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(DIR) Post #9z7Pyno1LmTSDVUWVU by dick_turpin@mastodon.org.uk
2020-09-13T14:24:43Z
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Watched "The Social Dilemma" on Netflix yesterday. If you're going to watch it, and you should DON'T take what some of the contributors say as 'Gospel' just because they created things or held high posts or look and sound like RMS used to sound LOL, it doesn't necessarily make them right. For example some of Tristan Harris's arguments are flawed IMO I screamed at the TV screen "You could use a bicycle to take you to murder someone! So bikes are not harmless."
(DIR) Post #9z7RjE1aIlQ0o9XGtc by whistlewright@liberdon.com
2020-09-13T14:44:19Z
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@dick_turpin so... hmm... the solution to the social dilemma is to ride a bicycle to a murder... interesting concept... Honey where did you put my balaclava?
(DIR) Post #9z7S1xdfRoj9UTHZwW by dick_turpin@mastodon.org.uk
2020-09-13T14:47:42Z
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@whistlewright Na, He says that bicycles changed society but for the good because they're harmless. Obviously he for how the Wehrmacht and the Japanese used them.
(DIR) Post #9z7S3xw3Jf70zOq0oa by dick_turpin@mastodon.org.uk
2020-09-13T14:48:06Z
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@whistlewright Na, He says that bicycles changed society but for the good because they're harmless. Obviously he forgot how the Wehrmacht and the Japanese used them.
(DIR) Post #9z7V3t2JpWGZerQHQm by whistlewright@liberdon.com
2020-09-13T15:21:40Z
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@dick_turpin my conclusion was more fun...
(DIR) Post #9z7VvuofQdrEocngFU by dick_turpin@mastodon.org.uk
2020-09-13T15:31:26Z
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@whistlewright I agree.
(DIR) Post #9z7WUnPcwq2pzKij1E by whistlewright@liberdon.com
2020-09-13T15:37:45Z
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@dick_turpin I haven't seen the video in question so this may be way off topic, but back when I was a fulltime cyclist a group called "Bikes not Bombs" was doing all sorts of good works in the underdeveloped world by sending them used bicycles. Or at least they said they were. I never verified....
(DIR) Post #9z7Wcr51CCePgCvKJU by whistlewright@liberdon.com
2020-09-13T15:39:12Z
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@dick_turpin Evidently, the recipents of these used bikes boosted the economies of villages by starting freight hauling companies and taxi services all using bikes. There's was a neat story if it was true.
(DIR) Post #9z7WxogVITTkKdS6aW by dick_turpin@mastodon.org.uk
2020-09-13T15:42:59Z
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@whistlewright It's all about Ethical coding and how the likes of Google, Facebook etc are manipulating everyone. I'm not totally convinced because the scenario that was being put forward would mean each and every one of us on the planet basically has their own computer on the Google farm and in the bowels of Menlo Park (Facebook) with our own AI's controlling each of us like something out of The Matrix.
(DIR) Post #9z7X88nNNdFjbHad9c by dick_turpin@mastodon.org.uk
2020-09-13T15:44:52Z
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@whistlewright I do agree with some of it though like the fact Google for example will show you news very different to what it shows me. I found myself nodding like a loon when one guy said: "So you look around and cannot understand why people are not reading the things you're reading."
(DIR) Post #9z7XKhtghMAZwRXAe0 by whistlewright@liberdon.com
2020-09-13T15:47:07Z
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@dick_turpin which, interestingly, leads to the feelings of isolation that we all seem to suffer from these days.
(DIR) Post #9z7XqQN5OVqeqwPPPs by dick_turpin@mastodon.org.uk
2020-09-13T15:52:51Z
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@whistlewright The view was that it was creating Tribalism which I kinda agree with but tbh I don't think that's AI's fault or Social Engineering I think it's more base survival instinct in that people are no longer willing to hear views of ideas that their Tribe does not agree with. It's got to the stage whereby anything said by someone from an opposite camp is wrong and liar simply by virtue of being from another camp. #LeSigh
(DIR) Post #9z7Xt62FSZoYeNw6z2 by dick_turpin@mastodon.org.uk
2020-09-13T15:53:21Z
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@whistlewright The view was that it was creating Tribalism which I kinda agree with but tbh I don't think that's AI's fault or Social Engineering I think it's more base survival instinct in that people are no longer willing to hear views or ideas that their Tribe does not agree with. It's got to the stage whereby anything said by someone from an opposite camp is wrong and liar simply by virtue of being from another camp. #LeSigh
(DIR) Post #9z7Xwvp1NIeK8HZuPQ by dick_turpin@mastodon.org.uk
2020-09-13T15:54:03Z
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@whistlewright The view was that it was creating Tribalism which I kinda agree with but tbh I don't think that's AI's fault or Social Engineering I think it's more base survival instinct in that people are no longer willing to hear views or ideas that their Tribe does not agree with. It's got to the stage whereby anything said by someone from an opposite camp is wrong and lie simply by virtue of being from another camp. #LeSigh
(DIR) Post #9z7aQ321qcd2ndfq8u by whistlewright@liberdon.com
2020-09-13T16:21:41Z
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@dick_turpin you might be correct but who knows seeing as you're from the other side of the pond from me... <sarcasm that shows I understood something>
(DIR) Post #9z7beeooFoQC0A1M0G by dick_turpin@mastodon.org.uk
2020-09-13T16:35:32Z
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@whistlewright Exactly! So what the program was saying was that if we have some common interests the AI will enhance that relationship by giving us both positive experiences and bring both of us around to views that maybe we didn't hold a year ago or before we started interacting while all the time shielding us from information we would disagree with. Thing is, that would only be plausible if there was some mystical group controlling everything. #ConspiracyTheory
(DIR) Post #9z7cXO3gGlNVwq4dkW by wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.uk
2020-09-13T16:45:27Z
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@dick_turpin There have been several fatal collisiond between cyclists and pedestrians
(DIR) Post #9z7eCUOFjTqfPerKFM by dick_turpin@mastodon.org.uk
2020-09-13T17:04:04Z
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@wyliecoyoteuk I got what he meant but my point was "Nothing is blameless, everything can be used for nefarious purposes."Clearly I'm immoral because on the whole I think Cambridge Analytica's biggest crime was allowing themselves to be the fall guy. For me, what they were doing (On the whole) seems legitimate. What others did with their systems and data is where the problem lies. Good god, even your supermarket profiles you.
(DIR) Post #9z7iN3Y8GW5hAbm4o4 by wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.uk
2020-09-13T17:50:47Z
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@dick_turpin In the end, conscience these days is a devalued property.
(DIR) Post #9z7jHY5BvlMW5GAvXE by wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.uk
2020-09-13T18:00:59Z
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@dick_turpin Here's a question for you.Your party tries to introduce a law that is from your viewpoint, really bad for the country and your constituents. It is a 3 line whip.Do youa vote for it because otherwise your career will be finished.b vote against it because you cannot compromise your beliefs for the sake of your career.c abstain because you are a craven cowardd vote for it, despite knowing it a disaster, but you will be seen as an enemy of the people.I know who I would vote for
(DIR) Post #9z7jIQPbw3mWaE8zrM by dick_turpin@mastodon.org.uk
2020-09-13T18:01:11Z
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@wyliecoyoteuk Sometimes folks pursue "Conscience" and ethics in areas where it has no place to be. It always makes me smile when these people, having earned a fat wage for X amount of yrs and stashed a few quid away suddenly develop a 'Moral Conscience' they had no such 'morals' when they were penniless and desperate to get their code recognised. I know a couple of people who would've sold a kidney to work for Google, having done so after a few years left they started the famous "Ethics" label
(DIR) Post #9z7jwzSl2LfSsHxWQy by dick_turpin@mastodon.org.uk
2020-09-13T18:08:30Z
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@wyliecoyoteuk So I wouldn't say abstaining is "Cowardice" that label is only attached by an individual hoping for an outcome that pleases them alone. So I would say:1. Abstain as a way of showing disagreement.2. Vote for it for the sake of party unity.All political parties have Whips in the UK the only difference is only one party asks the Unions to harass it's members to vote a certain way.
(DIR) Post #9z7u4ZDXV38TKm5mm8 by wyliecoyoteuk@mastodon.org.uk
2020-09-13T20:01:55Z
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@dick_turpin I knew what your response would be Sadly we have less conservative party members who actually care about the country anymore.
(DIR) Post #9z87iXABr3KRx1uiRM by whistlewright@liberdon.com
2020-09-13T22:34:48Z
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@dick_turpin There is a crapton of thoughts in this one reply of yours and I am not sure how to intelligently reply. My knee jerk is to say "yeah, a faux-conspiracy like Facebook and Google taking over the world kind of conspiracy..." But there is a lot of deep stuff here, bud. I wasn't really counting on thinking too hard on this convo but I think I scared myself somewhere on the way
(DIR) Post #9z8qSr24i4yssV11UG by dick_turpin@mastodon.org.uk
2020-09-14T06:56:12Z
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@whistlewright We're just waiting for Skynet to become self aware.