Post 9wUjsKWK0v7IBKedeK by avndp@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #9wQ9EHUmMBFzDsVHXs by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-24T21:39:40Z
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abolish advertising
(DIR) Post #9wRPG6XswUQHHJ08lk by mexesoj446@mastodon.online
2020-06-25T12:12:42Z
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praise adsthe ad-supported web was an amazing outlet for me in my early teens before I started earning. btw here no bank account for me until 18 either. @sir's ideal no-ad CC pay-as-you-go web would've barred me from the only independent information channel.
(DIR) Post #9wRTxwJIl1ta5nKz7A by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-25T13:06:02Z
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@mexesoj446 praise email spamthe unwanted newsletter culture was an amazing way for me to spread the word about my product before I started earning. The ideal no-spam only-the-emails-you-want system would have barred me from the only independent information channel, email
(DIR) Post #9wRWAsSOaxmNoYt7zs by mexesoj446@mastodon.online
2020-06-25T13:30:08Z
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@sir strawmanning is out of vogue for some while now.the email spam I receive is subscription traffic only. self-hosting social media is still prohibitively expensive for me. I regard it as a relatively small price to pay for space on someone else's internet site.
(DIR) Post #9wRWJIvs2nWIF8h2PY by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-25T13:31:58Z
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@mexesoj446 I'm not strawmanning. I'm using an obviously wrong argument with the same justification that you're using to demonstrate the flaw in your reasoning. Your argument is that the ends justifies the means, and no, your shitty teenage blog does not justify the use of ads
(DIR) Post #9wRWogTSZB4aEYMpIe by mexesoj446@mastodon.online
2020-06-25T13:38:06Z
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@sir yes you are and what you called "a foult" in my reasoning is a product of your imagination, you did not even say what it is, a very bad faith move on your part. but you already see me as a sub human because of my age, not too surprised
(DIR) Post #9wRX0Nd6SIZLGPSGUC by p@lol.dydx.moe
2020-06-25T13:41:24.187643Z
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replace it with better search/suggest functionalityI've seen one ad in possibly the last 5 years that I thought "that's actually a neat product". Ads are basically slavery.@sir
(DIR) Post #9wRZelgictMxN3X47s by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-06-25T14:11:02Z
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@p @sir IMO they're more of a brainwashing than slavery, but I agree with the sentiment.
(DIR) Post #9wRZsaBUC4bHkMVivQ by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-06-25T14:13:31Z
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@mexesoj446 @sir You mean if it wasn't for ads, most websites would be behind a paywall?
(DIR) Post #9wRiCB5lzjGLLkh2eW by curlybryce@kawen.space
2020-06-25T14:35:16.927995Z
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@sir I'd rather have some advertising. Tracking is what should be abolished in my opinion. Advertising is good, what has been done with it is not.
(DIR) Post #9wRiCBGlKs3LtppomW by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-25T15:45:57Z
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@curlybryce advertising is not good. It is brain hacking. No one deserves to be manipulated into spending money feeding the capitalist machine.
(DIR) Post #9wRiOKJHY4UJPhnxke by HappyWizard@pl.wizards.zone
2020-06-25T15:48:58.917514Z
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@sir @curlybryce I remember being evaluated for release from psych care and they asked "Do you believe in mind control?" which I paused and responded "No, besides advertising" which made the guy also pause and agree with a laugh
(DIR) Post #9wRsm4qFi3sBvoBrJg by p@lol.dydx.moe
2020-06-25T17:45:19.080778Z
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Have you watched "The Century of the Self"?@wolf480pl
(DIR) Post #9wRtfyWEPBIKXPToJM by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
2020-06-25T17:55:22Z
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@p nope
(DIR) Post #9wRtwFwLOwiFCaSPb6 by p@lol.dydx.moe
2020-06-25T17:58:22.060222Z
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I suggest it.@wolf480pl
(DIR) Post #9wS5GEXjP6d69mfoEy by Niquarl@mastodon.social
2020-06-25T20:02:52Z
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@sir There are actually pretty cool groups around the world opposing ads.In France we have @RAPasso (They even have a peertube instance!)
(DIR) Post #9wTYr3QQnHiyDe81I0 by mexesoj446@mastodon.online
2020-06-26T13:11:25Z
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@wolf480pl @sir I am sure of that.
(DIR) Post #9wUiWorCRT8jwcbCIy by avndp@mastodon.social
2020-06-27T02:33:05Z
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@sir @curlybryce how can one promote a good thing to a vide range of community? For example a new FOS Software? Advertising is the only way I believe.
(DIR) Post #9wUidnhF9hSON8GrOy by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-27T02:34:32Z
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@avndp @curlybryce pull advertising, not push. Post it in places where users go to find out about new things. Appropriate subreddits, hacker news, lobsters, and so on. Use word of mouth, let people *pull* the information. Don't *push* it into people's faces when they didn't ask for it.
(DIR) Post #9wUikaV4cKsBTIoaNk by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-27T02:35:45Z
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@avndp @curlybryce in my case I just announce things on my blog and infrequently cross-post to HN and let word of mouth do the rest, and I seem to have pretty successful projects
(DIR) Post #9wUj3fbhr062oS15Si by avndp@mastodon.social
2020-06-27T02:39:07Z
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@sir @curlybryce I agree with your point to not dump crap at people. However, I feel that cross posting to XYZ also or word of mouth also amounts to advertising, isn't it?
(DIR) Post #9wUjNduzqJ7nMmYyPI by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-27T02:42:01Z
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@avndp @curlybryce aye, but no one is ever talking about it when they talk about advertising.
(DIR) Post #9wUjsKWK0v7IBKedeK by avndp@mastodon.social
2020-06-27T02:48:25Z
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@sir @curlybryce then advertising is good, but not dumping crap and tracking!?
(DIR) Post #9wUlJ5DT7cp2UR9mls by sir@cmpwn.com
2020-06-27T03:03:57Z
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@avndp @curlybryce there is ONE very specific acceptable form of advertising. There are dozens of forms which are not.
(DIR) Post #9wVvfcqnlzPJwNgVpA by topib@mastodon.online
2020-06-27T16:34:37Z
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@sir @curlybryce Capitalism predates consumerism so it's safe to say you're feeding that regardless. In their defense, ads entice resource hoarders to part with their money so the younger generation can get work. Granted, it's an enormously inefficient system (perhaps only rivaled by the US military as an arguably even more inefficient welfare system). There seems no other way for the kids not born into wealth to pull themselves up by the bootstraps short of actually taxing the money itself.