Post 9ynd8aArFwkItwdrfs by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
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(DIR) Post #9ympv1MAV5FLOjptg0 by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2020-09-03T16:06:27.741658Z
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Why I No Longer Hate the Police:https://battlepenguin.com/politics/why-i-no-longer-hate-the-police/
(DIR) Post #9ynStJDV1QnCQJxK0O by pperrin@liberdon.com
2020-09-03T23:23:08Z
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@djsumdog If they are good people, they can be so without joining plod.If they are good people who join plod, then they have just given up their self-agency to be good people.The police are an evil institution.
(DIR) Post #9ynakBKdleUuzpSG0G by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2020-09-04T00:51:08.858159Z
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@pperrin I feel like you didn't read the article. You remove all the police at once and you literally get Baghdad.So if police are evil, what about the police detectives that solve murders and arrest them? What about the police that intervene in domestic abuse situations, arrest abusers and submit evidence of that abuse to prosecutors? What about the police officers who respond to flooding and save lives? Is it only good when a fire fighter or paramedic saves a life in an an emergency and not a police officer?A police officer is a human being. When he or she joins the police force, it does not make them evil. I don't understand how that logically even makes any sense.
(DIR) Post #9ync8ry8zlEY8ZGgfw by pperrin@liberdon.com
2020-09-04T01:06:48Z
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@djsumdog A decent human being does not need to join the police to be so.Which of your examples could not be done by a 'civilian'?In the UK the police, wanting to prevent the public undermining them by 'doing the right thing', have had many campaigns begging the public to be cowards, run away and leave it to the police. The public still mostly refuse to be submissive to such police demands (thank god!!)On duty a police officer is a puppet of the state - not an independent person.
(DIR) Post #9yncdmCwSvWZFIvYkS by pperrin@liberdon.com
2020-09-04T01:12:23Z
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@djsumdog FWIW - the UK and USA have fundamentally different views of what 'the police' are ultimately for... in the UK, plod are just supposed to be 'citizens in uniform' doing full time what any citizen would do if they had the time... they (should) have no 'special powers'.The police in the USA are quite different when it comes down to the detail...
(DIR) Post #9ynd8aArFwkItwdrfs by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2020-09-04T01:17:57.573973Z
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@pperrin Civilians freeze. Paramedics, Firemen and Police are trained, very specifically, so they don't freeze. But let's look at a civilian: Kyle Rittenhouse. He literally put out a dumpster fire (that's not covered in the news) that a bunch of peaceful protestors were peacefully pushing into a gas station to burn it down in Kenosha. That's why they were angry at him and attacked. He killed two and injured one. All were felons, one was about to commit another felony (arson) and the one who survived admitted he was going to empty his entire magazine into the guy. He's now been arrested for murder. That is your citizen police officer. He did the right thing and now he faces prison.On the flip side, you have CHAZ, where their "security force" shot up a Jeep filled with two innocent kids, and then executed one of them and destroyed all the evidence:https://battlepenguin.com/politics/video/chaz-seattle-and-the-mob/and while we're at it, let's look at these cops. They didn't illegally search a black man who was overdosing. When he came to, he pulled a gun and shot and killed the fireman who saved his life:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YmVfr6bn-EYour statements are really really ignorant of all the complexities that go into a security force, a trained one. Do you think every single civilian should get police training then, and always be prepared to police? Who would stop reckless drivers? Drunk drivers? Do you just call random civilians to stop a store robbery? Is it up to the store owner to shoot the robber? I don't understand the logistics of your non-police world.
(DIR) Post #9yneQt4znxUWhbBzIO by pperrin@liberdon.com
2020-09-04T01:32:27Z
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@djsumdog So given what you have just written, you are happy with the way things are?As I say, in the UK plod is supposed to be 'citizens in uniform' - yes *of course* every citizen should assert common law (training should not be necessary - unless law makers have f*cked it all up again, so no one knows what is what...).I realise UK and USA law enforcement have different histories/roots and what may be right here may not be right there...https://thecrimepreventionwebsite.com/police-crime-prevention-service---a-short-history/744/the-peelian-principles/
(DIR) Post #9ynf2cJ2cHWFgUkjQG by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2020-09-04T01:39:17.485973Z
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@pperrin I'm going to ask this again? Did you even read my article?Yes, I think improvements can be made within the system. There are problems, but we are seeing solutions. Body cameras provide amazing insight and accountability. Also, a lot of the issues with the 🇺🇸 justice system are not related directly to police. They're one part in a big system. The 2020 series Outcry shows malicious prosecutors who unjustly imprisoned a kid for 3 years. Zimmerman is another example of where a malicious prosecutor brought up unjust charges and A FAKE witness (the Diamond Eugene at trial was not the real Diamond Eugene). Furthermore, I lived in 🇳🇿 for 3 years and one of my friends was unjustly attacked by a police officer who broke his wrist (he was actually 🇬🇧 and his brother is a cop in Scotland). When they tried to file a complaint, it was the cop's partner at the station who tried to intimidate them into not filing it. So police corruption exists, even in countries where they can't carry firearms. I think improvements can continue to be made to the US police system, but it's fucking retarded to think you can just disband them and citizen policing will give you anything other than, at best, Detroit, and at worst, Somalia. Did you even watch my CHAZ video? That's what your system will get.
(DIR) Post #9ynu5v4wm7cE5WC2d6 by cy@fedicy.allowed.org
2020-09-04T04:27:57.915106Z
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@djsumdog @pperrin Well maybe civilians should be able to get some of that exclusive police training.But Kyle isn’t an unvarnished angel. He still went to a protest with a gun knowing he was going to be attacked, and they didn’t lay a hand on him until one person was already dead. You should stop lying because it makes you look horrible, and it doesn’t make Kyle look any better. Let him be a stupid kid who made a mistake and fell in with the wrong crowd, who sweet talked him into going and being a hero. His victims were no angels either, but damn man. Unconvicted, freed felons off parole for good behavior, and you still equate them with ax murderers? If they were trying to start a fire, then shame on them, but don’t believe the people saying Kyle did no wrong. People are lying on all sides here, and no black and white story has any connection with the reality of what happened.
(DIR) Post #9ynuiY6s6hDq92Vtdg by icedquinn@blob.cat
2020-09-04T04:34:56.353194Z
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@cy @djsumdog @pperrin > bringing a weapon to a warzoneman i bet people bring food to work too in case they get hungry.
(DIR) Post #9ynv6H6111a0KMQU1w by icedquinn@blob.cat
2020-09-04T04:39:14.230921Z
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@cy @djsumdog @pperrin i seem to recall the man he supposedly killed had a grazing wound, but also had other gunshot wounds which were incompatible with the narrative because how did he get shot in the back while fighting from the front.so i guess i'll have to keep waiting for the court hearing to hear more about that.meanwhile antifa just executed an unarmed civilian in portland and nobody seems to care when antifa brings guns.
(DIR) Post #9ynydObGR7Xr1GWlJA by cy@fedicy.allowed.org
2020-09-04T05:18:50.270035Z
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@icedquinn @djsumdog @pperrin It wasn’t a war zone. There were no bombs dropping. There was no razor wire, no soldiers lurking in the trenches or the abandoned buildings with sniper rifles. There were two people with guns: Kyle and Joseph. Kyle was the only one openly carrying and brandishing it at people. And the only one who fired. From what footage I could watch, if the “convicted felon” had taken the shot, Kyle would be missing a few more brain cells.
(DIR) Post #9ynzGN3q5nwnXWThGy by cy@fedicy.allowed.org
2020-09-04T05:25:52.868336Z
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Sorry, not Joseph. The guy who didn’t die. I forget his name.
(DIR) Post #9ynzIYLZ6RLD7aoG92 by icedquinn@blob.cat
2020-09-04T05:26:16.000778Z
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@cy @djsumdog @pperrin More than Joseph had guns. There was active gunfire in the videos, and the prosecutor even acknowledged off-camera shooting was happening.
(DIR) Post #9ynzODZtEaMERfD9hg by icedquinn@blob.cat
2020-09-04T05:27:17.473101Z
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@cy @djsumdog @pperrin they were able to account for ~7 shots coming from Kyle's gun, yet around 15 shots in total happen across the clips. Coupled with people starting fires that's getting pretty close to a warzone.
(DIR) Post #9ynzXBapyzTstbvlNA by cy@fedicy.allowed.org
2020-09-04T05:28:55.192607Z
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@icedquinn @djsumdog @pperrin I reserve the word warzone for an actual warzone. I do think it sounds like it was something of a death trap.
(DIR) Post #9ypGorDyZaK1OrUXBo by pperrin@liberdon.com
2020-09-04T20:17:18Z
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@djsumdog UK Plod are scum. Here is a bloke not wearing a face covering - in the UK there are many exemptions to wearing a mask and it is against the law to *ask* someone what their exemption is.Little Hitler officer in this clip doesn't care...I trust the public far more than I trust plod.
(DIR) Post #9ypI9g6PDgOSwORUo4 by pperrin@liberdon.com
2020-09-04T20:32:16Z
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@cy @icedquinn @djsumdog Using the tools at your disposal to protect your way of life seems pretty reasonable -- just a shame that the tax parasites who steal your money claiming that they will do this job for you don't do so.
(DIR) Post #9ypgIet3VOZig50sAi by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2020-09-05T01:02:48.698823Z
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@pperrin I am against mandatory masks and I think what's appauling what's happening in the UK and in Melbourne and other places. Cops in Philadelphia were doing this same shit early on. Thankfully they're not doing this in Chicago (that I've seen).So this is one example where I do not like police, but this is also a POLICY issue. There is a whole system: law,/legisletature prosecutors, defence attornies, police, executive. The system here is broken at: legislature. You're going off the rails here. I still don't see the police as the problem here. They're enforcing bad law. If police choose which laws they do and do not enforce, well that has issues too (and yes they do, sometimes when it comes to drugs sometimes race .. and that is its own can of worms).But the issues are complex. Attacking police is the core issue is ignoring a very complex system. And that system can and does change for the better. Why not make the system more better instead of wanting to dismantle it entirely?
(DIR) Post #9yr8OaZvQfJGvXdojQ by pperrin@liberdon.com
2020-09-05T17:52:18Z
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@djsumdog this is not the law. Any one can self certify as having an exemption, and it is illegal to ask what the exemption is based on, let alone ask for proof. The plod in the video has been told the bloke nas an exemption - that should have been the end of the matter.No decent person would join UK plod. Putting 'The Job' above all else means being prepared to lie and cover up what ever the cost... normal decent folk would not accept this.
(DIR) Post #9yr8bTj6DSOrRN4vSa by pperrin@liberdon.com
2020-09-05T17:54:39Z
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@djsumdog ok the main plod is a twat - but what of the others who arrived? A decent cop would have taken him aside, told him he was out of order, and apologised to the victim.The victim needed protection from the first plod... did the other plod provide it?