catches his eye… Why not do the his last will?
(DIR) Post #ABC0hYj3wElXYijLea by velartrill@springbo.cc
2021-09-09T18:00:16.802406Z
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@tk this poll restores some of my faith in humanity
(DIR) Post #AED4GB3pv85efamo0O by drwho@hackers.town
2021-11-29T05:26:12Z
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@sathariel @tk You beat me to it. #93