Post 9wymviaL6InbjguvPE by matt@social.chinwag.org
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(DIR) Post #9wykdf0LTU2fVhLK5I by Twelve@fosstodon.org
2020-07-11T14:19:37Z
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What do you concider the most #secure #messaging and #videoconferencing #software you would use? #askfediverse
(DIR) Post #9wymviaL6InbjguvPE by matt@social.chinwag.org
2020-07-11T14:45:16Z
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@Twelve Signal for me.
(DIR) Post #9wyxfp5SG4EmlP5uVM by thatkiwiguy@coffeehouse.institute
2020-07-11T16:45:36Z
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@Twelve I've heard good things about Zulip. Personally, if I wanted secure, I'd probably got with Nextcloud Talk or Jitsi Meet, self hosted behind something like OpenVPN. That said though, if SSL is enough security for you, then Nextcloud with 2fa, or Jisti Meet may be enough?
(DIR) Post #9wyxlq5LSYmPb4uacS by thatkiwiguy@coffeehouse.institute
2020-07-11T16:46:44Z
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@Twelve I forgot to mention that if security is your prime focus and you're willing to give up videoconferencing, the Briar Project or Sessions might be good alternatives.
(DIR) Post #9wyy8CaSTlCjkw80XY by Twelve@fosstodon.org
2020-07-11T16:50:48Z
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@thatkiwiguyNever heared of zulip, might be an intresting one. I personaly was mainly concidering jitsi, but those i were gonna talk with seems to not think its safe to use duo to lack of proper e2ee and potesualy beeing vounreval to some javascript attacks. Btw, have you ever had any experience with tox by any chance?
(DIR) Post #9wyyCrr6z9FCuH8t7Y by Twelve@fosstodon.org
2020-07-11T16:51:39Z
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@thatkiwiguyI used birari and i do quite like it, just need that vido confrencing. And i haven't paid much atesion to the prodject but last i checked it was android only which may be a problem
(DIR) Post #9wyysfuFnpsY0cXzsW by thatkiwiguy@coffeehouse.institute
2020-07-11T16:59:10Z
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@Twelve I hear ya. I used it for a while, but the lack of file transfer killed it for me. Apparently they should have it done in the 1.3 release, but oh well. What about something simple like SIP? Can't it do E2E? I'm pretty sure you can trunk off most VoIP providers 😁
(DIR) Post #9wyzLkqMWd4pifaqdE by Twelve@fosstodon.org
2020-07-11T17:04:28Z
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@thatkiwiguyNever heared of sip. Intresting. I love hearing about all these options
(DIR) Post #9wyzz0vUfDQCtQiJYO by thatkiwiguy@coffeehouse.institute
2020-07-11T17:11:31Z
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@Twelve so the protocol you're looking for is SIPS (Session Initiation Protocol - Secure). Basically it's the original SIP protocol wrapped in TLS. Combined with a PBX like Asterisk or a VoIP provider, you can use "Soft Phones". For example I use GS Wave, but there are many mobile and desktop applications. Voice, Instant Messages and Video are supported on the protocol as well 👍
(DIR) Post #9wz0OQiXuTUq7emEAy by thatkiwiguy@coffeehouse.institute
2020-07-11T17:16:06Z
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@Twelve I also completely forgot about XMPP/Jabber. Support for encrypted voice, video and messages, federated and a ton of apps available cross platform. It used the XEP Jingle. Worth investigating 👍
(DIR) Post #9wz1eEhGTCo9QdHJuy by Twelve@fosstodon.org
2020-07-11T17:30:12Z
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@thatkiwiguyI defently want to do that, have wanted to try xmpp for a long time now. Just never found a place i wanted to set up my account, but i am starting to concider self hosting it as a decent option
(DIR) Post #9wz4Uw2el8BkpMXahE by Sophie@pleroma.catgirl.biz
2020-07-11T17:49:53.917336Z
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@Twelve @thatkiwiguy I run my own jabber server (prosody) and can offer some help if you need it. Or an account to play around with.
(DIR) Post #9wz4UwRTGs2Q4K9PNI by Twelve@fosstodon.org
2020-07-11T18:02:05Z
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@SophieThank yoi, that be highly apreciated, but first Should probobly repair my pc. Its not booting right@thatkiwiguy
(DIR) Post #9x0mEgyRbVSKbRaz0S by shine@mastodon.technology
2020-07-12T13:46:55Z
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@Twelve for messaging @matrix is the best there is right now.#matrix does natively support #VideoConferencing using #jitsi
(DIR) Post #9x1B86TEuJ0UVSxFkO by tpheine@mstdn.io
2020-07-12T18:25:47Z
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@TwelveSignal or Conversations for me.
(DIR) Post #9x1L3VLM0CjTk3iDCK by Twelve@fosstodon.org
2020-07-12T20:17:06Z
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@tpheineIsn't conversations xmpp client?
(DIR) Post #9x1NKSWVwLDjpL91N2 by tpheine@mstdn.io
2020-07-12T20:42:33Z
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@TwelveYes, it is. And it now supports Encrypted audio and video calls (DTLS-SRTP).https://f-droid.org/app/eu.siacs.conversations
(DIR) Post #9x1dTwy3iVEY7ZZlpo by Twelve@fosstodon.org
2020-07-12T23:43:34Z
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@tpheineCorrect me of i am wrong here, but last time i looked in to xmpp only one on one encrypted conversations were suported with the otr plugin. Is this a diffrent plugging the swrver would run or dose the client do all the work? And for calls do you need a plugin for it? I saw jitsi had one for xmpp.
(DIR) Post #9x2AI0tEbauzIXEe36 by tpheine@mstdn.io
2020-07-13T05:51:09Z
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@TwelveWell, OTR isn't a thing anymore, now it's Omemo. Unfortunately I can not answer the other questions, as I don't have enough contacts to test it.
(DIR) Post #9x2ZulQMXPa9ToIyBs by silkevicious@bikeshed.party
2020-07-13T06:39:54.264414Z
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@tpheine @Twelve AFAIK OMEMO is more a client plugin than a server. Server just need to have some plugins enabled that aren't strictly related to omemo (can't recall XEP numbers ATM).Anyway, i have some group chat (uni friends chat, colleagues chat) here in #xmpp that are fully encrypted.If you have more questions i'm here (or in xmpp, check my profile). 😃
(DIR) Post #9x2ZumpvHrcdrNGtfc by Twelve@fosstodon.org
2020-07-13T10:38:17Z
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@silkeviciousI will look in to iy a bit myselv, thanks for the offer tho. I may have some questions later@tpheine
(DIR) Post #9xYGxxb5OwUnwbAz0C by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2020-07-28T17:36:44Z
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Signal for video callingSelf hosted Jitsi for video conferencingNerd on the Street (NoS) has a tutorial for installing Jitsi on a private server.@Twelve
(DIR) Post #9xYHO1TVbedLV43kY4 by Twelve@fosstodon.org
2020-07-28T17:41:27Z
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@murtezayesil thanks for the tips. I will give that a look as i am prrtty decided on selfhosting a jitsi server at this point.
(DIR) Post #9xYID98WsdPW1yckxE by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2020-07-28T17:50:41Z
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Good thing is Jitsi is light on CPU and RAM. You probably could talk with 10 other people on a server with 1 vCPU and 1GB RAM.It is heavy on bandwidth though, since everybody is uploading video to server and server is sending videos to clients.@Twelve
(DIR) Post #9xYIO6wJOBgKP08bJo by Twelve@fosstodon.org
2020-07-28T17:52:40Z
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@murtezayesilDo you have any idea what roughly it usualy uses? With say idk 5 or 10 people?
(DIR) Post #9xYKxkSmdHHR1iRmTo by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2020-07-28T18:21:31Z
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Someone asked the same question on Jitsi's community forum. Someone else wrote that they could have a good talk with 5 people on a server with 1 vCPU and 0.5GB ram. More people would get kicked when system cannot handle.Less than 15 people video conf should be fine with most affordable VPS tier by Hetzner (~3€/month for 2vCPU, 1GB RAM, unlimited bandwidth speed upto 20TB traffic).@Twelve
(DIR) Post #9xYLPNf50Bx0PuNHyC by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2020-07-28T18:26:31Z
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Someone asked the same question on Jitsi's community forum. Someone else wrote that they could have a good talk with 5 people on a server with 1 vCPU and 0.5GB ram. More people would get kicked when system cannot handle.Less than 15 people video conf should be fine with most affordable VPS tier by Hetzner (~3€/month for 2vCPU, 1GB RAM, unlimited bandwidth speed upto 20TB traffic).https://community.jitsi.org/t/recommended-server-specs-for-2020/32041/18@Twelve
(DIR) Post #9xYNqZaEz5wl7SCmrg by Twelve@fosstodon.org
2020-07-28T18:53:46Z
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@murtezayesilSounds like it should be pretty light, i am not quite ready to set it up quite yet, but i can still prepair
(DIR) Post #9xYOjCaiAforjjTUKe by murtezayesil@fosstodon.org
2020-07-28T19:03:43Z
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- Well, these are my estimates and I could never get everyone in my family to join at the same time to benchmark.- Jitsi is written in Java and it may not be the best language at CPU utilization.- Most important factor seems to be the bandwidth. If you can, go with a VPS provider that doesn't meter the bandwidth.- If not necessary, don't ask people to turn on their cameras. This may help with bandwidth.- Many people will have problem with bandwidth before server does.@Twelve
(DIR) Post #9xYPs0Mf6B2gNQfFuy by Twelve@fosstodon.org
2020-07-28T19:16:30Z
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@murtezayesilI know hwo i usualy ise it webcams usualy will go unused. But screenshearing will most likly. I suspect the connection of a vps privider shoyld be fine enouth. I may test out a little on a temporary system at home to see how things preform