Post 9wIc9AMJIYmvikcfey by niquarl@peertube.social
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(DIR) Post #9w3JkoC6QDmUqnBolU by chriswere@share.tube
2020-06-13T21:19:43.725Z
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In today's video, I share my thoughts on the plans for PeerTube version 3.The PeerTube v3 roadmap: https://joinpeertube.org/roadmap
(DIR) Post #9w3Kp0AZwJ5T6W2YAS by tomato@peertube.co.uk
2020-06-13T21:31:38.328Z
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From what I've been told they're adding the chat stuff In ones they get the live streaming technology off the ground, they're not against live chat they just want to make sure everything works as Intended.
(DIR) Post #9w3LgyLwuSJj6j5sQq by Arco@mamot.fr
2020-06-13T21:41:17Z
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@chriswereI totally agree with your thoughts on the livestream, the fact that no chat has been planned yet is pretty unfortunate. But an implementation/plug-in for an external chatroom shouldn't be impossible to do. They might just didn't thought about the importance of such a tool. It is also possible that because they are a very small team, they just don't have enough time to develop this feature too. Maybe we just need to talk with the devs!@Chocobozzz @peertube @Framasoft
(DIR) Post #9w3ldYqnrs0Tx8YknQ by hanimated.moh@bittube.video
2020-06-14T02:32:01.191Z
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Too bad they don't accept crypto, if they did the fundraiser would have been complete by now.
(DIR) Post #9w45HwMI4WG5fYhYVE by friend@linuxrocks.online
2020-06-14T06:12:17Z
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@chriswereThey explain their reasoning for these steps over here: https://framablog.org/2020/05/26/our-plans-for-peertube-v3-progressive-fundraising-live-streaming-coming-next-fall/And they do point out that this is just a first (big) step towards livestreaming. Implementing chat would just cost quite a bit more.Maybe those plugins could also be used for integrating chat in some fashion...
(DIR) Post #9w4fub1Mw0878UeCh6 by marcg@video.gcfam.net
2020-06-14T13:02:39.119Z
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A great look at the roadmap Chris thank you. Looking forward to the first Podcast chronicles live stream on peertube (-:
(DIR) Post #9w4ggzydS65KR3RtZo by marcg@video.gcfam.net
2020-06-14T13:11:26.813Z
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Wrote this comment before the end of the vid... With no chat that probably wont happen. I would think that as commented below chat will come. Either in the form of a plugin for matrix/irc or in a v3.1 update or something. Streaming the video is first then chat. I'm ok with that.
(DIR) Post #9w5pSZj7LZ8biGLccS by jigme@video.datsemultimedia.com
2020-06-15T02:24:10.063Z
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I'd look closer at the live streaming thing, where you are criticizing their intentions there. This is to bring this option as something as a start of the feature. This is not, "we will not develop these features..." It's "we don't feel we can do this within this time period..." In fact, they indicate that they *intend* to make it something in the future. But... I guess, it's good to criticize something like this, without really looking into it. This is why I donated $100 to them, because really, this works beautifully. Also... If I want to point out, you're indicating it wouldn't be at all working at all. What they're saying is *they* won't develop these features you are complaining won't really work at all. Create a page yourself which has your stream embeded, and chat with whatever chat tool you want.
(DIR) Post #9w5rC6w4p5v1h6gbvk by chriswere@share.tube
2020-06-15T02:43:52.130Z
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@jigme@video.datsemultimedia.com There's no need to be that rude. I'm only saying if they're rolling out streaming without chat, it's not for me or users like me. That's fine, it is what it is, but they listed 'no chat' among the features.On the note of creating a page myself and hosting a chat room. While it's not a problem to implement, I can tell you from experience, people won't it. Unless something like that i offered up as straightforwardly as possible, people just wont use it. This is why UX/UI is so important with these things. I'm hoping to be wrong here, but experience suggests otherwise.
(DIR) Post #9w5sRYlTjmhoIoex60 by jigme@video.datsemultimedia.com
2020-06-15T02:57:44.327Z
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@chriswere@share.tube So it's fine you to criticize PeerTube and misrepresent what they are presenting by simply looking on quick splash summary, without looking at the details, and that's not at all rude at all.But my responding to point this out is rude, and there is no need to do it?You're quite right. There's no real reason for me to be rude, when you're being rude towards the service you are using, and stating you will not contribute to because you don't like something down the road.It's not "good enough" for you. The plugins *could* give chat features. But it wouldn't be developed in this cycle.Pointing this out was apparently "rude".But, you misrepresenting negatively isn't?
(DIR) Post #9w6hROJZgaMDYRHhwW by wolthera@share.tube
2020-06-15T12:29:11.449Z
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The plugin system is proly a little more exciting than it looks. I think one of the problems is that it is something the admin of an instance is primarily concerned with, so it seems abstract for most people. But they're basically like, features that some instances could really use while it would be too much for other instances. So, for example, an instance might have a plugin to have the comments process bbcode instead of markdown (or some other markup language) to format the comments. Or to give everyone who doesn't have an avatar a generated avatar like the monster avatars, or the kitties that david revoy uses for his comment system. Or maybe instead of text comments, just give everyone an oekaki board applet to draw their opinion. Not every peertube instance needs these things, but it might be really useful to shape certain kinds of communities.It is also really useful for people who are supported through paid subscriptions. Instead of putting a whole unique paid subscription system inside peertube, you could make a plugin that talks to patreon (or another system like blender's subscription system) through it's API and displays supporter badges next to the name of commenters who are supporters. And by making this a plugin, there's less fuss about whether or not such a thing should be implemented inside peertube itself.Plugins can also be used to prototype certain things. For example, a whole lot of moderation work isn't just functionality by itself, but also doing things in bulk. Someone could then make a plugin to implement all sorts of convenience features for moderators, which might eventually be integrated into core peertube after it's been battle hardened.And I can think up like, a dozen other niches that plugins could fill. It's pretty much why the big CMS' like wordpress, drupal, etc, have a plugin system (hell, it's why Krita has a plugin system). That being said, I can imagine why they'd take out two months for this. A good API takes a while to design, especially if they themselves are also going to stress-test it by writing a plugin themselves. I suspect they will want to make it... not much easy as straightforward for folks to code a good UI for their plugins, given their choice of the annotations system (Again, a feature not everyone needs, but to say the youtube feature was only used for spam is not truthful either, there were communities that used these for legit purposes).
(DIR) Post #9w6i0wOOydnTNeUgSW by chriswere@share.tube
2020-06-15T12:35:41.598Z
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@jigme@video.datsemultimedia.com You can offer up corrections without implying malice.
(DIR) Post #9w6qlOzTmX091uVBXk by LPS@fosstodon.org
2020-06-15T14:13:25Z
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@chriswere Great video and thanks for promoting the use of FOSS:)Regarding the lack of Chat, as others have already pointed out it seems this will likely arrive in the future just not now, yay for honesty:) If you use OBS, I find this https://invidious.13ad.de/watch?v=j2HzbY8E4yQ very useful. You could easily run a Matrix room on screen to get your live interaction.Finally, I'd remind you that the project needs funding for the fundamentals, so not contributing due to feature "x" is not really a valid reason.
(DIR) Post #9w7Ab7zK8k8KU7o7yy by jigme@video.datsemultimedia.com
2020-06-15T17:55:51.699Z
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@chriswere@share.tube When you say, "you can do x without implying" you really are actually meaning "you can do x without my interpreting". I stated that you didn't do minimal research. And then implied that you felt that this was OK with you.I could be well wrong that it's OK with you for you to not do minimal research. But you either failed to do minimal research (it's right there in front of you the button that takes you to the "we explain a bit more about our reasoning here". I see *nothing* implying malice. I do see statements making it clear you *did* misrepresent what is there, simply by reading something you didn't like, and couldn't really support. But failing to take the time to actually go look at to the "why" which is explained just 1 (maybe 2) clicks away from the page you are looking at.If you see malice, maybe that's because you are projecting your malice on me? I didn't call you rude. I didn't even suggest that you were *being* rude, until you felt that it was important to call *me* rude, and fail to do anything beyond that.Mind you, there's a lot of things I'd *like* to point out, which aren't directly relevant here. But I will point out that your videos make it clear you are far more of a YouTube and Twitch type person, and quite honestly I'm not sure why you want to produce PeerTube only content? Though, I *have* seen a number of people on PeerTube, Mastodon, etcetera, expecting that they can find the same communities with them somehow being miraculously totally different. They either find the same communities, which are working much the same way... Or they find that the communities don't really support them in the same way that they do on the other platforms. Occasionally these criticisms I see are just quietly made, and those often are people who are making personal, "it just didn't work for me." type comments.In your video you mention New Tube, and LBRY. From what I can tell from these platforms is that they are very much Freeze Peach type spaces. Not necessarily that they have the creators *intending* to create a space where hate speech, dangerous misinformation, etcetera exists. But rather that they (I hope) don't understand that providing a free speech space, this is the kinds of content which gets promoted.I was in a Mastodon room where the owner made it clear that it's fine to express disgust about the activities in the room, when that is a *large* part of the purpose of the room, as long as it's not really "disruptive." But if someone dares to call out that it is not really appropriate... Then that becomes "disruptive."This is how communities end up getting taken over by voices which aren't representative of them. Too often people just don't really understand, that "just make everyone happy" often means that this allows those making people *unhappy* to dominate.
(DIR) Post #9w7AgiLcNpYOhStolk by jigme@video.datsemultimedia.com
2020-06-15T17:56:54.921Z
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@LPS@fosstodon.org Many streamers are already doing stuff like that even in spaces like Twitch and YouTube where the chat is on the side of the video player.
(DIR) Post #9wIad0UcLQaztvbs5g by niquarl@peertube.social
2020-06-21T06:09:18.055Z
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Regarding the chat I believe that this is, wether we like it or not, an essential part of livestreaming. Twitch actually uses IRC with added Twitch features like emoticones coins and whatnot. I don't actually like the extra stuff, it mostly just seems like SPAM to me.I think therefore the way to go with a simple chat system would be an embeded IRC web client. You don't even have to have the peertube server be the one hosting the chat but could use another system. I guess, that's not the point with the whole activitypub integration but it would work. Also, do we really want to keep an archived livechat like on Youtube ?
(DIR) Post #9wIbUTmIC5Ru4iNINU by niquarl@peertube.social
2020-06-21T06:19:06.043Z
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@hanimated.moh@bittube.video Actually I think they do accept G1. Thought, not a lot know about it.
(DIR) Post #9wIc9AMJIYmvikcfey by niquarl@peertube.social
2020-06-21T06:26:25.426Z
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As an added note, if you just did an embeded IRC chat then you could have the same chat as on Twitch if you chose to have it on Twitch and Peertube.It's pretty easy to get access to an Twitch chat via an IRC client application.
(DIR) Post #9wIn7aOkc2vJOgDILg by hanimated.moh@bittube.video
2020-06-21T08:29:18.282Z
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@niquarl@peertube.social Never heard of G1, apparently coinmarketcap.com and coingecko.com also have not heard of it.
(DIR) Post #9wJVOOQGmovbA5kSLQ by niquarl@peertube.social
2020-06-21T16:45:27.969Z
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@hanimated.moh@bittube.video I am not suprised it's not very used, in part because you need to be invited by people already on the 'trusted network'. Also, I'm not sure I've ever heard anyone use it outside France. You can fin out more here: https://monnaie-libre.fr/ or https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C4%9E1
(DIR) Post #9wakfIE0Tc8Je6TOcq by Niquarl@mastodon.social
2020-06-30T00:26:40Z
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@chriswere @jigme You know, I was thinking about this when I remembered that some Twitch streamers offer Patreon discord privileges. Basically, they have a a discord room where you can chat if you are a patron. It's added on the video itself so that eveybody can see it without using discord.Of course, I'm not asking for you to use discord but you could always do this I suppose, at least for the time being (better with a matrix room or IRC :blobpeek: ).
(DIR) Post #9wsj7Bz0ZhspKeuc1g by MrRawes@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-08T16:34:16Z
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@chriswere The main barriers to entry are picking A node And discoveribility
(DIR) Post #9wsjrx122b2MWR9fA8 by MrRawes@social.privacytools.io
2020-07-08T16:42:42Z
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@chriswere well mixer has shut down its going to be awesome to have peertube live streams
(DIR) Post #A02JcgcJRzRXrLlH3A by roland@f.haeder.net
2020-10-11T01:07:15Z
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@chriswere You want a conversation with real people, not spam bots.
(DIR) Post #A02L4pMybN3t4GZRaq by roland@f.haeder.net
2020-10-11T01:27:06Z
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And for a proper chat room, maybe invite the already distributed #XMPP to #PeerTube ? I can then join with my address (same as this #Friendica webfinger) in the chat room and don't have to register with yet-another service.