Post A1dJVgj9tWFECPHfFo by vivit@blob.cat
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(DIR) Post #A1VLzlz5Yjb1pnWr7A by BunnyHearted@anarchism.space
2020-11-23T19:03:27Z
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I love Le Guin
(DIR) Post #A1dJVgCtpSRMaMBtyK by BunnyHearted@anarchism.space
2020-11-23T19:06:28Z
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What I find very interesting about this quote is both that it seems to often be attributed to Tolkien (for some reason??), and that in almost all versions of it I can find online: the sentence "The moneylenders, the knownothings, the authoritarians have us all in prison" has been removed, and replaced with a simple "..." (which completely changes the meaning of the quote, and removes any of that anti-capitalist sentiment).Both quite telling.
(DIR) Post #A1dJVgj9tWFECPHfFo by vivit@blob.cat
2020-11-27T19:27:11.499150Z
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@BunnyHearted Was escapism a commonly levied criticism against Le Guin as it was against Tolkien and Lewis, or was this general genre apologetics?
(DIR) Post #A1zv8T8YKPYX7mdScq by conatus@octodon.social
2020-11-23T23:00:34Z
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@BunnyHearted One of the all time greats
(DIR) Post #A1zv8TbyZ15kb2OxUG by L29Ah@qoto.org
2020-12-08T09:55:02Z
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@bouncinglime @BunnyHearted @conatus What a pompous way to concede!
(DIR) Post #A1zv8U52owLO3C0AnQ by freemo@qoto.org
2020-12-08T17:12:12Z
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@L29Ah Hi, QOTO moderator here. hey L29Ah, care to explain this response. Aside from come across particularly rude it seems completely out of place for the post (conceding to what?). I know english isnt your first language, and this is the first time you've posted anything that comes across as harassing without any constructive purpose. So I'd like to give you a chance to explain what I am seeing before I see how I respond to this. Tirst impression after seeing this is not good though.What was your thought process in making this post?@bouncinglime @BunnyHearted @conatus
(DIR) Post #A1zwFd2nzWoTpgvPzU by L29Ah@qoto.org
2020-12-08T17:24:45Z
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@bouncinglime @BunnyHearted @L29Ah @conatus @freemo @freemo I read the text that glamorizes fantasy and suggests that people should pull others in when confronted with social conflicts, instead of dealing with them constructively. This is what i call a pompous way to concede. To the objective reality, if it isn't clear enough.The objective of my comment was to incite the poster to reconsider the will to disregard the objective reality. Meanwhile, i'm pissed that you're exercising your moderator powers without citing any TOS <https://qoto.org/terms> violation.
(DIR) Post #A1zxEVhjtY08jX6Oky by freemo@qoto.org
2020-12-08T17:35:44Z
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@L29Ah Meanwhile, i’m pissed that you’re exercising your moderator powers without citing any TOS https://qoto.org/terms violation.So you feel I am exercising moderator powers by asking you what your intent is?But sure if you need a specific ToS that is in play right now how about this part of the ToS which is exactly what is happening here: Don’t disrespect people; if they disrespect you then block them and move on. If we get a report on one of our users then an administrator will reach out to the parties involved and try to mediate a peaceful resolution. We will talk it through like mature adults. Lets remember there is a person at the other end of the screen, if we can be mature in real life we can do it here too.@bouncinglime @BunnyHearted @conatus
(DIR) Post #A1zxu8xaqdGgM7N0Ii by freemo@qoto.org
2020-12-08T17:43:08Z
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@L29Ah but back to the point at hand.. let me see if I understand your perspective (as it seems very oddly confrontational with little benefit...You're opinion is that enjoying fantasy literature and movies, and accepting it as a way to better cope with reality by immersing yourself in a fantasy world and being able to relax and enjoy those fantasy movies... that is "a pompous way to concede"... You took that to mean the post is going to just disregard objective reality as real all together because they happened to read a Fantasy themed book... Again I want to give you the benefit of the doubt that because english isnt your primary language maybe you misunderstood the post. Though being confrontational about the fact that I am even asking you to consider your position and behavior in this thread and how it is perceived is quite troubling and puts in question if i was correct in giving you the benefit of the doubt in the first place.Being confrontational and rude on such a benign post, and now doing the same when I come in to ask what your mindset was (and making no threat of moderator action as of yet) is not a good look and is compounding the issue rather than approaching a resolution.@bouncinglime @BunnyHearted @conatus
(DIR) Post #A1zyZqGQkZIWX7433A by se7en@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-08T17:51:02.635088Z
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@freemoAgainst the Grain@L29Ah @bouncinglime @BunnyHearted @conatus
(DIR) Post #A1zyySr2vHJFAZvpz6 by freemo@qoto.org
2020-12-08T17:55:27Z
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@se7en Against the grain isnt an issue, we tend to give a lot of slack if someone has an opinion, presents it in a reasonably respectful way, but it simply isnt popular. As of yet no decision has been made about this user or post, right now im trying to make sure his/her position is considered and we will go from there.In almost all cases in the past simply talking it out tends to resolve things with one party apologizing and being more mindful in the future. Things like this rarely become an incident or escalate once that resolution is reached, usually everyone is happy with the outcome and its just a simple misunderstanding. I guess we will have to see what path this dialogue takes...@BunnyHearted @conatus @L29Ah @bouncinglime
(DIR) Post #A1zyzfMpt0hwGbNGoC by L29Ah@qoto.org
2020-12-08T17:55:29Z
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@bouncinglime @BunnyHearted @L29Ah @conatus @freemo @se7en > You're opinion is that enjoying fantasy literature and movies, and accepting it as a way to better cope with reality by immersing yourself in a fantasy world and being able to relax and enjoy those fantasy movies...The text contained in the picture haven't implied any of that. Also, probably i don't even get what does it mean to use "fantasy literature ... to better cope with reality", as even if it works, it seems like an unnecessarily convoluted way to relax, stemming from self-deception and desire to keep being ignorant of one's own functioning that prevents one to relax without elaborate symbolic structures to explore.> Being confrontational and rude on such a benign post, and now doing the same when I come in to ask what your mindset was (and making no threat of moderator action as of yet) I am virtually always confrontational when i do communicate. There's no factual information transfer when you agree, and i'm not much into such kinds of social status acquisition.> is not a good look and is compounding the issue rather than approaching a resolution.Gladly i don't need any issues to get resolved. This is an internet discussion i've commented in, not a public policy committee i have a stake in.
(DIR) Post #A1zzJboumfZt3c19Au by se7en@freespeechextremist.com
2020-12-08T17:59:18.929402Z
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@freemoAgainst the Grain is a book about a young man who is such a hermit, he has created a fantasy world in his mind that is more real than the physical world around him@BunnyHearted @conatus @L29Ah @bouncinglime
(DIR) Post #A200vDbJNaMqtt9UPo by freemo@qoto.org
2020-12-08T18:16:59Z
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@L29Ah The text contained in the picture haven’t implied any of that.Actually it does. It is a famous and well known quote by Mrs. Guin as attributed at the bottom. She was a well known fantasy writer and as such it is clearly implied by both that and the fact that the drawing shows a woman reading a book with her imaginings of fantasy just above her head. so all the indicators are there.Now it is fair, and I do accept when you say that despite the post clearly being suggestive of fantasy books that you may have missed that fact. With that said, that is exactly the reason why polite inquisitive discourse is so important. You never bothered to give the chance for the OP to explain their point of view or what the post was intended to mean. You assumed what it meant, incorrectly, and then accused the OP’s post as being a pompus concession based on a complete lack of trying to engage constructively first.Don’t be so quick to jump in and tell people off for ideas you dont agree with. Be patient, be considerate, and most importantly give people enough benefit of the doubt to ask questions and understand a persons opinions before bothering to berate them.Do you recognize how you were in the wrong now that this has been pointed out? Also, probably i don’t even get what does it mean to use “fantasy literature … to better cope with reality”, as even if it works, it seems like an unnecessarily convoluted way to relax, stemming from self-deception and desire to keep being ignorant of one’s own functioning that prevents one to relax without elaborate symbolic structures to explore.This seems to just pile on all the character flaws that originally caused me to reach out to you in the first place… Are you really sitting here judging people as “convoluted” and “self-deceiving” and “ignorant of one’s own functioning” simply because they choose to read fiction in their off time to relax. Do you realize how beyond unhealthy and judgmental it sounds that you are going to write off people in some pretty exaggerated ways simply for enjoying reading fiction books?Are you seriously going to sit here and tell me you never relaxed, enjoyed, and found rewarding a TV show or book that was fiction. So you either never read at all, or only read textbooks and only watch documentaries?Honestly it sounds like you made a mistake, a very obvious one and instead of bothering to see why and trying to own up to it and become a better person you are going to double down on it and instead just insult or get defensive even more so than before… again, the benefit of the doubt I gave you earlier is starting to wear thin… I am virtually always confrontational when i do communicate. There’s no factual information transfer when you agree, and i’m not much into such kinds of social status acquisition.The issue is not that you disagreed, that is fine, and welcome. The issue is that you were insulting and rude in how you presented your disagreement, and you did so out of ignorance without bothering to understand your own fallibility or seeing to understand something you disagree with before disagreeing with it, made worse by the fact that your disagreement was bombastic rather than constructive in its presentation.Even now as I point out how you were ignorant, misinterpreted and were incorrect (you already recognized the ignorance of the context of the original statement), I see no signs of self reflection or any desire to learn from those mistakes. Gladly i don’t need any issues to get resolved. This is an internet discussion i’ve commented in, not a public policy committee i have a stake in.No you certainly dont. but our rules clearly state that we have an expectation of our users to interact with others maturely and in good will. You do not appear to be doing that. Typically people are mature enough to recognize that when someone points it out to them, you do not seem to be one of those people.Thank you for your responses here. They have been added to the report and any additional comments you make will likewise be appended to the report with a link to this conversation. So feel free to add any final comments. In the meantime due to being unable to reach a resolution the moderators will review and discuss this report, as well as your responses, and decide what the next steps will be.Thank you for your time, you will be notified of the results of that discussion.@bouncinglime
(DIR) Post #A200vWVH6FpPWfTR8y by freemo@qoto.org
2020-12-08T18:17:17Z
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@se7en Ahh I missed that. Good reference!@BunnyHearted @conatus @L29Ah @bouncinglime
(DIR) Post #A201Pka1KP7ds46giW by BunnyHearted@anarchism.space
2020-12-08T18:20:44Z
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@L29Ah @freemo this is a weird conversation tbh, but I think you're interpreting the messaging of this quote quite a bit differently than I am.It's not, in my view, about ignoring the problems of "objective reality" and hiding in books or whatever. It's about using fantasy to communicate the ideas of a better world, and using it to drive folks towards liberation (ie the duty to escape, and bring others with us). Something deeply connected to the authors works.
(DIR) Post #A201PksoCY9QoKth0C by freemo@qoto.org
2020-12-08T18:22:29Z
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@BunnyHearted I actually had untagged you from the thread not to bombard you with replies. If you are interested I said something similar to what you said int he continuation of the thread here: https://qoto.org/@freemo/105345936170126777@L29Ah