Post A1ACZojSm8TzfuhxU8 by paladin1@mastodon.sdf.org
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(DIR) Post #A19w6SLXKPKaa8UhcG by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-11-13T15:18:04Z
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I am kinda pissed about people trying to convince me about "how much Jesus loves you" and "Jesus does not want you to do this" with arguments directly from their holy book.They fail to understand that I reject the fact that the bible is true, unless they can convince me otherwhise.But that is a strange concept for them, since they themselves are used to just accept things as fact just because the bible says so".
(DIR) Post #A19wQtvqTWChveE5c8 by mgrondin@youdabomb.social
2020-11-13T15:22:01.003457Z
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@selea It's frustrating for sure. I have nothing against religious people. My parents are quit religious but they have accepted the fact that i am not and don't try to force it on me. Which I'm lucky for.This is why i never bring up the topic of religion with anyone because i don't want it to turn into them trying to convince me i should believe there story.
(DIR) Post #A19wweYt9mmnWdd3hI by Lordimpala@noagendasocial.com
2020-11-13T15:27:25Z
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@selea well let’s say it’s not true. Do you find value in the stories and wisdom that has helped us build western culture
(DIR) Post #A19xOKfygW4dxY8wzI by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-11-13T15:32:24Z
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@Lordimpala What stories brings value and wisdom? Ofcourse it is not the story about Lot and his two daughters? Or when yahweh commanded the israelites to kill every Amalek man, woman and child?It is just cherry-picked parts of stories that people use in that case, to show how the bible can bring moral and wisdom.Western culture is not really build on the values in the bible, but instead on secularism.
(DIR) Post #A19xTeLqxY3YQhGXR2 by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-11-13T15:33:28Z
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@mgrondin I have started to dislike certain types of religious people. Not all of the ofcourse.
(DIR) Post #A19ypDyzmIpGyQQSFU by groovestomp@social.linux.pizza
2020-11-13T15:48:32Z
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@selea @mgrondin I had an interesting talk with a coworker over beers. We came to realize that we had the same humanistic values and moral code, but because I'm not Christian he proceeded to tell me I'm going to hell.In my opinion, this situation should never occur. If I was a shit person who goes out of his way to antagonize people but claimed Christian faith and repented my sins then apparently that would be okay.
(DIR) Post #A1A0phmnAcxtJa4gkq by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2020-11-13T16:11:19.969900Z
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@selea @mgrondin I just hate morons and liars.
(DIR) Post #A1A1aW7MN1jcjk15iC by yassin@tilde.zone
2020-11-13T15:44:31Z
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@Lordimpala @selea It actually does not make any difference if any such scriptures are "true" or not with respect to any ethical proposition. These two logical domains are separate. Any argument defending an ethical proposition with an ontological one is logically fallacious and usually an argumentum ab auctoritate.
(DIR) Post #A1A2u7UfjPLs72pdui by apathetic_bystander@social.linux.pizza
2020-11-13T16:34:03Z
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@selea this is what I say to those who are trying to persuade me:It doesn't matter if god exists.Lets assume he does(in the way relegions describe him)why would anyone want to worship a god who tells you that you are free to do whatever you want but in the same time is willing to punish you for the f*in eternity if you disobey him? A parent with such an attitude is worthy of love?
(DIR) Post #A1A3fzcmIBMxbfS1bs by amerika@freespeechextremist.com
2020-11-13T16:43:11.567021Z
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@apathetic_bystander @selea You can choose good, or evil. He does not compel you.But, there are consequences.
(DIR) Post #A1ACZojSm8TzfuhxU8 by paladin1@mastodon.sdf.org
2020-11-13T18:22:30Z
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@seleaI agree it's frustrating when people don't meet you where you are. Many Christians can be quite dense to reading the room.If biblical historicity is a topic you are genuinely interested in discussing, I'd recommend F.F. Bruce's "The New Testament Documents: Are they reliable?". It's short and won't waste the hour or so it will take to read it. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on it.
(DIR) Post #A1ACsz0CodlR1rg6W8 by vlogginglily@venera.social
2020-11-13T18:24:00Z
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@selea I understand this feeling, I am not Christian at all and yet they still think I abide by their rules and ideals.
(DIR) Post #A1BQsHOKYLloHxTslU by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-11-14T08:37:32Z
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@paladin1 I will take a look at that book actually!
(DIR) Post #A1BQxV8as9hIMybtDc by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-11-14T08:38:31Z
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@vlogginglily Their rules and ideals is cherrypicked parts of the religion they are following. The bible is full of evil things that their god commanded his people to do.The new testament is not free from it either.
(DIR) Post #A1BR3VFtLcZSTKsyEy by Lordimpala@noagendasocial.com
2020-11-14T00:07:20Z
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@yassin @selea exactly. Take the good ethical parts. Learn from them.
(DIR) Post #A1BR3VP6nLwYvvCKbg by yassin@tilde.zone
2020-11-14T07:36:28Z
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@Lordimpala @selea That just shifts the problem to deciding what are the "good" and what are the "bad" parts, so it is easier for people to call to the ultimate ethical authority of such books to justify their actions (holy wars, beat your wife, etc). Such arguments also help people to deny their individual responsibility as they are just exerting god's will. I am not denying that people might draw a lot of good stuff from such books but they are inherently undemocratic and should have no place whatsoever in the political sphere.
(DIR) Post #A1BR3Vf3q2hhjOf4TI by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-11-14T08:39:33Z
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@yassin @Lordimpala we actually do not need the "ethical and good" parts from religion - we are perfectly capably of being ethical and good without it.
(DIR) Post #A1BXilh5jWTL3OfTrU by josias@theres.life
2020-11-14T09:54:15Z
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@selea Many people misunderstand the purpose of the Bible as well. It is not a book of rules and should not be used to control people. There is a section on Jewish law, but that is only part of the Bible and arguably has a greater purpose.I take to heart what Jesus said. He was incredibly wise, whether you believe his claims or not. Principles He taught stick with us today.I believe in the truth of the Bible (at the very least, the basic integrity of the gospels, which is the most essential part). But wisdom can be obtained from the Bible without accepting it as scripture.And sadly, a lot of the people who spout off Bible verses at people don't read the Bible much themselves.
(DIR) Post #A1BpWYJZRxXNG4zVrM by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-11-14T13:13:46Z
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@josias That's also something that many religious people fail to understand - is that the bible is the foundation to thousand of different christian denominations around the world, where people disagree about everything from if people should practise the shabbath to if jesus was really the son of god.
(DIR) Post #A1BpZc3ryZs9kP6elU by selea@social.linux.pizza
2020-11-14T13:14:22Z
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@josias Also, what jesus said is nothing special actually, it is essentially the same thing that buddha said, and zarathustra said thousands of year before jesus ever existed and that make him just a copy-cat of something that was already a heavy influence in the region.
(DIR) Post #A1Bz1NWcVwnQMMrv8q by josias@theres.life
2020-11-14T15:00:05Z
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@selea Looking at some of Buddha's sayings, many are completely different. Jesus taught prayer and dependence on God. Buddha talks a lot about the self.Do you have specific parallels in mind?And yes, denominationalism is a huge problem in the church, and the Bible calls for unity. I believe the massive disunity is caused by not truly following such biblical principles. I do want to note that the Bible itself is pretty clear on Jesus being the son of God, referring to Him as that repeatedly. Only those who loosely trust the Bible deny that.
(DIR) Post #A1DFyl62JUEsyUjN0i by Lordimpala@noagendasocial.com
2020-11-15T05:44:49Z
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@selea @yassin maybe, but it still got us to the point of culture we enjoy now