Post 9z9oWjAVssaQtedpom by msavoritias@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #9z9TY2BaZ7mt87vUwK by msavoritias@fosstodon.org
2020-09-14T13:49:13Z
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Is there actually an #xmpp application that is pure p2p? Its one of my main problems with some of the apps I tried in android.
(DIR) Post #9z9TY2Ko0r9zaiErJ2 by hund@fosstodon.org
2020-09-14T14:14:02Z
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@msavoritias What?
(DIR) Post #9z9USIKNjnKVPSrltw by msavoritias@fosstodon.org
2020-09-14T14:24:11Z
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@hund a peer to peer one like briar or Jami is. I have always seen a #xmpp client needing a server.
(DIR) Post #9z9VC3RZPNm8ZJ34To by hund@fosstodon.org
2020-09-14T14:32:29Z
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@msavoritias That's how it's designed.
(DIR) Post #9z9VElFfVC4t12lwFk by hund@fosstodon.org
2020-09-14T14:33:01Z
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@msavoritias That's how it's designed. It's decentralized.
(DIR) Post #9z9Vn6PXL5zCUAlNiK by msavoritias@fosstodon.org
2020-09-14T14:39:14Z
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@hund I would much prefer something distributed. Decentralized still gives power to the server Admins. Someone told me that #xmpp has a peer to peer specification when I mentioned that matrix works on that. I was interested to know if it true.
(DIR) Post #9z9XrSZz3iqaJ4r5qS by hund@fosstodon.org
2020-09-14T15:02:22Z
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@msavoritias Why do you want to centralize it? Have you not learned anything?And if you're too lazy to host your own services, use a friends server and if you don't trust that friend use E2EE.XMPP is a extensible messaging and presence protocol, it can be and do anything and everything you want it to be.
(DIR) Post #9z9YVc9Ut3AtZzc6G8 by msavoritias@fosstodon.org
2020-09-14T15:09:31Z
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@hund I don't want to centralize it. Peer to peer is more decentralized than decentralised. Its literally server less. Its better because not everybody can run their own server.I haven't seen a peer to peer client though. That's a same
(DIR) Post #9z9oWj0aTmeAOrzuLY by robby@zoinks.one
2020-09-14T15:07:54.840030Z
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@hund It looks like @msavoritias meant they wanted something truly decentralized, rather than distributed (federated). A fully decentralized protocol doesn’t need to rely on servers, except maybe for helping peers find each other.
(DIR) Post #9z9oWjAVssaQtedpom by msavoritias@fosstodon.org
2020-09-14T15:16:22Z
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@robby @hund This image explains distributed. Mastodon is decentralized. Jami is distributed.I was asking if #xmpp can be distributed instead of decentralized.
(DIR) Post #9z9oWjNH7QnLXEc1i4 by hund@fosstodon.org
2020-09-14T18:09:06Z
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@msavoritias @robby I hope I don't came out to hard on you earlier today. I was on my way home from work. I was tired, hungry and stressed out (over multiple things right now).You should really give XMPP a chance! I've been using it for almost 15 years now so I might be a bit biased though. :PSeriously though, it's not perfect, but it's what's sucks the least if you ask me.
(DIR) Post #9zAdMlC0bCUZwOLU4u by brian@ap.tiuxo.com
2020-09-15T03:38:52.889401Z
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@msavoritias @hund The person who told you XMPP has a peer to peer spec may have been confused and was thinking of the XEP-0282 "Distributed MUC", which shares MUCs across servers in much the same way Matrix does (but has nothing to do with P2P.)P2P Matrix involves running a full webassembly version of Dendrite in the browser. It doesn't work with federated Matrix. It's an interesting dalliance, but until it works with normal Matrix it's nothing more than that.I like the idea of a P2P fallback, or perhaps a way clients could migrate between servers. But I'm not a fan of "waste resources by default".
(DIR) Post #9zB0GAt2y5lGY4IyXY by msavoritias@fosstodon.org
2020-09-15T07:55:20Z
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@hund @robby No worries. I think for private messaging there are better solutions. I like peer to peer tech better. :ac_bewildered: For groups I am not so sure though.