Post 9zM3DUrgffGhhVCwk4 by jamesmullarkey@w3c.social
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(DIR) Post #9zLMkMaeA4y3Z1f9qS by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-20T07:54:18Z
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Was going to write a post about this #Google car real-time tracking you, but then I realised I'm cycling around with an #Android phone in my pocket. 😐
(DIR) Post #9zLNnpM7le8bbP5NEu by turion@mastodon.art
2020-09-20T08:06:10Z
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@Gina Still, a good topic to write about!
(DIR) Post #9zLNuCEJdRasHZTDPM by imacrea@mamot.fr
2020-09-20T08:07:21Z
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@Gina Didn't switch to @efoundation yet? :)
(DIR) Post #9zLPPE8kgOO78dEDXE by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-20T08:24:08Z
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@imacrea @efoundation I really have to look into alternative mobile OS's again.
(DIR) Post #9zLPPif3Cs37nUZR2m by x@i3x.cx
2020-09-20T08:24:20Z
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@Gina I am switching over to this very soon https://e.foundation/
(DIR) Post #9zLQ8xf2HhifLj8Wx6 by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-20T08:32:31Z
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@x looks awesome, but do you know it comes with WhatsApp? I hate to say it, but without it my social life ends. :(
(DIR) Post #9zLQCMSwW6Q19K6Ltg by pedro@social.linux.pizza
2020-09-20T08:32:49Z
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@Gina do you know the Google Toilet video?
(DIR) Post #9zLQDkK3IuPHQebSym by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-20T08:33:10Z
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@x looks awesome, but do you know it comes with WhatsApp? I hate to say it, but without it my social life ends. :(Edit: even more importantly I don't think I can live without my proprietary banking apps. Sucks.
(DIR) Post #9zLQhFZCDYHQjGkt0q by imacrea@mamot.fr
2020-09-20T08:38:39Z
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@Gina @efoundation It's working pretty well on my side :) Running it on a Fairphone 2
(DIR) Post #9zLSFuidovlsA2GYGu by bjonte@mastodon.technology
2020-09-20T08:56:07Z
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@Gina @x Banking apps is really my biggest problem leaving iOS, or rather BankID which is quickly taking over online identification in Sweden. It's very difficult without it.
(DIR) Post #9zLTTsL5Z7WymvTFTM by edgren@fosstodon.org
2020-09-20T09:07:20Z
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@bjonte @Gina @x But isn't e Foundation using a modified version of Android called /e/? If so, wouldn't all applications that work with stock Android work with e Foundation?
(DIR) Post #9zLTTsV0yDTFHi7Awa by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-20T09:09:48Z
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@edgren @bjonte @x I don't know, but that would be great!
(DIR) Post #9zLTVR6ZnAYeu0QWoq by edgren@fosstodon.org
2020-09-20T09:09:57Z
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@Gina @x Try to move your contacts or work to Telegram for better security and privacy.Before I deleted my Facebook account in early 2019, I only had 1 or 2 friends on Telegram. Today, I have over 40, both new and old friends.
(DIR) Post #9zLTeXNlp3QkyeoDvE by edgren@fosstodon.org
2020-09-20T09:11:47Z
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@Gina @bjonte @x Yeah, and after visited their website, I can confirm that /e/OS uses Android.Source: https://e.foundation/get-started/
(DIR) Post #9zLTgRQgvTsf5t5DrE by bjonte@mastodon.technology
2020-09-20T09:12:05Z
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@Gina @edgren @x This is beyond my knowledge, but isn't there a problem that from the app's view the phone looks rooted unless running Android from Google? I'd guess the banking apps would refuse to run if that was the case.
(DIR) Post #9zLTknYUbYYAsGoGVE by edgren@fosstodon.org
2020-09-20T09:12:52Z
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@Gina @bjonte @x Yeah, and after visited their website, I can confirm that /e/OS uses Android. I am quite certain that you can use stock Android apps in /e/OS 🙂 Source: https://e.foundation/get-started/
(DIR) Post #9zLUbt84bzSxVdleMq by nitox@fosstodon.org
2020-09-20T09:22:20Z
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@Gina You can use Aurora Store to get WhatsApp and this kind of "Propietary shit people can't leave without" software as a service.Bad thing is... it violates one of the Google Play usage conditions, but who cares?? Google violates every peoples privacy which is way worse
(DIR) Post #9zLV3MEKWVMbaCnC3U by kingannoy@octodon.social
2020-09-20T09:27:27Z
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@Gina @x The reason some apps may not work with a de-googled phone. Android is open-source, but Google includes by default a few non-open system apps. These apps can be used by other apps on your phone for things like: getting accurate fast location (GPS) data, sending (push) messages via Googles servers, and a few other things.When I tried this around 4 years ago there were a few apps that didn't work because they needed this "layer" like Pokémon go, Snapchat and Signal.
(DIR) Post #9zLVqGq5M77r3Jm9qq by edgren@fosstodon.org
2020-09-20T09:24:30Z
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@bjonte @Gina @x Hm. Yeah. That would be true, yes. I have 4 banking apps that I can't live without + BankID. I will root my old phone some day (have said that to myself for maybe 4 month now, haha), but not install a custom ROM. Will try them out after that. Hopefully they will work.
(DIR) Post #9zLVqH7SJX1JvBu1vU by bjonte@mastodon.technology
2020-09-20T09:31:19Z
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@edgren @Gina Haha, I know that feeling! I failed to switch bank altogether because of... just not doing it.
(DIR) Post #9zLVqHJrZOweXfhwGW by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-20T09:36:14Z
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@bjonte @edgren lol this is me moving away from Gmail.
(DIR) Post #9zLVyI5AcJV7E1eirg by bjonte@mastodon.technology
2020-09-20T09:37:42Z
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@Gina @edgren Haha! You're just moving v e r y s l o w l y.
(DIR) Post #9zLWvRv3gesEor8RLk by cathal@octodon.social
2020-09-20T09:48:24Z
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@Gina You can degoogle a phone. Can you degoogle a car? If doing so means the car firmware changes, is it still road-legal without the spyware?
(DIR) Post #9zLXL8HnJ0zzSO14oS by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-20T09:53:00Z
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@cathal I'm sure Google would like to see that be made illegal really soon.
(DIR) Post #9zLXtaK7ZM2AG9X5zU by cathal@octodon.social
2020-09-20T09:59:16Z
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@Gina TBH I think traditional manufacturers may beat them to it. It's already a felony to service cars in the US if it involves bypassing DRM, and a locked bootloader could easily be called "DRM". Tesla even remote-destroy a car if they think you've serviced it without their consent. Google won't have to work hard unless we get "Right to Repair".But even then, "road legal" will still be open: what if they disable more than spyware, e.g. emissions controls?https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/09/auto-car-emissions-defeat-devices-delete-kits
(DIR) Post #9zLZ8K8c83wwMIk5dA by bekopharm@social.tchncs.de
2020-09-20T10:13:08Z
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@Gina heh, google is the least of concerns when we talk about modern computers on wheels 🤓
(DIR) Post #9zLcCY96I27wp9g0o4 by rberlim@mastodon.social
2020-09-20T10:47:32Z
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@Gina well, you can always try a Rom without gApps on it :)
(DIR) Post #9zLdQn2pnCod2a6FoO by tobtobxx@fosstodon.org
2020-09-20T11:01:19Z
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@Gina @x Don't know about e Foundation, but I have WhatsApp running on my non-google LineageOS. I just don't receive push notifications (by extension also WA calls), bc missing GP Services.You can try to extract the apk of many apps (or get it from some apk mirror) and install it manually. Spotify crashes and so does my banking app, but I could leave these two apps behind.
(DIR) Post #9zLgFoexkPmyj6OQEq by FreePietje@x0f.org
2020-09-20T11:33:00Z
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@edgren @Gina @bjonte @x I wouldn't be so certain of that if I were you.Certain (/most?) banking apps use the Android API to verify whether you're using 'genuine' (pure) Android (attestation iirc). A phone with a custom ROM or a rooted one will fail that check and subsequently the banking app won't run. 'For your and their safety ofc'.It's mostly BS, but that doesn't matter
(DIR) Post #9zLgUErd7L7Y3HCA6K by FreePietje@x0f.org
2020-09-20T11:35:38Z
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@Gina I saw that one too and thought to myself "there are probably people that would actually want that"*sigh*
(DIR) Post #9zLgYwDJsyNTeoa5oG by blkpws@fosstodon.org
2020-09-20T11:36:21Z
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@Gina I have LineageOS without Google so if you want you can.
(DIR) Post #9zLgmQrdExMOTvs5i4 by FreePietje@x0f.org
2020-09-20T11:38:55Z
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@edgren @Gina @bjonte @x I wouldn't be so certain of that if I were you.Certain (/most?) banking apps use the Android API to verify whether you're using 'genuine' (pure) Android (attestation iirc). A phone with a custom ROM or a rooted one will fail that check and subsequently the banking app won't run. 'For your and their safety ofc'.It's mostly BS, but that doesn't matterI have still have a SGS2, which I'll probably use for it. No WA here though, so I can easily leave it at home
(DIR) Post #9zLhbiBObp4kxoZGN6 by Gina@fosstodon.org
2020-09-20T11:48:02Z
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@blkpws do proprietary apps such as banking and WhatsApp work on LineageOS nowadays?
(DIR) Post #9zLhdAeaEztpYOuqMS by edgren@fosstodon.org
2020-09-20T11:48:19Z
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@FreePietje @Gina @bjonte @x That's some sad news, I must say 😕 Hopefully my banking apps will work anyway.
(DIR) Post #9zLifD7E9riTisqmBM by FreePietje@x0f.org
2020-09-20T12:00:00Z
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@edgren @Gina @bjonte @x There is a reasonable chance it works today, but one should have a backup plan for when it no longer does.I've had a banking app fail bc it was rooted (IIRC they confirmed that to me on the phone), but they apparently disabled that check since. Likely too many failures.#Android will likely attract more and more malware and thus the screws will be tightened over time. https://x0f.org/@FreePietje/104489173811185521
(DIR) Post #9zLkEKofcR2VhCTzJw by brunofontes@fosstodon.org
2020-09-20T12:17:13Z
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@Gina Everyone here use Waze all the time to avoid/reduce traffic jam. Not sure if it would be much different than that.
(DIR) Post #9zM3DUrgffGhhVCwk4 by jamesmullarkey@w3c.social
2020-09-20T15:50:13Z
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@Gina @imacrea @efoundation As far as I know @efoundation will allow you to use Google play apps
(DIR) Post #9zM5H5lW8FuWvGADwm by chris@mastodon.chriswiegman.com
2020-09-20T16:13:16Z
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@Gina @imacrea @efoundation I just ordered a Pinephone this morning for a lot of the same reason. We'll see how it goes.
(DIR) Post #9zMVwej9eBCm2IXSFM by BalooUriza@social.tulsa.ok.us
2020-09-20T21:12:07Z
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@Gina Wonder if you can trade out google maps for something good, like Osmand or Magic Earth instead...
(DIR) Post #9zSX8pB4hevw91YOmW by antaeus@fosstodon.org
2020-09-23T18:53:42Z
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@Gina if you want, you might be able to install Lineage OS on your phone.... If it bothers you. My Pixel 4 is running great with Lineage OS.#PrivacyAsDefault
(DIR) Post #9zmSozTvYYhvzPCWDA by mihira@ursal.zone
2020-10-03T09:39:33Z
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@Gina you should try @e_mydata